Depression and veganism

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

Nope, but the reverse is well documented. ecologos.organxiety.htmOpen ↗

Laurie

tofubar said:

I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

You are getting the causation arrow backward. They are not depressed because they've "gone 'vegan'".
They went "vegan" because they're depressed, mentally ill people.

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

I believe this depression to be completely unrelated to any vitamin or other deficiency a person may
have (which are still much less common in vegans than in meat-eaters). It stems from the fact that
vegans are generally much more aware of the cruelty to animals (and people) than others. Every time
we have to check ingredients or find the source of one, we are reminded of what takes place at
factory farms and slaughterhouses. Every time we see leather, fur, or other animal-derived
materials, we are reminded of how the animals had to suffer before they were brutally slaughtered.
"Average" people don't associate these products with suffering. These reminders constantly make us
aware of the state of this world and the way we treat the creatures on it, which may result in
depression depending on how the individual can handle this awareness.

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

I think it comes from the standard vegan/ARA personality type rather than from their diet. In case
you haven't noticed, they don't tend to be the most stable of people.

Doc

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

Far more people suffer depression as a result of the Organophosphate pesticide that almost all non-
organic vegetables are saturated with.

And the farmers and the Government still pretend the stuff is harmless and dream up ridiculous
stories to cover up poisoning by the stuff.

Nemo

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

No. Vegans and vegetarians are happier than meat-eaters. Whenever vegans do feel sad, it is because
of anti-vegetarians who favor greater government control to force vegans and animals to cater to
their selfish lifestyle.

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

For clarification: Did the moodiness and depression begin "before* or *after* they went
exclusively vegan?

There seems to be evidence that cutting out animal food might help depression:
celestialhealing.netmentalveg.htmOpen ↗

If your friends really did get more moody and depressed *after* going exclusively vegan, then:

1. Are they getting enough omega3?

Maybe suggest to them that they eat some flax.

So far as I know, there are few *good* *vegan* sources of omega3. Minor vegan sources, yes, but good
vegan sources. One such is flax seed. I regluarly grind flax seeds and dump them in
carrot/celery/pepper juice.

(Even tho I'm not strict vegan, because once a month or so I eat buffalo meat, probably the best
kind of meat.)

2. Are they deficient in B12?

Avoid antibiotics. Take B12 supplements.

Antibiotics kill bacteria that make B12.

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tofubar said:

I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

You are getting the causation arrow backward. They are not depressed because they've "gone
'vegan'". They went "vegan" because they're depressed, mentally ill people.

What a stupid response you pathetic little pixie 🙂 You are compressed not depressed.

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

Nope, but the reverse is well documented. ecologos.organxiety.htmOpen ↗

Laurie

The first line on that page goes; "The short-term effects of fasting on the neuroendocrine system in
patients with chronic pain syndromes.", and then goes on to explain why in a language I simply don't
understand. Does it translate to fasting being beneficial for overweight people suffering chronic
pain? David Blain lost 4 stone in 44 days during his fast; something I could do with, but would such
a fast, even for only a week, diminish chronic pain in your opinion?

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

I believe this depression to be completely unrelated to any vitamin or other deficiency a person
may have (which are still much less common in

vegans

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than in meat-eaters).

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Af act you didn't back up, eh?

It stems from the fact that vegans are generally much more

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aware of the cruelty to animals (and people) than others. Every time we

have to

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check ingredients or find the source of one, we are reminded of what takes

place

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at factory farms and slaughterhouses.

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yet you sanctimoniuosly ignore the death and suffering that brought that product to your plate. Why
is that? You are perfectly capable of causing less death and suffering than you do now by
substituting some of your veggies with the right meats. But, for vegans that's agains't their simple
rule. Simple rules for simple minds.

Every time we see leather, fur, or other

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animal-derived materials, we are reminded of how the animals had to suffer before they were
brutally slaughtered.

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Whenevr I see cotton or pretro-chemical industry based synthetics I think of all the animals that
are far more cruelly killed that those in the slaughterhouses. Guess you conveninetly ignore
those deaths, eh? Why is it that all you think you have to do is not eat, wear, or touch animal
parts and you believe that no animals ever died? Even posting your ignorance on usenet around the
world for all to see is not cruelty free. So, the fact remains, you are not concerned with the
death and suffering of animals, just what it takes to make you feel better about yourself, and
superior to others.

"Average" people don't associate these

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products with suffering.

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Nor should they. It's the same as you never associating animal death and suffering with your
choices. death and suffering which, again, is far more horrible and inhumane than the deaths of
animals in slaughterhouses.

These reminders constantly make us aware of the state

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of this world and the way we treat the creatures on it, which may result

in

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depression depending on how the individual can handle this awareness.

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The only possibility then is that your toatl ignorance of facts keeps you unaware of your bloody
footprints as your traipse around feeling so smug about your idiocy.

on how the individual can handle this awareness.

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tofubar said:

I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

You are getting the causation arrow backward. They are not depressed because they've "gone
'vegan'". They went "vegan" because they're depressed, mentally ill people.

And meat eaters who risk about 30 different parasites, cancer, heart disease, diverticular disease,
obesity etc. are sane???

Pull the other one. It plays Lettuce with a gladsome mind . .

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

No. Vegans and vegetarians are happier than meat-eaters. Whenever vegans do feel sad, it is
because of anti-vegetarians who favor greater government control to force vegans and animals to
cater to their selfish lifestyle.

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ROTFLMAO What a hoot! this is the laugh of the day, killer. The only people here advocating making
others do what they do are the vegans, you ignorant loon! No where has any of us told you what you
have to eat. vegans do that all the time, and would make it the governments fuction to ensure that
diet given the chance. You truly are insane, hypocrite.

Jerry Story said:

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

For clarification: Did the moodiness and depression begin "before* or *after* they went
exclusively vegan?

There seems to be evidence that cutting out animal food might help depression:
celestialhealing.netmentalveg.htmOpen ↗

What specific evidence on that page, hmmm? There are only two actual citations offered and neither
deals with depression. Indeed, there's really not much on that page which deals with the issue of
depression -- clinical or otherwise -- other than some unsubstantiated conjecture.

Explain this one for us:

A vegetarian diet produces higher levels of behavior than a diet containing meat when all
types of caloric intake are equal.

WTF does "higher levels of behavior" mean?

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If your friends really did get more moody and depressed *after* going exclusively vegan, then:

1. Are they getting enough omega3?

Maybe suggest to them that they eat some flax.

So far as I know, there are few *good* *vegan* sources of omega3. Minor vegan sources, yes, but
good vegan sources. One such is flax seed. I regluarly grind flax seeds and dump them in
carrot/celery/pepper juice.

Another underlying cause of depression is anemia. It's quite possible this person's diet is very low
in iron. Some leafy greens have a lot of iron. Meat, too, has iron, and it may be more bioavailable
for some people.

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(Even tho I'm not strict vegan, because once a month or so I eat buffalo meat, probably the best
kind of meat.)

Sorry, Charlie, but that pretty much DQs you from being any kind of vegetarian, much less a "vegan."
"Strict vegan" is redundant. Regardless, your diet regularly contains meat. You're an omnivore. Stop
pretending you're "vegan" in any form.

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2. Are they deficient in B12?

Avoid antibiotics. Take B12 supplements.

Antibiotics kill bacteria that make B12.

Where do you get this gem? Your body already lacks the bacteria that make B12, unless you're an
alien or some kind of mutant. Antibiotics are beneficial for infections. B12 is required by the body
all the time. You shouldn't be dispensing medical advice unless you have a freaking clue what you're
talking about.

After they went vegan, but she probably isn't getting enough Omega3 from what I've seen her eat,
I'll tell her about that. Thanks.

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

Nope, but the reverse is well documented. ecologos.organxiety.htmOpen ↗

Laurie

The first line on that page goes; "The short-term effects of fasting on the neuroendocrine system
in patients with chronic pain syndromes.", and then goes on to explain why in a language I simply
don't understand. Does it translate to fasting being beneficial for overweight people suffering
chronic pain? David Blain lost 4 stone in 44 days during his fast; something I could do with, but
would such a fast, even for only a week, diminish chronic pain in your opinion?

Non sequitur. No-one's talking about fasting.

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And meat eaters who risk about 30 different parasites, cancer, heart disease, diverticular
disease, obesity etc. are sane???

Consumers of organic produce are also at risk of parasitic infection, e coli infection, etc.
Nature's a real [censored], huh.

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ROTFLMAO What a hoot!

I can hardly wait until you get your first heart attack. I will jump for joy when you suffer and
drop dead! It will be hilarious for the medical staff to laugh at you and tell you that they don't
have to be told by YOU what to do.

You anti-vegetarians force meat on your kids. You force it on people in public schools and
universities and government. Your advertising is forced in our face everywhere.

And you force YOUR beliefs and YOUR behaviors on animals by forcing THEM to do what you want --
suffer and die in a cage -- for your trivial little lust for burgers.

Throwing you in prison for the rest of your life, or leaving you to die if you get a heart attack or
stroke, is the ONLY way to get your type to get this point through your heads.

tofubar said:

After they went vegan, but she probably isn't getting enough Omega3 from what I've seen her eat,
I'll tell her about that. Thanks.

Also check for anemia. That's a far more likely culprit for moodiness in someone who's made
significant dietary changes.

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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if they take vitamins, seem
more moody and depressed. Has anyone else noticed this?

No. Vegans and vegetarians are happier than meat-eaters. Whenever vegans do feel sad, it is
because of anti-vegetarians who favor greater government control to force vegans and animals to
cater to their selfish lifestyle.

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ROTFLMAO What a hoot! this is the laugh of the day, killer. The only people here advocating making
others do what they do are the vegans, you ignorant loon! No where has any of us told you what you
have to eat. vegans do that all the time, and would make it the governments fuction to ensure that
diet given the chance. You

truly

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are insane, hypocrite.

Very old propaganda technique: repeat a set of lies vehemently and often enough and people might
believe it. Doesn't work on here though. Neither does replying with, "I'm not the one doing that.
It's exactly what you're doing though."

At the risk of causing you to commit suicide, I must break the devastatingly shocking news to you
that on here there are many people who are mush more intelligent that yourself and know a damned
sight more about nutrition, food toxicology and ethics than you do.

How much are the Meat Trades Association paying you and do they realise that they are wasting
their money?!