Diabetes Prevention Tips from local newspaper?

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The local newspaper here in NJ had an article on how to avoid diabetes
for those with pre-diabetes. And here are the tips, which I think most
of us here would find quite remarkable:

1 Eat more foods that are broiled and fewer foods that are fried.

2 Cut back on the amount of butter used in cooking

3 Eat fish and chicken more, and only eat lean cuts of beef

4 Eat more meatless meals, or re-orient meals so that the dinner has
more vegetables, fruit and starches and less meat

Source for the tips was attributed to Joslin Diabetes Center

I'm not a diabetic, but from what I know about the disease, I find this
very strange, particularly #4, which advocates replacing protein with
starch?

That advice will be sure to lower the number of diabetics in the local
population...

If they kill them off, it will lower the amount of taxes paid out to
support them. :-(

Sick [censored]!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Quoted message said:

The local newspaper here in NJ had an article on how to avoid diabetes
for those with pre-diabetes. And here are the tips, which I think most
of us here would find quite remarkable:

1 Eat more foods that are broiled and fewer foods that are fried.

2 Cut back on the amount of butter used in cooking

3 Eat fish and chicken more, and only eat lean cuts of beef

4 Eat more meatless meals, or re-orient meals so that the dinner has
more vegetables, fruit and starches and less meat

Source for the tips was attributed to Joslin Diabetes Center

I'm not a diabetic, but from what I know about the disease, I find this
very strange, particularly #4, which advocates replacing protein with
starch?

That is the line from the Amerian Diabetes Association. Blame
everything but the carbs. Blame the fat,blame the salt, blame the lack
of exercise, blame the obesity, but don't you dare even suggest that
carbs have anything to do with diabetes.

http://www.diabetes.org/support-the-cause/our-national-corporate-sponsors.jsp

quote:

The American Diabetes Association applauds corporate America's support
of ADA's mission to prevent and cure diabetes and to improve the lives
of all people affected by diabetes. The following national corporate
sponsors are currently helping ADA work toward these important goals.

Abbott Diabetes Care
Abbott Laboratories, Inc.
Allison Medical Foods (Ensavor)
ARAMARK Corporation
AstraZenca
Aventis Pharmaceuticals
Bally Total Fitness Corporation
Bayer HealthCare, Diagnostics Division
BD Medical Diabetes Care
Birds Eye Foods
Blue Moon Licensing, LLC (Blue Moon Pizza)
Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
Cadbury Schweppes -- America's Beverage
Colgate Palmolive Company
Day-Timers, Inc.
Eli Lilly and Company
Etonic Athletic Worldwide
General Mills, Inc.
GlaxoSmithKline Pharmaceuticals
Gold's Gym International, Inc.
Innovative Candy Concepts
Johnson & Johnson
Johnson Publishing Company, EBONY
Jones Soda Company
Kraft Foods
Lifescan, Inc., a Johnson & Johnson Co.
Magnet America
MBNA America Bank, NA
McNeil Nutritionals
Medtronic MiniMed
MedWise, Inc.
Merck & Co., Inc.
Merisant U.S., Inc.
Nestlé USA, Inc.
Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corporation
Novo Nordisk Pharmaceuticals
Ocean Spray Cranberries, Inc.
People Weekly Magazine
Performance Bicycles, Inc.
Pfizer Inc
Rite Aid Corporation
Roche Diagnostics Corporation
Safeway Inc.
Sanofi-Aventis, Inc.
Solo Licensing LLC
Specialty Brands of America
Takeda Pharmaceuticals North America, Inc.
TIAA-CREF
Wyeth Pharmaceuticals

**********

These guys give to the ADA for a reason:

ARAMARK Corporation
Birds Eye Foods
Blue Moon Licensing, LLC (Blue Moon Pizza)
Cadbury Schweppes -- America's Beverage
General Mills, Inc.
Innovative Candy Concepts
Jones Soda Company
Kraft Foods
Nestlé USA, Inc.
Ocean Spray Cranberries, Inc.
Safeway Inc.
Specialty Brands of America

TC

[email hidden] wrote:
:> The local newspaper here in NJ had an article on how to avoid
:> diabetes for those with pre-diabetes. And here are the tips, which
:> I think most of us here would find quite remarkable:
:>
:> 1 Eat more foods that are broiled and fewer foods that are fried.
:>
:> 2 Cut back on the amount of butter used in cooking
:>
:> 3 Eat fish and chicken more, and only eat lean cuts of beef
:>
:> 4 Eat more meatless meals, or re-orient meals so that the dinner has
:> more vegetables, fruit and starches and less meat
:>
:> Source for the tips was attributed to Joslin Diabetes Center
:>
:> I'm not a diabetic, but from what I know about the disease, I find
:> this very strange, particularly #4, which advocates replacing
:> protein with starch?

Yes, you are quite right. They seem to be blame fat in the diet on causing
diabetes, probably thinking that eating less fat means eating fewer
calories, which leads to weight loss. But for a pre-diabetic, who is likely
very insulin resistant already, this advice will lead to problems (mostly
number 4). Did they not even mention regular exercise?

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Quoted message said:

4 Eat more meatless meals, or re-orient meals so that the dinner has
more vegetables, fruit and starches and less meat

Source for the tips was attributed to Joslin Diabetes Center

I'm not a diabetic, but from what I know about the disease, I find this
very strange, particularly #4, which advocates replacing protein with
starch?

It says replace meat, not replace protein, it also says more vegetables and
fruit.
Here is a link to their actual nutritional guidelines which calls for 20-30%
of calories from protein:
http://joslin.org/Files/Nutrition_ClinGuide.pdf

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No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

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:> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:>> 4 Eat more meatless meals, or re-orient meals so that the dinner has
:>> more vegetables, fruit and starches and less meat
:>>
:>> Source for the tips was attributed to Joslin Diabetes Center
:>>
:>> I'm not a diabetic, but from what I know about the disease, I find
:>> this very strange, particularly #4, which advocates replacing
:>> protein with starch?
:>
:>
:> It says replace meat, not replace protein, it also says more
:> vegetables and fruit.
:> Here is a link to their actual nutritional guidelines which calls
:> for 20-30% of calories from protein:
:> http://joslin.org/Files/Nutrition_ClinGuide.pdf

What's the problem with meat?

:>
:> --
:> No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

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Roger Zoul said:

None Given <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:>> 4 Eat more meatless meals, or re-orient meals so that the dinner has
:>> more vegetables, fruit and starches and less meat
:>>
:>> Source for the tips was attributed to Joslin Diabetes Center
:>>
:>> I'm not a diabetic, but from what I know about the disease, I find
:>> this very strange, particularly #4, which advocates replacing
:>> protein with starch?
:>
:>
:> It says replace meat, not replace protein, it also says more
:> vegetables and fruit.
:> Here is a link to their actual nutritional guidelines which calls
:> for 20-30% of calories from protein:
:> http://joslin.org/Files/Nutrition_ClinGuide.pdf

What's the problem with meat?

That's what I'd like to know......

Considering it's one of the best sources of B-vitamins and trace
minerals.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Quoted message said:

The local newspaper here in NJ had an article on how to avoid diabetes
for those with pre-diabetes. And here are the tips, which I think most
of us here would find quite remarkable:

1 Eat more foods that are broiled and fewer foods that are fried.

2 Cut back on the amount of butter used in cooking

3 Eat fish and chicken more, and only eat lean cuts of beef

4 Eat more meatless meals, or re-orient meals so that the dinner has
more vegetables, fruit and starches and less meat

Source for the tips was attributed to Joslin Diabetes Center

I'm not a diabetic, but from what I know about the disease, I find this
very strange, particularly #4, which advocates replacing protein with
starch?

Interesting connections:

Joslin Clinical Oversight Committee

James Rosenzweig, MD - Chairperson
Richard Beaser, MD
Elizabeth Blair, MS, CS-ANP, CDE
Patty Bonsignore, MS, RN, CDE
Amy Campbell, MS, RD, CDE
Cathy Carver, ANP, CDE
Jerry Cavallerano, OD, PhD
Sonya Celeste-Harris, MSN, RN
Om Ganda, MD
John W. Hare, MD
LuAnn Kimker, MSN, RN
Lori Laffel, MD, MPH
William Petit, MD
Evan Rosen, MD
Kristi Silver, MD
Susan Sjostrom, JD
Kenneth Snow, MD
Robert Stanton, MD
William Sullivan, MD
Howard Wolpert, MD
Martin Abrahamson, MD (ex officio)

Richard S. Beaser, M.D., Assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine,
Harvard Medical School, Medical Executive Director, Joslin Diabetes
Center, Boston, MA. Consultant to Amgen Inc., Amylin Pharmaceuticals,
Inc., and Wyeth Pharmaceuticals; member of the speakers' bureaus for
Aventis Pharmaceuticals and Wyeth Pharmaceuticals.
(http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/3743_authors; accessed 7/28/05)

Om P. Ganda, M.D., Associate Clinical Professor of Medicine, Harvard
Medical School, Director, Joslin Diabetes Center Lipid Clinic, Boston,
MA. Received research support from KOS Pharmaceuticals, Inc.;
consultant to Merck & Co., Pfizer Inc, and Takeda Pharmaceuticals North
America, Inc.; member of the speakers' bureaus for GlaxoSmithKline,
KOS Pharmaceuticals, Inc., Merck & Co., Pfizer Inc, and Takeda
Pharmaceuticals North America, Inc.
(http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/3743_authors; accessed 7/28/05)

Martin J. Abrahamson, M.D., Associate Professor, Harvard Medical
School, Boston, MA. Acting Chief Medical Officer, Joslin Diabetes
Center, Boston, MA. Receives research grants from Pfizer Inc.; member
of the speaker's bureaus for AstraZeneca Pharmaceuticals LP, Aventis
Pharmaceuticals, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Eli Lilly and Company,
GlaxoSmithKline, Merck & Co., Novo Nordisk, Novartis, Pfizer Inc, and
Takeda Pharmaceuticals North America.
(http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/3942_authors; accessed 7/28/05)

TC

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Quoted message said:

The local newspaper here in NJ had an article on how to avoid diabetes
for those with pre-diabetes. And here are the tips, which I think most
of us here would find quite remarkable:

1 Eat more foods that are broiled and fewer foods that are fried.

2 Cut back on the amount of butter used in cooking

3 Eat fish and chicken more, and only eat lean cuts of beef

4 Eat more meatless meals, or re-orient meals so that the dinner has
more vegetables, fruit and starches and less meat

Source for the tips was attributed to Joslin Diabetes Center

I'm not a diabetic, but from what I know about the disease, I find this
very strange, particularly #4, which advocates replacing protein with
starch?

The ADA relies on cereal grain and sugar producers along with big pharma
for almost all of its funding.

No starch, no sugar, no type 2 diabetes, no drugs sold to treat it.

Susan

"It says replace meat, not replace protein, it also says more
vegetables and
fruit. "

They said to replace meat with vegetables, fruit and starch didn't
they? Any reasonable approach to that would in fact replace protein in
the meat with at least some starch. And since they didn't make it any
more specific, one could easily get there by replacing a steak with
rice or a potato. That's replacing protein and fat with starch.

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The local newspaper here in NJ had an article on how to avoid diabetes
for those with pre-diabetes. And here are the tips, which I think most
of us here would find quite remarkable:

1 Eat more foods that are broiled and fewer foods that are fried.

2 Cut back on the amount of butter used in cooking

3 Eat fish and chicken more, and only eat lean cuts of beef

4 Eat more meatless meals, or re-orient meals so that the dinner has
more vegetables, fruit and starches and less meat

Source for the tips was attributed to Joslin Diabetes Center

I'm not a diabetic, but from what I know about the disease, I find this
very strange, particularly #4, which advocates replacing protein with
starch?
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Wow. It's just too bad that this kind of stuff keeps being put in print.
I'm pre-diabetic and I'm totally low carb. I've dropped my A1c to 5.3 and I
intend to keep it there as long as I can.

Craig

"Did they not even mention regular exercise?"

Yes, the article did talk about excercise. The food tips were in a box
within the article and highlighted.

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<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
The local newspaper here in NJ had an article on how to avoid diabetes
for those with pre-diabetes. And here are the tips, which I think most
of us here would find quite remarkable:

1 Eat more foods that are broiled and fewer foods that are fried.

2 Cut back on the amount of butter used in cooking

3 Eat fish and chicken more, and only eat lean cuts of beef

4 Eat more meatless meals, or re-orient meals so that the dinner has
more vegetables, fruit and starches and less meat

Source for the tips was attributed to Joslin Diabetes Center

I'm not a diabetic, but from what I know about the disease, I find this
very strange, particularly #4, which advocates replacing protein with
starch?
_____________________

Wow. It's just too bad that this kind of stuff keeps being put in print.
I'm pre-diabetic and I'm totally low carb. I've dropped my A1c to 5.3 and
I
intend to keep it there as long as I can.

Good for you. Some recent support for that POV:
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/16

Nicky.

--
A1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
95/74/72Kg

[email hidden] wrote:
:: "Did they not even mention regular exercise?"
::
:: Yes, the article did talk about excercise. The food tips were in a
:: box within the article and highlighted.

Depending on who you are (diabetes manifests differently in different
folks), a higher level of carbs can be tolerated if one gets plenty of
regular exercise. But that is highly dependent on the person. I think for
many prediabetics eating too many carbs will outweigh the benefits of
exercise.