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  1. http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/dicing-with-death--warning-on-
    cyclists/2007/03/03/1172868811879.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/yww3pb

    ---------------------------------------

    AN ALARMING increase in the number of cyclists dying on the state's
    roads has prompted a new warning for drivers to be more alert.

    Latest Transport Accident Commission figures show one rider is killed
    every month in Victoria and one seriously injured every day.

    Fourteen cyclists died in crashes last year =3F more than double the
    fatalities in 2005 =3F and two have died so far this year.

    The state's top traffic cop, Assistant Commissioner Noel Ashby, said
    drivers often did not see a cyclist until it was too late.

    Mr Ashby said drivers were to blame for half the 14 deaths last year.

    "Without doubt, the issue for cyclists is visibility," he said.

    "The majority of those killed have simply not been seen.

    "It is no good drivers saying cyclists shouldn't use the roads, that's
    just not going to happen. It's

    a matter of sharing the roads and sharing them safely."

    Mr Ashby stressed the importance of cyclists wearing helmets. "There is
    a significant blase factor where people just simply don't accept they
    will be involved in road trauma."

    TAC senior manager for road safety David Healy said drivers should stay
    at least a metre away from cyclists.

    "The car driver has to understand the vulnerability of a cyclist just as
    hopefully they would a child by the side of the road," Mr Healy said.

    A small minority of motorists might think cyclists did not have the
    right to be on the roads, but there was no evidence of any increase in
    aggressive driver behaviour towards cyclists, Mr Healy said.

    "From the point of view of the cyclist, it only takes one in every 1000
    cars to pass too close or pass at speed to colour a perception about
    their safety and the attitudes of motorists towards them," he said.

    Mr Healy said some cyclists were still not wearing helmets.

    "There is no doubt helmets protect you from head injury. Cyclists are
    placing themselves at much greater risk by not wearing them," he said.

    Bicycle Victoria president Harry Barber said a particular concern for
    cyclists was drivers being distracted when using mobile phones.

    "The mobile phone user is the new drink driver," Mr Barber said.

    "The things that riders get wrong is that they ride at night without
    lights and they go through red lights.

    "But the things that drivers do to threaten riders' safety is mobile
    phone use. We've had riders killed by people not just on the phone but
    sending SMS text messages."

    Mr Barber said there was less aggression towards riders on the roads
    today because more people were out cycling and it had become more
    acceptable, but some drivers continued to bully riders with their cars.

    Police agreed to release details of cyclist deaths over the past 14
    months to The Sunday Age to highlight the need for motorists to take
    care when driving near riders.

    This year's fatalities included a 31-year-old from Kew, who was hit when
    riding on Heidelberg Road, Clifton Hill, at 1pm. He died a day later.

    A woman, 28, from Elwood, died from injuries sustained when she fell
    from her bike in front of a car at Kilsyth. She had been riding along
    Canterbury Road when she hit some rough bitumen and lost her balance.

    Last year's fatalities included Scott Peoples, 20, a champion cyclist
    with a dream of competing in the Tour de France, who was hit on December
    15 by a four-wheel-drive in central Victoria.

    Peoples had just won a scholarship from the Victorian Institute of Sport
    when a Nissan Patrol struck his bike on the Maroondah Highway at Merton.

    The toll
    Fourteen cyclists died in accidents in Victoria last year. Two have died
    so far this year.
    =3F January 2007: Man, 31, hit by a car in Clifton Hill. Woman, 28, dies
    after falling off bike in front of a car in Kilsyth.

    =3F December 2006: Competitor Scott Peoples, 20, hit by car on Maroondah
    Highway at Merton. Man, 48, dies after being found in Balwyn.

    =3F October: Man, 59, crashes into another rider on Princes Highway at
    Little River.

    =3F September: Man, 45, hit by car in St Albans. Man, 23, hit by car in
    Kings Way, South Melbourne.

    =3F August: Man, 73, falls from bike on Plunketts Road, Wodonga.

    =3F July: Man, 39, hit on Pascoe Vale Road, Essendon. Man, 51, hit in
    Springvale.

    =3F June: Boy, 11, hit on Princes Way at Drouin.

    =3F May: Man, 33, hit at South Morang.

    =3F April: Man, 41, hit at Eagle Hawk. Woman, 29, hit in Epping.

    =3F March: Man, 64, hit in Echuca. Boy, 13, hit at Braybrook.

    --
    Flaps

  2. flaps said:


    Mr Healy said some cyclists were still not wearing helmets.

    "There is no doubt helmets protect you from head injury. Cyclists are
    placing themselves at much greater risk by not wearing them," he said.

    SNIP

    Quoted message said:

    Bicycle Victoria president Harry Barber said a particular concern for
    cyclists was drivers being distracted when using mobile phones.

    "The mobile phone user is the new drink driver," Mr Barber said.

    Did anyone notice on the story about commuting in Canberra on Cycling
    Central today the woman cycling through the lights with no helmet and
    cycling one-handed while talking on the mobile phone.

    DaveB

  3. DaveB said:


    Did anyone notice on the story about commuting in Canberra on Cycling
    Central today the woman cycling through the lights with no helmet and
    cycling one-handed while talking on the mobile phone.

    "someone" just uploaded the torrent onto teh Interweebs...

    I'll take a screen shot of said talker and post a linky 😉

  4. gplama said:

    "someone" just uploaded the torrent onto teh Interweebs...

    I'll take a screen shot of said talker and post a linky 😉

    Here we go:

    tinyurl.com38vzko

    well spotted DaveB!

  5. flaps said:


    The state's top traffic cop, Assistant Commissioner Noel Ashby, said
    drivers often did not see a cyclist until it was too late.

    Mr Ashby said drivers were to blame for half the 14 deaths last year.

    "Without doubt, the issue for cyclists is visibility," he said.

    "The majority of those killed have simply not been seen.

    "It is no good drivers saying cyclists shouldn't use the roads, that's
    just not going to happen. It's a matter of sharing the roads and sharing them safely."

    Well I certainly can't disagree with that, although someone (possibly the ALP party whip) should be also informing Roads Minister Tim Pallas of that fact too....

    Although other mitigating factors for this tragic increase are overlooked in the article - including the upsurge in actual cyclist participation rates.

  6. gplama said:

    Here we go:

    tinyurl.com38vzko

    well spotted DaveB!


    good one Dave.....

    it also look like she ( and the guy in blue helmet), are cycling across the Ped. crossing, not an intersection, although it may be a drive way access to something (School, College, Uni?).
    I didnt see the segment , was it about this type of thing or some other point, and did they have any comment on it..?

  7. DaveB said:

    Did anyone notice on the story about commuting in Canberra on Cycling
    Central today the woman cycling through the lights with no helmet and
    cycling one-handed while talking on the mobile phone.

    DaveB

    Missed that, will have another look.
    Sometimes it seems like 50% of Canberra commuters do't wear helmets.
    Admittedly, I go past the ANU which possibly skew things.

    They also featured the Stephen Hodge designed Stromlo Crit Circuit.
    Love that place.
    My riding has gone to another level racing there every Tuesday.
    Repetition and opportunity to learn energy management.

  8. rooman said:

    it also look like she ( and the guy in blue helmet), are cycling across
    the Ped. crossing, not an intersection, although it may be a drive way

    I think that's where the shared path crosses Northbourne Ave.

    http://www.whereis.com/whereis/retrieveEmailMap.do?linkId=-7594826989884901106

  9. On 2007-03-04, gplama (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:


    gplama said:

    "someone" just uploaded the torrent onto teh Interweebs...

    I'll take a screen shot of said talker and post a linky 😉

    Here we go:

    http://tinyurl.com/38vzko

    well spotted DaveB!

    Gosh, and no doubt pedaling in the wrong gear too.

    I just got me a set top box, and despite the rabbit ears antenna, and
    digital's all-or-nothing reception, I now get perfect SBS and ABC
    (which is all that counts anyway) reception. W00t! Alas, no channel
    31 up here, and I'd doubt they'd be digital anyway.

    --
    TimC
    As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.

  10. Quoted post said:

    31 up here, and I'd doubt they'd be digital anyway.

    They aren't unfortunately. I have to dig out my old telly to get my sooty park fix.

  11. flaps said:

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/dicing-with-death--warning-on-
    cyclists/2007/03/03/1172868811879.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/yww3pb

    ---------------------------------------

    Even one cyclists death is unacceptable but it is worth looking at
    this another way in 2003 there were 23 cyclist killed in Australia
    compared with 8600 who died from diseases related to physical
    inactivity.

    Bicycle Tim

  12. On Mar 4, 10:09 pm, gplama <gplama.2mx...@no-

    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:
    gplama said:

    "someone" just uploaded the torrent onto teh Interweebs...

    Quoted message said:

    I'll take a screen shot of said talker and post a linky 😉

    Here we go:

    http://tinyurl.com/38vzko

    well spotted DaveB!

    --
    gplama

    pffft ... surely such behaviour is commonplace in Europe (i.e.
    Amsterdam)?

  13. On Mar 4, 9:09 pm, gplama <gplama.2mx...@no-

    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:
    gplama said:

    "someone" just uploaded the torrent onto teh Interweebs...

    Quoted message said:

    I'll take a screen shot of said talker and post a linky 😉

    Here we go:

    http://tinyurl.com/38vzko

    well spotted DaveB!

    --
    gplama

    Hmm, university town ... foreign students ... what goes at home must
    go here, no? Compulsory cycling classes before getting riding licence?

    Donga

  14. In aus.bicycle on 4 Mar 2007 13:40:56 -0800

    Quoted message said:


    Even one cyclists death is unacceptable but it is worth looking at
    this another way in 2003 there were 23 cyclist killed in Australia
    compared with 8600 who died from diseases related to physical
    inactivity.

    How many cyclists are there, compared to people who are physically
    inactive?

    Zebee

  15. Two on road cycling deaths this past week in NZ during a week of cycling awareness activities..

    both struck from behind and in a country where the road use code is quite specific on motorists keeping clear and waiting until safe to pass...

    "The New Zealand Rode Code reminds motorists that many vehicles are smaller and slower than today’s cars. It calls for special care around cyclists, who will always come off worse in a crash, and instructs motorists to leave a minimum gap of 1.5 metres when overtaking cyclists, and more on the open road. It also emphasises that if a cyclist can’t be overtaken safely, the motorist must wait behind until it is safe to do so, just as with any other slower vehicle."

  16. In aus.bicycle on Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:42:24 +1100

    rooman said:


    Two on road cycling deaths this past week in NZ during a week of cycling
    awareness activities..

    both struck from behind and in a country where the road use code is
    quite specific on motorists keeping clear and waiting until safe to
    pass...

    There's clearly a problem between expectations and law....

    Drivers swear at trucks but cope because a slow truck is too big to
    get round. They get progressively more angry at being held up the
    smaller the offending vehicle is...

    LOoked at as a human psychology problem, rather than a legal or moral
    one, what's the answer?

    Is it possible to use modern advertising techniques to instill the
    idea that altough smaller and slower, bicycles have a right to be
    there?

    Or is that too big an ask, and it should be approached differently,
    perhaps appealing to protective instincts, or to the driver's skill
    level?

    IN the end, have to battle selfishness, and as the whole
    bicycles-running-red-lights problem shows, selfishness is a powerful
    incentive.

    I can't think of any way to harness driver selfishness in order to
    make things safer for cyclists.

    Zebee

  17. Zebee Johnstone said:

    In aus.bicycle on Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:42:24 +1100

    rooman said:


    Two on road cycling deaths this past week in NZ during a week of cycling
    awareness activities..

    both struck from behind and in a country where the road use code is
    quite specific on motorists keeping clear and waiting until safe to
    pass...

    There's clearly a problem between expectations and law....

    Drivers swear at trucks but cope because a slow truck is too big to
    get round. They get progressively more angry at being held up the
    smaller the offending vehicle is...

    LOoked at as a human psychology problem, rather than a legal or moral
    one, what's the answer?

    Is it possible to use modern advertising techniques to instill the
    idea that altough smaller and slower, bicycles have a right to be
    there?

    Or is that too big an ask, and it should be approached differently,
    perhaps appealing to protective instincts, or to the driver's skill
    level?

    IN the end, have to battle selfishness, and as the whole
    bicycles-running-red-lights problem shows, selfishness is a powerful
    incentive.

    I can't think of any way to harness driver selfishness in order to
    make things safer for cyclists.

    Zebee

    that's why Forester says vehicular cycling is the only way riders fair best.

  18. Zebee Johnstone said:

    Is it possible to use modern advertising techniques to instill the
    idea that altough smaller and slower, bicycles have a right to be
    there?

    I think there is nothing wrong with the "advertising" effect of senior
    inspector plod making a visit to the chief editor/manager of newspapers,
    radio, tv stations and passing on a "share the road " message every time
    they print sensationalist [censored] that encourages road rage.

    Would be rather interesting to see SIP drive home the point by
    inspecting every MV owned by the company as it tried to leave the office
    car park.

  19. Zebee Johnstone said:

    Drivers swear at trucks but cope because a slow truck is too big to
    get round. They get progressively more angry at being held up the
    smaller the offending vehicle is...

    I don't think that's it. I think it's more a "might is right" attitude.
    They see a big truck capable of pushing them off the road and think
    twice about any actions that might anger the driver. In 15 years on the
    motorbike I've only been abused by two drivers, for what i would assume
    is the same reason - fear of the consequences. So it's not the smaller
    the vehicle, it's the less intimidating the vehicle and operator package.

    How many cyclists in bunch rides on Beach Rd get abused by motorists?
    I'd assume very few because a single motorist would keep their mouth
    shut, but if you're out cycling alone the opposite applies.

    DaveB

  20. On 2007-03-05, Zebee Johnstone (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    In aus.bicycle on Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:42:24 +1100

    rooman said:


    Two on road cycling deaths this past week in NZ during a week of cycling
    awareness activities..

    both struck from behind and in a country where the road use code is
    quite specific on motorists keeping clear and waiting until safe to
    pass...

    There's clearly a problem between expectations and law....

    Drivers swear at trucks but cope because a slow truck is too big to
    get round. They get progressively more angry at being held up the
    smaller the offending vehicle is...

    LOoked at as a human psychology problem, rather than a legal or moral
    one, what's the answer?

    Bazookers. Rear mounted bazookers, and a rearward looking camera to
    aid in aiming.

    Quoted message said:

    Or is that too big an ask, and it should be approached differently,
    perhaps appealing to protective instincts, or to the driver's skill
    level?

    Don't want to be bazookered? Steer clear.

    Quoted message said:

    I can't think of any way to harness driver selfishness in order to
    make things safer for cyclists.

    I can.

    --
    TimC
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