Dig this..

Wrong impression---
I was eating virtually no wheat/gluten before - not really possible on
<20g/day

Guess what?

Wheat products and milk have never been low carb.

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"MartB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I've been trying faithfully to lose using low carb (<20g per day) for over
a
year and no luck.
After 18 months I was still the same weight.
I started to believe that it was horses for courses, and that LC wasn't
for
everyone.

So, I tried something I did 20 years ago and it seems to be working.
I continued my LC diet, but also religiously dropped all wheat/gluten from
my diet, AND all dairy.

Guess what? I've started to lose slowly but regularly.
But, any sniff of either gluten/wheat/dairy immediately causes me to
stall,
and sometimes gain.
The amount of food I eat doesn't seem to come into play on this one -
within
reason of course.
So, maybe there's something in food intolerance after all?

Martin

Milk isn't, but other dairy products are, such as many cheeses.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Guess what?

Wheat products and milk have never been low carb.

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Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

"MartB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I've been trying faithfully to lose using low carb (<20g per day) for over
a
year and no luck.
After 18 months I was still the same weight.
I started to believe that it was horses for courses, and that LC wasn't
for
everyone.

So, I tried something I did 20 years ago and it seems to be working.
I continued my LC diet, but also religiously dropped all wheat/gluten from
my diet, AND all dairy.

Guess what? I've started to lose slowly but regularly.
But, any sniff of either gluten/wheat/dairy immediately causes me to
stall,
and sometimes gain.
The amount of food I eat doesn't seem to come into play on this one -
within
reason of course.
So, maybe there's something in food intolerance after all?

Martin

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

In article <[email hidden]>,

MartB said:

I've been trying faithfully to lose using low carb (<20g per day) for over a
year and no luck.

Martin, why did you stay so low for so long? That might be part of the
problem.

Quoted message said:

After 18 months I was still the same weight.
I started to believe that it was horses for courses, and that LC wasn't for
everyone.

So, I tried something I did 20 years ago and it seems to be working.
I continued my LC diet, but also religiously dropped all wheat/gluten from
my diet, AND all dairy.

How exactly did you fit any wheat/gluten into 20 grams carb/day?

Quoted message said:

Guess what? I've started to lose slowly but regularly.
But, any sniff of either gluten/wheat/dairy immediately causes me to stall,
and sometimes gain.
The amount of food I eat doesn't seem to come into play on this one - within
reason of course.
So, maybe there's something in food intolerance after all?

Priscilla

--
Sacred cows make the best burgers.

In article <[email hidden]>,

MartB said:

I've been trying faithfully to lose using low carb (<20g per day) for over a
year and no luck.

Martin, why did you stay so low for so long? That might be part of the
problem.

Quoted message said:

After 18 months I was still the same weight.
I started to believe that it was horses for courses, and that LC wasn't for
everyone.

So, I tried something I did 20 years ago and it seems to be working.
I continued my LC diet, but also religiously dropped all wheat/gluten from
my diet, AND all dairy.

How exactly did you fit any wheat/gluten into 20 grams carb/day?

Quoted message said:

Guess what? I've started to lose slowly but regularly.
But, any sniff of either gluten/wheat/dairy immediately causes me to stall,
and sometimes gain.
The amount of food I eat doesn't seem to come into play on this one - within
reason of course.
So, maybe there's something in food intolerance after all?

Priscilla

--
Sacred cows make the best burgers.

In article <[email hidden]>,

MartB said:

Wrong impression---
I was eating virtually no wheat/gluten before - not really possible on
<20g/day

Then how did you eliminate what you weren't eating?

Priscilla

--
Sacred cows make the best burgers.

In article <[email hidden]>,

MartB said:

Wrong impression---
I was eating virtually no wheat/gluten before - not really possible on
<20g/day

Then how did you eliminate what you weren't eating?

Priscilla

--
Sacred cows make the best burgers.

Milk - it's around 5g per 100ml, so it can be fitted into a low-carb diet if
the dieter isn't drinking too much of it and if the dieter isn't aiming to
do induction.

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Guess what?

Wheat products and milk have never been low carb.

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breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

"MartB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I've been trying faithfully to lose using low carb (<20g per day) for

over

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a
year and no luck.
After 18 months I was still the same weight.
I started to believe that it was horses for courses, and that LC wasn't
for
everyone.

So, I tried something I did 20 years ago and it seems to be working.
I continued my LC diet, but also religiously dropped all wheat/gluten

from

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my diet, AND all dairy.

Guess what? I've started to lose slowly but regularly.
But, any sniff of either gluten/wheat/dairy immediately causes me to
stall,
and sometimes gain.
The amount of food I eat doesn't seem to come into play on this one -
within
reason of course.
So, maybe there's something in food intolerance after all?

Martin

Thanks for agreeing with me.

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"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Milk isn't, but other dairy products are, such as many cheeses.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Guess what?

Wheat products and milk have never been low carb.

--
Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

"MartB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I've been trying faithfully to lose using low carb (<20g per day) for
over
a
year and no luck.
After 18 months I was still the same weight.
I started to believe that it was horses for courses, and that LC wasn't
for
everyone.

So, I tried something I did 20 years ago and it seems to be working.
I continued my LC diet, but also religiously dropped all wheat/gluten
from
my diet, AND all dairy.

Guess what? I've started to lose slowly but regularly.
But, any sniff of either gluten/wheat/dairy immediately causes me to
stall,
and sometimes gain.
The amount of food I eat doesn't seem to come into play on this one -
within
reason of course.
So, maybe there's something in food intolerance after all?

Martin

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Milk is comprised of a majority of carbs. Equivocation paves the road to
obesity.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Ada Ma" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Milk - it's around 5g per 100ml, so it can be fitted into a low-carb diet
if
the dieter isn't drinking too much of it and if the dieter isn't aiming to
do induction.

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Guess what?

Wheat products and milk have never been low carb.

--
Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

"MartB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I've been trying faithfully to lose using low carb (<20g per day) for

over

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a
year and no luck.
After 18 months I was still the same weight.
I started to believe that it was horses for courses, and that LC wasn't
for
everyone.

So, I tried something I did 20 years ago and it seems to be working.
I continued my LC diet, but also religiously dropped all wheat/gluten

from

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my diet, AND all dairy.

Guess what? I've started to lose slowly but regularly.
But, any sniff of either gluten/wheat/dairy immediately causes me to
stall,
and sometimes gain.
The amount of food I eat doesn't seem to come into play on this one -
within
reason of course.
So, maybe there's something in food intolerance after all?

Martin

What's more important - learning to eat a diet that is low in carb or
learning to eat a diet of low carb food? I believe it's the former because
it means that it makes one live comfortably even when surrounded by all
kinds of food. The con is, though, is more temptations lead to more
failures.

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Milk is comprised of a majority of carbs. Equivocation paves the road to
obesity.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Ada Ma" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Milk - it's around 5g per 100ml, so it can be fitted into a low-carb

diet

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

if
the dieter isn't drinking too much of it and if the dieter isn't aiming

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

do induction.

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Guess what?

Wheat products and milk have never been low carb.

--
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"MartB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I've been trying faithfully to lose using low carb (<20g per day) for

over

Quoted message said:

> a
> year and no luck.
> After 18 months I was still the same weight.
> I started to believe that it was horses for courses, and that LC

wasn't

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> for
> everyone.
>
> So, I tried something I did 20 years ago and it seems to be working.
> I continued my LC diet, but also religiously dropped all wheat/gluten

from

Quoted message said:

> my diet, AND all dairy.
>
> Guess what? I've started to lose slowly but regularly.
> But, any sniff of either gluten/wheat/dairy immediately causes me to
> stall,
> and sometimes gain.
> The amount of food I eat doesn't seem to come into play on this one -
> within
> reason of course.
> So, maybe there's something in food intolerance after all?
>
> Martin

The latter is more important, especially if one is already overweight.

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"Ada Ma" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

What's more important - learning to eat a diet that is low in carb or
learning to eat a diet of low carb food? I believe it's the former
because
it means that it makes one live comfortably even when surrounded by all
kinds of food. The con is, though, is more temptations lead to more
failures.

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Milk is comprised of a majority of carbs. Equivocation paves the road to
obesity.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Ada Ma" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Milk - it's around 5g per 100ml, so it can be fitted into a low-carb

diet

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

if
the dieter isn't drinking too much of it and if the dieter isn't aiming

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

do induction.

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Guess what?
>
> Wheat products and milk have never been low carb.
>
> --
> Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
> breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen
>
>
> "MartB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > I've been trying faithfully to lose using low carb (<20g per day)
> > for
over
> > a
> > year and no luck.
> > After 18 months I was still the same weight.
> > I started to believe that it was horses for courses, and that LC

wasn't

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > for
> > everyone.
> >
> > So, I tried something I did 20 years ago and it seems to be working.
> > I continued my LC diet, but also religiously dropped all
> > wheat/gluten
from
> > my diet, AND all dairy.
> >
> > Guess what? I've started to lose slowly but regularly.
> > But, any sniff of either gluten/wheat/dairy immediately causes me to
> > stall,
> > and sometimes gain.
> > The amount of food I eat doesn't seem to come into play on this
> > one -
> > within
> > reason of course.
> > So, maybe there's something in food intolerance after all?
> >
> > Martin

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Milk is comprised of a majority of carbs.

So is broccoli. Maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I stopped eating broccoli.
;o)

Quoted message said:

Equivocation paves the road to
obesity.

Lack of common sense paves the road to idiocy. The percentage of carbs in
a particular food is only one factor in losing weight, and not the most
important factor. Brocolli and pasta both have a higher percentage of
carbs than fat or protein, yet a cup of brocolli has far fewer total carbs.
The total number of carbs is more important, and calories are most
important. The majority of the time, your statements about which
particular foods are or are not low-carb is beyond unhelpful. I can see it
now:

Poster: "I eat nothing but 10 pounds of meat a day, plus a cup of coffee
with a tablespoon of milk in it. Why can't I lose weight?"

JC: "Because milk is not low-carb."

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Guess what?

Wheat products and milk have never been low carb.

1/2 cup of cottage cheese is 4 grams carb. I mix about a quarter cup
in with a vegetable/chicken breast thing I make to add a creaminess,
then don't have to add mayo which has a lot more calories. I also use
mayo and butter sparingly. I agree though, too much dairy is not a
good thing.

Wheat products are the devil's spawn.

:
: 1/2 cup of cottage cheese is 4 grams carb. I mix about a quarter cup
: in with a vegetable/chicken breast thing I make to add a creaminess,
: then don't have to add mayo which has a lot more calories. I also use
: mayo and butter sparingly. I agree though, too much dairy is not a
: good thing.

Have you ever noticed how much added sugar is in many containers of cottage
cheese? Why do the manufacturers think they have to pump sugar in it?

Pat in TX

Is that why you have trouble losing fat and I don't? Keep lying to yourself,
maybe someday that'll start working for you.

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"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Milk is comprised of a majority of carbs.

So is broccoli. Maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I stopped eating broccoli.
;o)

Quoted message said:

Equivocation paves the road to
obesity.

Lack of common sense paves the road to idiocy. The percentage of carbs in
a particular food is only one factor in losing weight, and not the most
important factor. Brocolli and pasta both have a higher percentage of
carbs than fat or protein, yet a cup of brocolli has far fewer total
carbs.
The total number of carbs is more important, and calories are most
important. The majority of the time, your statements about which
particular foods are or are not low-carb is beyond unhelpful. I can see
it
now:

Poster: "I eat nothing but 10 pounds of meat a day, plus a cup of coffee
with a tablespoon of milk in it. Why can't I lose weight?"

JC: "Because milk is not low-carb."

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

There you have it.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

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Quoted message said:

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Guess what?

Wheat products and milk have never been low carb.

1/2 cup of cottage cheese is 4 grams carb. I mix about a quarter cup
in with a vegetable/chicken breast thing I make to add a creaminess,
then don't have to add mayo which has a lot more calories. I also use
mayo and butter sparingly. I agree though, too much dairy is not a
good thing.

Wheat products are the devil's spawn.

No, I have trouble losing when I eat too much and don't exercise enough.
Blaming the tablespoon of milk in my coffee while ignoring the huge
hamburger patty with cheese _and_ bacon _and_ mayo (but no bun) would be
lying to myself.

That's why statements like "milk is not low carb" aren't helpful. It's
ignoring the bigger picture.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Is that why you have trouble losing fat and I don't? Keep lying to yourself,
maybe someday that'll start working for you.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Milk is comprised of a majority of carbs.

So is broccoli. Maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I stopped eating broccoli.
;o)

Quoted message said:

Equivocation paves the road to
obesity.

Lack of common sense paves the road to idiocy. The percentage of carbs in
a particular food is only one factor in losing weight, and not the most
important factor. Brocolli and pasta both have a higher percentage of
carbs than fat or protein, yet a cup of brocolli has far fewer total
carbs.
The total number of carbs is more important, and calories are most
important. The majority of the time, your statements about which
particular foods are or are not low-carb is beyond unhelpful. I can see
it
now:

Poster: "I eat nothing but 10 pounds of meat a day, plus a cup of coffee
with a tablespoon of milk in it. Why can't I lose weight?"

JC: "Because milk is not low-carb."

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Just a reminder

JC Der Koenig said:

Guess what?

Wheat products and milk have never been low carb.