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  1. "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Your list hits most of my favorites. One other thing it makes is a
    quick
    and tasty stew. The meat is done during the cooking time of the
    vegetables. Dusted with flour and seasonings, browned, and tossed
    into the
    pot along with potatoes, carrots, onion, celery, whatever, and some
    beef
    broth

    Mmm that sounds nice🙂 I have my son and a friend coming to stay for
    the weekend so I have made a huge Shepherd's pie for Saturday because I
    don't know what time they will be coming. Well I have made the meat
    part, I will do the potatoes today.

    Half a shoulder of lamb cut up and cubed
    4 onions
    3 large carrots
    Mushroom ketchup
    flour

    Onions and meat brown slowly carrots added
    About 3 spoons of flour stirred in well and then hot water added with
    plenty of mushroom ketchup.

    It was hard not to have it for dinner last night🙂)

  2. "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    For those reading that might not have come across this yet....


    Milk gravy is white sauce without the butter. In gravy, the roux is
    made of any fat *except* butter. In white sauce, the roux is *only*
    made with butter. With milk gravy, make the roux and add milk
    instead
    of adding broth.

    I recently found that out but I am very pleased to see you have done
    this🙂) thank you and please do it with anything else you feel is
    appropriate🙂)

  3. "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    For those reading that might not have come across this yet....


    Milk gravy is white sauce without the butter. In gravy, the roux is
    made of any fat *except* butter. In white sauce, the roux is *only*
    made with butter. With milk gravy, make the roux and add milk
    instead
    of adding broth.

    I recently found that out but I am very pleased to see you have done
    this🙂) thank you and please do it with anything else you feel is
    appropriate🙂)

  4. On Thu 17 Nov 2005 03:43:41a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Ophelia?

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
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    Your list hits most of my favorites. One other thing it makes is a
    quick and tasty stew. The meat is done during the cooking time of the
    vegetables. Dusted with flour and seasonings, browned, and tossed
    into the
    pot along with potatoes, carrots, onion, celery, whatever, and some
    beef broth

    Mmm that sounds nice🙂 I have my son and a friend coming to stay for
    the weekend so I have made a huge Shepherd's pie for Saturday because I
    don't know what time they will be coming. Well I have made the meat
    part, I will do the potatoes today.

    Half a shoulder of lamb cut up and cubed
    4 onions
    3 large carrots
    Mushroom ketchup
    flour

    Onions and meat brown slowly carrots added
    About 3 spoons of flour stirred in well and then hot water added with
    plenty of mushroom ketchup.

    It was hard not to have it for dinner last night🙂)

    Such willpower! :-) That's a lovely comfort meal, and I know your son and
    his friend will enjoy it. I brought back some mushroom ketchup a couple of
    times when I was in England, but I've never seen it for sale in the US.
    What would I use instead?

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  5. "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Thu 17 Nov 2005 03:43:41a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
    Ophelia?

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    >
    Your list hits most of my favorites. One other thing it makes is a
    quick and tasty stew. The meat is done during the cooking time of
    the
    vegetables. Dusted with flour and seasonings, browned, and tossed
    into the
    pot along with potatoes, carrots, onion, celery, whatever, and some
    beef broth

    Mmm that sounds nice🙂 I have my son and a friend coming to stay for
    the weekend so I have made a huge Shepherd's pie for Saturday because
    I
    don't know what time they will be coming. Well I have made the meat
    part, I will do the potatoes today.

    Half a shoulder of lamb cut up and cubed
    4 onions
    3 large carrots
    Mushroom ketchup
    flour

    Onions and meat brown slowly carrots added
    About 3 spoons of flour stirred in well and then hot water added with
    plenty of mushroom ketchup.

    It was hard not to have it for dinner last night🙂)

    Such willpower! :-) That's a lovely comfort meal, and I know your son
    and
    his friend will enjoy it. I brought back some mushroom ketchup a
    couple of
    times when I was in England, but I've never seen it for sale in the
    US.
    What would I use instead?

    Hmmm.. there isn't really a substitute but if I ran out I would use
    Worcestershire sauce

  6. On Thu 17 Nov 2005 07:41:36a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Ophelia?

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu 17 Nov 2005 03:43:41a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
    Ophelia?

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >>
    > Your list hits most of my favorites. One other thing it makes is a
    > quick and tasty stew. The meat is done during the cooking time of
    > the vegetables. Dusted with flour and seasonings, browned, and
    > tossed into the
    > pot along with potatoes, carrots, onion, celery, whatever, and some
    > beef broth

    Mmm that sounds nice🙂 I have my son and a friend coming to stay for
    the weekend so I have made a huge Shepherd's pie for Saturday because
    I
    don't know what time they will be coming. Well I have made the meat
    part, I will do the potatoes today.

    Half a shoulder of lamb cut up and cubed
    4 onions
    3 large carrots
    Mushroom ketchup
    flour

    Onions and meat brown slowly carrots added
    About 3 spoons of flour stirred in well and then hot water added with
    plenty of mushroom ketchup.

    It was hard not to have it for dinner last night🙂)

    Such willpower! :-) That's a lovely comfort meal, and I know your son
    and his friend will enjoy it. I brought back some mushroom ketchup a
    couple of
    times when I was in England, but I've never seen it for sale in the
    US.
    What would I use instead?

    Hmmm.. there isn't really a substitute but if I ran out I would use
    Worcestershire sauce

    Lea & Perrins, the most prevalent brand of Worcestershire sauce in the US,
    also makes a steak sauce based on their WS. That might do better. I'm due
    for a good lamb dinner. Haven't had lamb for a while.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  7. "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Thu 17 Nov 2005 07:41:36a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
    Ophelia?

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu 17 Nov 2005 03:43:41a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
    Ophelia?

    >
    > "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >>>
    >> Your list hits most of my favorites. One other thing it makes is
    >> a
    >> quick and tasty stew. The meat is done during the cooking time of
    >> the vegetables. Dusted with flour and seasonings, browned, and
    >> tossed into the
    >> pot along with potatoes, carrots, onion, celery, whatever, and
    >> some
    >> beef broth
    >
    > Mmm that sounds nice🙂 I have my son and a friend coming to stay
    > for
    > the weekend so I have made a huge Shepherd's pie for Saturday
    > because
    > I
    > don't know what time they will be coming. Well I have made the
    > meat
    > part, I will do the potatoes today.
    >
    > Half a shoulder of lamb cut up and cubed
    > 4 onions
    > 3 large carrots
    > Mushroom ketchup
    > flour
    >
    > Onions and meat brown slowly carrots added
    > About 3 spoons of flour stirred in well and then hot water added
    > with
    > plenty of mushroom ketchup.
    >
    > It was hard not to have it for dinner last night🙂)

    Such willpower! :-) That's a lovely comfort meal, and I know your
    son
    and his friend will enjoy it. I brought back some mushroom ketchup
    a
    couple of
    times when I was in England, but I've never seen it for sale in the
    US.
    What would I use instead?

    Hmmm.. there isn't really a substitute but if I ran out I would use
    Worcestershire sauce

    Lea & Perrins, the most prevalent brand of Worcestershire sauce in the
    US,
    also makes a steak sauce based on their WS. That might do better.
    I'm due
    for a good lamb dinner. Haven't had lamb for a while.

    Lea & Perrins is what I use too🙂

  8. On Thu 17 Nov 2005 07:53:29a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Ophelia?

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    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu 17 Nov 2005 07:41:36a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
    Ophelia?

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > On Thu 17 Nov 2005 03:43:41a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
    > Ophelia?
    >
    >>
    >> "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>
    >>> Your list hits most of my favorites. One other thing it makes is
    >>> a quick and tasty stew. The meat is done during the cooking time
    >>> of the vegetables. Dusted with flour and seasonings, browned, and
    >>> tossed into the
    >>> pot along with potatoes, carrots, onion, celery, whatever, and
    >>> some beef broth
    >>
    >> Mmm that sounds nice🙂 I have my son and a friend coming to stay
    >> for the weekend so I have made a huge Shepherd's pie for Saturday
    >> because I
    >> don't know what time they will be coming. Well I have made the
    >> meat part, I will do the potatoes today.
    >>
    >> Half a shoulder of lamb cut up and cubed
    >> 4 onions
    >> 3 large carrots
    >> Mushroom ketchup flour
    >>
    >> Onions and meat brown slowly carrots added
    >> About 3 spoons of flour stirred in well and then hot water added
    >> with plenty of mushroom ketchup.
    >>
    >> It was hard not to have it for dinner last night🙂)
    >
    > Such willpower! :-) That's a lovely comfort meal, and I know your
    > son and his friend will enjoy it. I brought back some mushroom
    > ketchup a couple of
    > times when I was in England, but I've never seen it for sale in the
    > US.
    > What would I use instead?

    Hmmm.. there isn't really a substitute but if I ran out I would use
    Worcestershire sauce

    Lea & Perrins, the most prevalent brand of Worcestershire sauce in the
    US,
    also makes a steak sauce based on their WS. That might do better.
    I'm due
    for a good lamb dinner. Haven't had lamb for a while.

    Lea & Perrins is what I use too🙂

    We have other brands of WS, Heinz for example, and some store brands, but I
    think they pale by comparison.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  9. "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu 17 Nov 2005 07:53:29a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
    Ophelia?

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu 17 Nov 2005 07:41:36a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
    Ophelia?

    >
    > "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> On Thu 17 Nov 2005 03:43:41a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
    >> Ophelia?
    >>
    >>>
    >>> "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>
    >>>> Your list hits most of my favorites. One other thing it makes
    >>>> is
    >>>> a quick and tasty stew. The meat is done during the cooking
    >>>> time
    >>>> of the vegetables. Dusted with flour and seasonings, browned,
    >>>> and
    >>>> tossed into the
    >>>> pot along with potatoes, carrots, onion, celery, whatever, and
    >>>> some beef broth
    >>>
    >>> Mmm that sounds nice🙂 I have my son and a friend coming to stay
    >>> for the weekend so I have made a huge Shepherd's pie for Saturday
    >>> because I
    >>> don't know what time they will be coming. Well I have made the
    >>> meat part, I will do the potatoes today.
    >>>
    >>> Half a shoulder of lamb cut up and cubed
    >>> 4 onions
    >>> 3 large carrots
    >>> Mushroom ketchup flour
    >>>
    >>> Onions and meat brown slowly carrots added
    >>> About 3 spoons of flour stirred in well and then hot water added
    >>> with plenty of mushroom ketchup.
    >>>
    >>> It was hard not to have it for dinner last night🙂)
    >>
    >> Such willpower! :-) That's a lovely comfort meal, and I know your
    >> son and his friend will enjoy it. I brought back some mushroom
    >> ketchup a couple of
    >> times when I was in England, but I've never seen it for sale in
    >> the
    >> US.
    >> What would I use instead?
    >
    > Hmmm.. there isn't really a substitute but if I ran out I would use
    > Worcestershire sauce

    Lea & Perrins, the most prevalent brand of Worcestershire sauce in
    the
    US,
    also makes a steak sauce based on their WS. That might do better.
    I'm due
    for a good lamb dinner. Haven't had lamb for a while.

    Lea & Perrins is what I use too🙂

    We have other brands of WS, Heinz for example, and some store brands,
    but I
    think they pale by comparison.

    Oh.. I don't think I have ever seen any other brands

  10. Quoted message said:

    Bought some cube steaks (not tube steaks Sheldon 😉 I'll fry them chicken
    style and serve with some onion gravy which I'll make

    After reading your post here yesterday, I was on the phone with my wife
    and she was at the grocery store. She asked me what I wanted for
    dinner and I blurted out "cubed steak and onion gravy!". She was a
    little surprised as I cannot recall ever having made cubed steak, but
    she picked up a package for me. I put the steak in flour, then in a
    mixture I found online (egg, milk, salt, baking powder, maybe 1 other
    ingredient), then in flour again, then into a frying pan full of hot
    olive oil. The instant onion gravy in a sauce pan along side. Man,
    was it good! I had a bowl of Ore-Ida instant mashed potato on the
    side. A nice dinner. I felt very southern (which shouldn't be a
    surprise since I've lived in Georgia for 10 years).

    Thanks for the suggestion, Michael!!

    Mike

  11. Quoted message said:

    Bought some cube steaks (not tube steaks Sheldon 😉 I'll fry them chicken
    style and serve with some onion gravy which I'll make

    After reading your post here yesterday, I was on the phone with my wife
    and she was at the grocery store. She asked me what I wanted for
    dinner and I blurted out "cubed steak and onion gravy!". She was a
    little surprised as I cannot recall ever having made cubed steak, but
    she picked up a package for me. I put the steak in flour, then in a
    mixture I found online (egg, milk, salt, baking powder, maybe 1 other
    ingredient), then in flour again, then into a frying pan full of hot
    olive oil. The instant onion gravy in a sauce pan along side. Man,
    was it good! I had a bowl of Ore-Ida instant mashed potato on the
    side. A nice dinner. I felt very southern (which shouldn't be a
    surprise since I've lived in Georgia for 10 years).

    Thanks for the suggestion, Michael!!

    Mike

  12. "Mike" <[email hidden]> looking for trouble wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bought some cube steaks (not tube steaks Sheldon 😉 I'll fry them
    chicken style and serve with some onion gravy which I'll make

    After reading your post here yesterday, I was on the phone with my
    wife and she was at the grocery store. She asked me what I wanted for
    dinner and I blurted out "cubed steak and onion gravy!". She was a
    little surprised as I cannot recall ever having made cubed steak, but
    she picked up a package for me. I put the steak in flour, then in a
    mixture I found online (egg, milk, salt, baking powder, maybe 1 other
    ingredient), then in flour again, then into a frying pan full of hot
    olive oil. The instant onion gravy in a sauce pan along side. Man,
    was it good! I had a bowl of Ore-Ida instant mashed potato on the
    side. A nice dinner. I felt very southern (which shouldn't be a
    surprise since I've lived in Georgia for 10 years).

    Thanks for the suggestion, Michael!!

    Mike

    Wowser!!! sounds like you had a great dinner. I have since found out that
    the cubed steak at Dierberg's is actually round steak. I can cut and pound
    the round steak myself. OTOH, I got them on sale for an okay price 😉

    Your dinner sounds great to me. I'm trying to decide on chow for tonight.

    Michael <- thinking pasta with some tilapia or something

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  13. Damsel in dis Dress said:
    Joseph Littleshoes said:
    Damsel in dis Dress said:

    On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:12:29 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Bought some cube steaks. I'll fry them chicken
    >style and serve with some onion gravy which I'll make.

    How do you make your onion gravy? If there are ways of making


    gravy

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    without meat drippings, Crash'll be a happy camper.

    Is butter acceptable? making a roux of butter & seasoned flour & milk

    Quoted message said:

    for a simple white sauce? or saute finely chopped onions and garlic


    in

    Quoted message said:

    the butter before adding the seasoned flour & milk.

    Yeah! What a great idea! And what tastes better than butter?

    Quoted message said:

    Is this 'Crash" person a vegitarian? cause a good chicken gravey is


    not

    Quoted message said:

    something to be shunned. I have used canola oil to make a roux and if

    Quoted message said:

    enough other seasoning are used it is acceptable.

    This Crash person is my SO. We've been together 10 years now. He
    doesn't want his real name used online. Nope, he's a carnivore.
    Making some chicken soup for him tonight.

    Thanks for the delicious-sounding idea!

    Your very welcome, of course, and i have another suggestion but i wonder
    what your SO has against gravy made with meat drippings? Sometimes too
    much schmaltz or other fat is used in a gravy and the gravy tastes
    'greasy' and one bad experience can be enough to put some people off the
    subject all together.

    But any way as you like the idea of a white sauce or milk gravy flavored
    with onions have you heard of 'bread sauce'? it is an old English recipe

    Bread sauce
    ----------------
    To 2 & 1/4 cups boiling milk add 3 ounces fresh white bread crumbs, a
    good pinch of salt, a small onion stuck with a clove and 1 ounce of
    butter.

    Allow to cook very gently for 15 minutes then remove the onion. Make
    the sauce smooth by beating it with a whisk and finish by adding 1/2 cup
    cream.
    ------------------------

    as a variation finely mince the onion and sauté in the butter then add
    both to the boiling milk and bread crumbs, add a pinch of sage (or to
    taste) to the above for a sage and onion bread sauce.

    Here are a number of other sauces you might be interested in

    celery sauce

    caper sauce

    Albert sauce (flavored with horseradish)

    Aromatic sauce (herbs)

    Fennel sauce

    Fried bread sauce (with ham)

    Onion sauce

    Oyster sauce

    Parsley sauce

    Port wine sauce

    Roebuck sauce

    sage and onion sauce

    Scotch egg sauce

    Shrimp sauce

    Yorkshire sauce

    The list could be extended with cold sauces and various special sauces
    usually made for particular recipes such as sauce tartare or sauce verte
    but which can be used with any dishes depending on how one likes the
    combination of the sauce with any particular recipe, i am rather fond
    of hollandaise with scrambled eggs, and often times during asparagus
    season make extra hollandaise just so i can have it with eggs the next
    morning. Sauce moutarde a la creme -- mustard and cream sauce is
    another favorite of mine.
    ----
    JL

    Quoted message said:

    Carol
    --
    Wash away the gray to respond.

  14. Mike said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bought some cube steaks (not tube steaks Sheldon 😉 I'll fry them


    chicken

    Quoted message said:

    style and serve with some onion gravy which I'll make

    After reading your post here yesterday, I was on the phone with my
    wife
    and she was at the grocery store. She asked me what I wanted for
    dinner and I blurted out "cubed steak and onion gravy!". She was a
    little surprised as I cannot recall ever having made cubed steak, but
    she picked up a package for me. I put the steak in flour, then in a
    mixture I found online (egg, milk, salt, baking powder, maybe 1 other
    ingredient), then in flour again, then into a frying pan full of hot
    olive oil. The instant onion gravy in a sauce pan along side. Man,
    was it good! I had a bowl of Ore-Ida instant mashed potato on the
    side. A nice dinner. I felt very southern (which shouldn't be a
    surprise since I've lived in Georgia for 10 years).

    Thanks for the suggestion, Michael!!

    Mike

    Chicken fried steak is one of my favourite dishes, with mashed potatoes
    and chicken gravy and a side of peas. I limit myself to once a month
    cause there was a time i would have it 2 or 3 times a day every day,
    either making it myself or ordering it at a favourite road side dinner
    in Oregon, i have yet to find a restaurant version of it in California
    that is worth eating.

    Just to stir up a bit of controversy, i prefer to use the commercial
    flavoured bread crumbs rather than seasoned flour to coat the meat with,
    and i use just beaten egg yolk instead of a whole beaten egg, i find it
    makes a thicker, firmer coating, and i like the flavours of the various
    herbs and spices and grated cheese in the bread crumbs.

    While our local butcher will run the meat through that machine for free
    i prefer to purchase a nice sirloin and pound it with my meat mallet.

    Sometimes when i entertain i do the Austrian version of it (Wiener
    Schnitzel) with veal, marinating the gently pounded veal in lemon juice
    then dipped in egg and flour then in bread crumbs, let rest and then
    sauté in lard and garnish with lemon wedges and served with anchovy
    butter on the side.

    A Rahm Schnitzel with mushrooms and cream is very nice also.
    ---
    JL

  15. Joseph Littleshoes said:

    Your very welcome, of course, and i have another suggestion but i wonder
    what your SO has against gravy made with meat drippings?

    He *lives* for gravy made with meat drippings. It's just that we
    don't always have meat drippings to use. We usually get meat that's
    pretty lean, and lean meat does not a gravy make. So I was just
    interested in ways of making "gravy" that is probably more a sauce
    than a gravy.

    Thanks for the ideas you posted. I *will* keep them and try them.

    Tonight's dinner ... chicken and dumplings

    Carol
    --
    Wash away the gray to respond.

  16. Damsel in dis Dress said:
    Joseph Littleshoes said:

    Your very welcome, of course, and i have another suggestion but i


    wonder

    Quoted message said:

    what your SO has against gravy made with meat drippings?

    He *lives* for gravy made with meat drippings. It's just that we
    don't always have meat drippings to use. We usually get meat that's
    pretty lean, and lean meat does not a gravy make. So I was just
    interested in ways of making "gravy" that is probably more a sauce
    than a gravy.

    Ah! I see now, if you lightly flour your meats and cook in oil or butter
    then when you remove the meat add a bit of wine or stock or milk to the
    remaining butter or oil that has been flavoured by the meat and you will
    have a nice sauce.

    If you do not want to flour your meats just sauté in the butter or oil
    and then when meat is removed add a bit of flour to the remaining butter
    or oil and form a roux then add liquid. Even a simple wine reduction
    sauce can be very nice, just cook the meat, deglaze the pan with wine
    and add a bit of butter if desired to slightly thicken, egg yolk can be
    used the same way but is more tricky.

    Roasted meats can be done the same way. And braising or boiling meats
    can have their braising liquid turned into a nice sauce or gravy.

    IMO the practical difference between a sauce and a gravy is in the
    amount made, usually gravy is made in large amounts and a sauce in a
    smaller amount. Personally i think it is one of those linguistic
    differences between Europe and America, certain sauces are thinner than
    an American gravy but that is not always the case. And i suppose
    strictly speaking (see below) a gravy is made with meat juices while a
    sauce can be meatless.

    A dictionary definition of gravy is "a sauce of the fat and juices from
    cooked meat, often thickened and seasoned" from the old French 'grane'
    meaning anything used in cookery and derived from the Latin 'granatus'
    "full of grains".

    Sauce "any preparation eaten as a gravy or as a liquid or semiliquid
    relish accompanying food". From the latin 'salsus' to salt.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the ideas you posted. I *will* keep them and try them.

    Let me know if you would like any specific instructions for any of the
    sauces mentioned.
    ---
    JL

    Quoted message said:

    Tonight's dinner ... chicken and dumplings

    Carol
    --
    Wash away the gray to respond.

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Damsel in dis Dress said:
    Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:

    Bought some cube steaks. I'll fry them chicken
    style and serve with some onion gravy which I'll make.

    How do you make your onion gravy? If there are ways of making gravy
    without meat drippings, Crash'll be a happy camper.

    There's always canned or the packets. I haven't used them in decades,
    but they might be better than nothing.

    Next week is Thanksgiving here in the US. Most of us will be eating
    turkey that day. I don't like turkey, but it's cheap (US$5.99) and if
    you just eat the breast meat, it doesn't taste much like anything,
    especially if you doctor it up. I put butter or oil (or both) in a
    little cup with a couple of sliced garlic cloves. I cook that in the
    microwave. I then baste the turkey with it, initially and then a couple
    more times. I sprinkle a spice mixture (we currently use Penzey's
    Bavarian Seasoning) liberally.

    Mashed potatoes are also traditional. My wife likes gravy with them.
    I've made turkey gravy a couple of times, but usually she does it. The
    stuff is really *vile*. It tastes of turkey, rather strongly. As I
    posted, I don't *like* turkey. I never eat the gravy, even if I made
    it. A little butter (OK, a *lot*) and a grind of black pepper works OK
    for me.

    A couple of times I had a little hankering for some gravy on my mashed
    potatoes:

    Dump a rounded tablespoon of flour into a small saucepan over medium
    heat. Add an equivalent amount of oil or butter (I never measure).
    Stir constantly until it turns into a paste. It may bubble a bit. Open
    a can of broth (I use Swanson beef broth, 14 ounces) and add a little
    bit (2 or 3 ounces). It will turn into an inedible looking glob. Just
    keep stirring. When it gets pasty again, add more broth. Keep doing
    this until the can is empty. Don't dump the whole can it at once or
    you'll get lumps that are hard to get rid of. Check the color. I like
    my beef gravy darker than this usually turns out, so I add gravy
    browning (Kitchen Bouquet is what they sell around here). Give it a
    taste, and adjust seasoning to your preference. I like a drop or two of
    Tabasco sauce. It doesn't add enough heat or flavor to be recognizable,
    but adds complexity and another layer of flavor to the gravy.

    --
    Dan Abel
    [email hidden]
    Petaluma, California, USA

  18. Dan said:

    Next week is Thanksgiving here in the US. Most of us will be eating
    turkey that day. I don't like turkey, but it's cheap (US$5.99) and if
    you just eat the breast meat, it doesn't taste much like anything,
    especially if you doctor it up. I put butter or oil (or both) in a
    little cup with a couple of sliced garlic cloves. I cook that in the
    microwave. I then baste the turkey with it, initially and then a couple
    more times. I sprinkle a spice mixture (we currently use Penzey's
    Bavarian Seasoning) liberally.

    Last time I cooked a turkey (it's been a few years), I used Penzey's
    Bicentennial Seasoning. It worked quite well; I like the turkey-orange
    flavor combination. Have you ever tried it?

    I'm cooking a goose this year; I posted the recipe a few weeks ago.

    Quoted message said:

    Mashed potatoes are also traditional. My wife likes gravy with them.
    I've made turkey gravy a couple of times, but usually she does it. The
    stuff is really *vile*. It tastes of turkey, rather strongly. As I
    posted, I don't *like* turkey. I never eat the gravy, even if I made
    it. A little butter (OK, a *lot*) and a grind of black pepper works OK
    for me.

    Without commenting on any of Martha Stewart's other qualities, I have to say
    that I think her recipe for turkey gravy is extremely good:

    Martha Stewart's Gravy 101

    Turkey Stock (recipe below)
    1 1/2 cups Madeira
    3 tablespoons all-purpose flour
    2 teaspoons minced fresh rosemary
    3/4 teaspoons salt
    1/8 teaspoon coarse ground pepper

    Transfer roasted turkey to a large platter. Pour juices from pan into fat
    separator. Set aside to separate, about 10 minutes. Reserve fat.

    Heat the Turkey Stock in a medium saucepan over low heat. Place roasting pan
    over medium high heat. Pour Madeira into pan, let bubble (raise heat if
    necessary), and scrape bottom and sides of pan with wooden spoon to dislodge
    browned bits. Remove from pan and reserve with pan juices. Return 2 ounces
    reserved fat to roasting pan, sprinkle flour into pan and cook over low heat
    2 to 3 minutes.

    Slowly whisk in heated stock and reserved pan juices. Increase heat to
    medium high. Add rosemary and season with salt and pepper. Cook until thick
    and the gravy coats the back of a spoon, 10 to 15 minutes.

    Strain gravy from pan through very fine sieve. Adjust seasoning. Keep warm
    in heatproof bowl over a pan of simmering water or serve immediately.

    Turkey Stock

    Makes about 3 cups
    The giblets are edible when properly prepared and are the secret to a
    flavorful gravy. Make this stock while your turkey roasts.

    Giblets(heart, gizzard, and liver) and neck reserved from turkey
    4 tablespoons unsalted butter
    1 onion, cut into 1/4-inch dice
    1 celery stalk with leaves, stalk cut into 1/4-inch dice, leaves roughly
    chopped
    1 small leek, trimmed, washed and cut into 1/4-inch dice
    1/2 teaspoon salt
    1/4 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
    1 bay leaf

    1. Trim any fat or membrane from giblets. The liver should not have the
    gallbladder (a small green sac) attached. If it is, trim it off carefully,
    removing part of the liver if necessary. Do not pierce the sac; the liquid
    it contains is very bitter. Rinse giblets and neck, and pat dry.

    2. In a medium saucepan, melt 3 tablespoons butter over medium heat. Add
    chopped onion, celery and leaves, and leek. Cook, stirring occasionally,
    until onions are translucent, about 10 minutes. Add salt and pepper, and
    cook 5 minutes. Add 4 cups water, bay leaf, gizzard, heart, and neck (do not
    add liver; it needs to be cooked separately or it makes the stock bitter).
    Bring to a boil, then reduce to a high simmer. Cook for 45 minutes, or until
    gizzard is tender when pierced with the tip of a knife.

    3. Meanwhile, chop liver finely. Melt remaining tablespoon of butter in a
    small skillet over medium-low heat. Add liver, and cook, stirring
    constantly, until liver no longer releases any blood and is fully cooked, 4
    to 6 minutes. Set aside.

    4. After the 45 minutes of simmering, the liquid should reduce to about 3
    cups. If it has not, increase the heat, and cook 10 to 15 minutes more.

    5. Strain stock. Chop gizzard and heart very fine, and add to strained stock
    along with chopped liver. Pick meat off neck, and add to stock. Set aside
    until needed for gravy.

    Bob

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