Dip target muscle

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

What did you guys turn my thread into? How did it happen?

It's easy. We are experienced professional thread OT'ers. Do not try this at
home.

Quoted message said:

BTW, I don't have dogs but I will have a JackRusell Terrier one day. They
look really cute.

Great reason to get one. They're such laid-back couch potatoes, what could
go wrong?

David

You are evil incarnate. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article said:

What did you guys turn my thread into? How did it happen?

BTW, I don't have dogs but I will have a JackRusell Terrier one day. They
look really cute.

Oh lord...

You'd best study up on those dogs!
They are more than just "cute".

They can be a real handful!
Great dogs, but you'd better have time for them!

Aw, Jacks aren't that bad. They're only like a raising a child.

Indeed...

One of my co-workers has one.
She is past child bearing so to her and
her husband, that dog IS their child.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> rev <[email hidden]*an*> wrote:
>
>> Jeff wrote:
>> > On Thu, 26 May 2005 12:17:35 -0700, "fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep), how do you adjust your form?
>> >
>> >
>> > No matter what you do, you will involve the pecs and anterior delts to
>> > a large degree. You can put the majority of the emphasis on the
>> > triceps by keeping as upright as possible while dipping and keeping
>> > the elbows closer to your body. You'll also wind up putting a ton of
>> > stress on your anterior delts this way, but there is no way around it.
>> > If you want to do dips more so as a pec exercise lean forward while
>> > dipping and let the elbows flare out more, almost like a decline
>> > press. Some gyms have a v-shaped dipping bar. If your's does the
>> > wider your grip is the more you'll hit the pecs and vice versa for the
>> > triceps.
>>
>> And what exactly has this to do with border collies? A great answer but
>> OT. We progressed from dip target to bench press in a short time and
>> logically moving on the dogs. I expect the next twist in the thread to
>> introduce Dipping sheep (which collies love to take care of).
>>
>> Can anybody comment on good form form sheep dipping? Or would cattle
>> dipping be better?
>
> I'm sure that any commercial feed store will have a good sheep dipping
> product. Our feed store has an annual mid-summer dog dip for $1.00 per
> dog.....
>
> Actually, now that the thread has moved on to dogs, it will next go to
> guns. ;-)
>
> So, David, which is better?
>
> A .357 or a 9mm?
>
> Revolver or SA?

Define "better". Define the scenario.

It depends. (No $ until Lyle stops by for a visit)

David

One for home defense, (stopping power)
and one for licensed carry.

Then one of each. Big .357, small 9mm.

Revolvers or SA's?
I've heard and read pros and cons on both...
Hence my internal debate.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

JMW said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> What did you guys turn my thread into? How did it happen?
>
> BTW, I don't have dogs but I will have a JackRusell Terrier one day. They
> look really cute.

Oh lord...

You'd best study up on those dogs!
They are more than just "cute".

They can be a real handful!
Great dogs, but you'd better have time for them!

Aw, Jacks aren't that bad. They're only like a raising a child.

Indeed...

One of my co-workers has one.
She is past child bearing so to her and
her husband, that dog IS their child.

I have a similar co-worker.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

JMW said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > rev <[email hidden]*an*> wrote:
> >> Jeff wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 26 May 2005 12:17:35 -0700, "fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>If I want to focus on Pecs(or Tricep), how do you adjust your form?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > No matter what you do, you will involve the pecs and anterior delts to
> >> > a large degree. You can put the majority of the emphasis on the
> >> > triceps by keeping as upright as possible while dipping and keeping
> >> > the elbows closer to your body. You'll also wind up putting a ton of
> >> > stress on your anterior delts this way, but there is no way around it.
> >> > If you want to do dips more so as a pec exercise lean forward while
> >> > dipping and let the elbows flare out more, almost like a decline
> >> > press. Some gyms have a v-shaped dipping bar. If your's does the
> >> > wider your grip is the more you'll hit the pecs and vice versa for the
> >> > triceps.
> >>
> >> And what exactly has this to do with border collies? A great answer but
> >> OT. We progressed from dip target to bench press in a short time and
> >> logically moving on the dogs. I expect the next twist in the thread to
> >> introduce Dipping sheep (which collies love to take care of).
> >>
> >> Can anybody comment on good form form sheep dipping? Or would cattle
> >> dipping be better?
> >
> > I'm sure that any commercial feed store will have a good sheep dipping
> > product. Our feed store has an annual mid-summer dog dip for $1.00 per
> > dog.....
> >
> > Actually, now that the thread has moved on to dogs, it will next go to
> > guns. ;-)
> >
> > So, David, which is better?
> >
> > A .357 or a 9mm?
> >
> > Revolver or SA?
>
> Define "better". Define the scenario.
>
> It depends. (No $ until Lyle stops by for a visit)
>
> David

One for home defense, (stopping power)
and one for licensed carry.

Then one of each. Big .357, small 9mm.

Revolvers or SA's?
I've heard and read pros and cons on both...
Hence my internal debate.

9mm Parabellum is an automatic cartridge; .357 Magnum is a revolver
cartridge. They are what they are.

Yes, a few automatics have been designed to fire .357 Magnum
cartridges. They are grossly overpriced, and there are much better
high-power solutions for much lower prices.

Yes, a few revolvers have been designed to fire 9mm Parabellum. They
require full- or half-moon cartridge clips, which are a pain in the
ass, and they are also overpriced. And in a revolver, you'll get poor
performance out of an automatic cartridge.

As I said, the cartridges are what they are.

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

David Cohen said:

Delenn wrote:

Quoted message said:

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I'm worried about the activity level. I'm home and available to take
him for a short run at lunchtime. I've also got two boys who have
signed up to do morning and afternoon walks.

NEVER get a dog assuming the kids will have anything to do with it.
Anything you get from the kids, or the husband, is a bonus. It's unfair
to the dog to assume otherwise. Get the dog for YOU.

I hear your words of wisdom. One of the ironies in our house is that
Ela (our Lab) thinks she belongs to my husband. She adores him. But
*I'm* with her all day long, I took her to training, I run with her. He
shows up and feeds her and she adores him. The boys come home and she
adores them. I'm just not appreciated. <sob>

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We've got tennis balls and
wooded trails for running on, but we honestly don't take Ela
out running more than once or twice a week - a lot of our exercise is at
the gym or on bikes. I'm working as an accountant, not a forest ranger.
And we don't have a herd of sheep. Can an active family of five in a
suburban environment HAVE a border collie?

Sure, if "active" is stuff the dog can do, too. If "active" is the gym,
the Marxist Bridge Club, the Swinging Oldies Wife Swap Get Together,
and an occasional walk in the woods, no.

It's spooky how well you know me, David. Are you sure you don't have a
webcam on me?

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I'd rate us as better than
average dog owners, but border collies are sort of the big league in
terms of need.

So, get some other breed. A Liberal Left Wing East Coast Foo Foo dog.
Something French. A Petite Basset Griffon Vendeen, maybe.

Excellent suggestion, and that was my second choice.

I just got back from visiting our neighbor who has a rescue border
collie who has terrible manners. The dog jumps on everyone and licks
and licks and so most people stay away from her, but I crouched down and
got thoroughly licked and then could speak to her. She's really quite
delightful in a bouncing-off-the-walls sort of way. One of my kids is
sort of like that (his nickname isn't very catchy, but is descriptive
non-the-less: we call him Relentless-Boy.) Anyway, we've both got half
acre lots with half-ass fencing and I asked her about how having a
border collie is working out for them and they said they love her and
would get another one.

Damn the peer pressue.

I've got to get this settled because we're going to be visiting these BC
puppies for a week while they're 6-7 weeks old. We must be firm in our
resolve if we're resolving not to do it.

Delenn

fj said:

What did you guys turn my thread into? How did it happen?

My mistake. You asked about dips for pecs and I didn't know about this:
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/PectoralSternal/WtChestDip.html

and I just thought you were being really stupid about what was worked by
this: http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Triceps/WtBenchDip.html

Quoted message said:

BTW, I don't have dogs but I will have a JackRusell Terrier one day. They
look really cute.

If that's your reason then I'd recommend you get a stuffed one.

Delenn

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

What did you guys turn my thread into? How did it happen?

It's easy. We are experienced professional thread OT'ers. Do not try

this at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

home.

Quoted message said:

BTW, I don't have dogs but I will have a JackRusell Terrier one day.

They

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

look really cute.

Great reason to get one. They're such laid-back couch potatoes, what

could

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

go wrong?

David

You are evil incarnate. ;-)

I second that.

-fj

"Delenn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

fj said:

What did you guys turn my thread into? How did it happen?

My mistake. You asked about dips for pecs and I didn't know about this:
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/PectoralSternal/WtChestDip.html

Thanks for the link

Quoted message said:

and I just thought you were being really stupid about what was worked by
this: http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Triceps/WtBenchDip.html

Nah, I didn't mean this.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

BTW, I don't have dogs but I will have a JackRusell Terrier one day.

They

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

look really cute.

If that's your reason then I'd recommend you get a stuffed one.

Delenn

I am aware of the responsibilities that's why I don't have one yet. It's
disgusting those who claim loving their dogs but abandon them when they are
tired of taking care of them.

-fj

DZ said:

JMW said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Revolvers or SA's? I've heard and read pros and cons on both...
Hence my internal debate.

9mm Parabellum is an automatic cartridge; .357 Magnum is a revolver
cartridge. They are what they are.

During summer of 1986 I was shooting at an old tank positioned in the
field from a rocket propelled grenade launcher during our precision
shooting practice drills in Far East of USSR.

I have only seen images of the Soviet RPG, but it does not seem to have
much in common with the 9mm Parabellum or the .357 Magnum. I assumed
that the actual firing of the RPG would not produce a loud report, and
that the target would be sufficiently distant such that the explosion
upon contact would not be deafening. Am I wrong?

Quoted message said:

Friends smuggled in a tape of Gyorgy Ligeti etudes "Book I" that just
recently appeared and everyone back in Vladivostok was talking about
it. But we couldn't really listen to the tape because of the temporary
deafness combined with high pitched sound in the head.

In the summer of 1992, I brought my .44 Special to my dad's house to do
some target shooting with my former stepbrother, who had just returned
from the Gulf War. I forgot to bring ear protection. He was in Armor
Maintenance and was accustomed to hearing constant firing from the
tanks right next to him, so he was sure that he wouldn't need ear
protection. I decided to go without it, too. We were both sorry we
did.

rev said:

Can anybody comment on good form form sheep dipping? Or would cattle
dipping be better?

I think that to avoid injury and overtraining, it's best to start with
a smallish goat.

LM

Lee Michaels said:

Delenn, you have not approached this from a modern technological
perspective. You should invest in high tech satellite transmission
equipment and outfit your self with the latest portable computers. Then you
can do your accountant work and run with the dog at the same time. And your
clients would love it!

You would be the ultimate power momma!

HTH

Who says I don't already? Haven't you ever wondered about my alleged
triathlon training while still managing to be on usenet 24 hours a day?

Gotta love living in a neighborhood where everyone has a wireless LAN.

Delenn

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Actually, now that the thread has moved on to dogs, it will next go to
> guns. ;-)
>
> So, David, which is better?
>
> A .357 or a 9mm?
>
> Revolver or SA?

Define "better". Define the scenario.

It depends. (No $ until Lyle stops by for a visit)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

One for home defense, (stopping power)
and one for licensed carry.

Then one of each. Big .357, small 9mm.

Reasonable choice, but, still depends. For example, a big guy with big hands
who is not recoil sensitive (me) might like the opposite: a big high cap 9mm
for home defense, and a small .357, like one of the awesome 12 ounce
scandium/titanium S&Ws. Depends.

David

On Sat, 28 May 2005 00:03:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > Actually, now that the thread has moved on to dogs, it will next go to
> > guns. ;-)
> >
> > So, David, which is better?
> >
> > A .357 or a 9mm?
> >
> > Revolver or SA?
>
> Define "better". Define the scenario.
>
> It depends. (No $ until Lyle stops by for a visit)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

One for home defense, (stopping power)
and one for licensed carry.

Then one of each. Big .357, small 9mm.

Reasonable choice, but, still depends. For example, a big guy with big hands
who is not recoil sensitive (me) might like the opposite: a big high cap 9mm
for home defense, and a small .357, like one of the awesome 12 ounce
scandium/titanium S&Ws. Depends.

..44 mag for home defense. It's about the most powerful handgun I'll
shoot one handed with good accuracy.

David Cohen said:

John Hanson said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
> OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>> > Actually, now that the thread has moved on to dogs, it will next go to
>>> > guns. ;-)
>>> >
>>> > So, David, which is better?
>>> >
>>> > A .357 or a 9mm?
>>> >
>>> > Revolver or SA?
>>>
>>> Define "better". Define the scenario.
>>>
>>> It depends. (No $ until Lyle stops by for a visit)

>>One for home defense, (stopping power)
>>and one for licensed carry.
>
> Then one of each. Big .357, small 9mm.

Reasonable choice, but, still depends. For example, a big guy with big hands
who is not recoil sensitive (me) might like the opposite: a big high cap 9mm
for home defense, and a small .357, like one of the awesome 12 ounce
scandium/titanium S&Ws. Depends.

.44 mag for home defense. It's about the most powerful handgun I'll
shoot one handed with good accuracy.

No, ya' big dum...uh, I mean, I would like to respectfully disagree,
John. Issue #1: overpenetration. Issue #2: after the first shot, you're
deaf for the rest of the encounter and deaf to the 911 operator.

Issue #3: Second-shot recovery time. Even Elmer Keith admitted that
the .44 Magnum would not be suitable for police use because of that.

As to Issue #1, overpenetration is also problem with .357 Magnum as a
home defense gun. Use of Glaser Safety Slugs is a good idea.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

In article <[email hidden]>,

Larisa said:

I get much better accuracy with a revolver. Not sure if it's just me,
though.

LM

You are not alone from what I've been told!

That was another consideration, as well as the fact that revolvers don't
jam. They may mis-fire, but cannot get an unfired shell jammed if it
fails to eject from a SA chamber for some reason.

I'm told also tho' that with proper gun maintenance, I should not have
to worry about that...
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

David Cohen said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> > Actually, now that the thread has moved on to dogs, it will next go to
>> > guns. ;-)
>> >
>> > So, David, which is better?
>> >
>> > A .357 or a 9mm?
>> >
>> > Revolver or SA?
>>
>> Define "better". Define the scenario.
>>
>> It depends. (No $ until Lyle stops by for a visit)

Quoted message said:

>One for home defense, (stopping power)
>and one for licensed carry.

Then one of each. Big .357, small 9mm.

Reasonable choice, but, still depends. For example, a big guy with big hands
who is not recoil sensitive (me) might like the opposite: a big high cap 9mm
for home defense, and a small .357, like one of the awesome 12 ounce
scandium/titanium S&Ws. Depends.

Home defense: .357 Magnum, 4-6" heavy barrel (e.g., S&W 66 or 686);
less recoil, more intimidation.

Concealed carry: compact 9mm (many, many types); concealable,
sufficiently powerful.

My recommendations were not directed to you.

;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

John Hanson said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
> OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>> > Actually, now that the thread has moved on to dogs, it will next go
>>> > to
>>> > guns. ;-)
>>> >
>>> > So, David, which is better?
>>> >
>>> > A .357 or a 9mm?
>>> >
>>> > Revolver or SA?
>>>
>>> Define "better". Define the scenario.
>>>
>>> It depends. (No $ until Lyle stops by for a visit)

>>One for home defense, (stopping power)
>>and one for licensed carry.
>
> Then one of each. Big .357, small 9mm.

Reasonable choice, but, still depends. For example, a big guy with big
hands
who is not recoil sensitive (me) might like the opposite: a big high cap
9mm
for home defense, and a small .357, like one of the awesome 12 ounce
scandium/titanium S&Ws. Depends.

.44 mag for home defense. It's about the most powerful handgun I'll
shoot one handed with good accuracy.

No, ya' big dum...uh, I mean, I would like to respectfully disagree,
John. Issue #1: overpenetration. Issue #2: after the first shot, you're
deaf for the rest of the encounter and deaf to the 911 operator.

David

<lol>
Thanks for the chuckle......
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

David Cohen said:

John Hanson said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote
>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>> > Actually, now that the thread has moved on to dogs, it will next go
>>>> > to
>>>> > guns. ;-)
>>>> >
>>>> > So, David, which is better?
>>>> >
>>>> > A .357 or a 9mm?
>>>> >
>>>> > Revolver or SA?
>>>>
>>>> Define "better". Define the scenario.
>>>>
>>>> It depends. (No $ until Lyle stops by for a visit)
>
>>>One for home defense, (stopping power)
>>>and one for licensed carry.
>>
>> Then one of each. Big .357, small 9mm.
>
>Reasonable choice, but, still depends. For example, a big guy with big
>hands
>who is not recoil sensitive (me) might like the opposite: a big high cap
>9mm
>for home defense, and a small .357, like one of the awesome 12 ounce
>scandium/titanium S&Ws. Depends.
>
.44 mag for home defense. It's about the most powerful handgun I'll
shoot one handed with good accuracy.

No, ya' big dum...uh, I mean, I would like to respectfully disagree,
John. Issue #1: overpenetration. Issue #2: after the first shot, you're
deaf for the rest of the encounter and deaf to the 911 operator.

Issue #3: Second-shot recovery time. Even Elmer Keith admitted that
the .44 Magnum would not be suitable for police use because of that.

As to Issue #1, overpenetration is also problem with .357 Magnum as a
home defense gun. Use of Glaser Safety Slugs is a good idea.

Okay, educate me please!
What is a Glaser Safety Slug?

Will Google....... ;-)

My choice would have been hollowpoints?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Use of Glaser Safety Slugs is a good idea.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/frangible.htm

Fascinating...
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson