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  1. Hi folks-- Buddy (non-cycling) and I were discussing
    movies. I mentioned "Triplets of Belleville," for obvious
    reasons. Segued to a recent review I heard on NPR where the
    reporter mentioned "the Tour de France bicycle race," to
    which I wrote them that anyone who's purchased a US postage
    stamp in, say, the last five years would certainly have
    some awareness of what the TdF might be. Buddy disagrees,
    says the general public would not know, wouldn't care, etc.
    What say you?

    --Karen M. who always used to get the pertinent question
    when playing Trivial Pursuit in 1983...and by 1986 all my
    fellow players could answer it too

  2. On 7 Mar 2004 17:32:00 -0800, [email hidden] (Karen M.)

    Quoted message said:

    Hi folks-- Buddy (non-cycling) and I were discussing
    movies. I mentioned "Triplets of Belleville," for obvious
    reasons. Segued to a recent review I heard on NPR where the
    reporter mentioned "the Tour de France bicycle race," to
    which I wrote them that anyone who's purchased a US postage
    stamp in, say, the last five years would certainly have
    some awareness of what the TdF might be. Buddy disagrees,
    says the general public would not know, wouldn't care, etc.
    What say you?

    JQP doesn't know or care. But I couldn't tell you what the
    NASCAR standings are, either.

    -Luigi

    Quoted message said:


    --Karen M. who always used to get the pertinent question
    when playing Trivial Pursuit in 1983...and by 1986 all my
    fellow players could answer it too

  3. [email hidden] (Karen M.) wrote in news:4bfcf85b.0403071732.303159e3
    @posting.google.com:

    Quoted message said:

    Buddy disagrees, says the general public would not
    know, wouldn't care, etc. What say you?

    Lance Armstrong has been named Sportsman of the Year by
    several news organizations. Sports fans know what the Tour
    de France is. Non-sports fans probably can't name any of the
    golf majors or any NASCAR events or any NHL team.

  4. Luigi de Guzman said:

    On 7 Mar 2004 17:32:00 -0800, [email hidden]

    (Karen M.) said:

    Hi folks-- Buddy (non-cycling) and I were discussing
    movies. I mentioned "Triplets of Belleville," for obvious
    reasons. Segued to a recent review I heard on NPR where
    the reporter mentioned "the Tour de France bicycle race,"
    to which I wrote them that anyone who's purchased a US
    postage stamp in, say, the last five years would certainly
    have some awareness of what the TdF might be. Buddy
    disagrees, says the general public would not know,
    wouldn't care, etc. What say you?

    JQP doesn't know or care. But I couldn't tell you what the
    NASCAR standings are, either.

    -Luigi

    I forgot to mention: The TdF is in, um. France. You know,
    one of those axis-of-evil places, or something. At any rate,
    it's full of furriners who insult you even as they buy Jerry
    Lewis movies.

    J. Public would rather watch a red-blooded, patriotic event
    like NASCAR, where athletes burn actual petroleum.

    -Luigi

  5. "Karen M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi folks-- Buddy (non-cycling) and I were discussing
    movies. I mentioned "Triplets of Belleville," for obvious
    reasons. Segued to a recent review I heard on NPR where
    the reporter mentioned "the Tour de France bicycle race,"
    to which I wrote them that anyone who's purchased a US
    postage stamp in, say, the last five years would certainly
    have some awareness of what the TdF might be. Buddy
    disagrees, says the general public would not know,
    wouldn't care, etc. What say you?

    I'd say almost everybody knows what the TdF is. Lance
    Armstrong is the third most recognizable sports celebrity,
    behind Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods. Whether Americans
    will care once he retires remains to be seen....

  6. On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:40:06 GMT, "Gooserider" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Karen M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi folks-- Buddy (non-cycling) and I were discussing
    movies. I mentioned "Triplets of Belleville," for obvious
    reasons. Segued to a recent review I heard on NPR where
    the reporter mentioned "the Tour de France bicycle race,"
    to which I wrote them that anyone who's purchased a US
    postage stamp in, say, the last five years would
    certainly have some awareness of what the TdF might be.
    Buddy disagrees, says the general public would not know,
    wouldn't care, etc. What say you?

    I'd say almost everybody knows what the TdF is. Lance
    Armstrong is the third most recognizable sports celebrity,
    behind Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods. Whether Americans
    will care once he retires remains to be seen....

    Tyler Hamilton. The *real* hero of the last Tour.

    He'll keep it alive.

    -Luigi

  7. Luigi de Guzman said:

    Tyler Hamilton. The *real* hero of the last Tour.

    Who is racing Paris-Nice right now. But no spoilers, please.
    I'm TiVo-ing it.
    --
    terry morse Palo Alto, CA bike.terrymorse.combike.terrymorse.com

  8. "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Tyler Hamilton. The *real* hero of the last Tour.


    Luigi, that 'fracture' he rode with during the Tour was only
    a Greenstick fracture, Bjarne Riis played it up for the
    media and the Imax crew that were following the team.

    I caught Tyler lifting his right arm above horizontal
    several times during last year's Tour when he thought no one
    was watching.

    I've ridden lot's of times with a fracture like that, and
    nobody got excited.

  9. "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Gooserider said:


    "Karen M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi folks-- Buddy (non-cycling) and I were discussing
    movies. I mentioned "Triplets of Belleville," for
    obvious reasons. Segued to a recent review I heard on
    NPR where the reporter mentioned "the Tour de France
    bicycle race," to which I wrote them that anyone who's
    purchased a US postage stamp in, say, the last five
    years would certainly have some awareness of what the
    TdF might be. Buddy disagrees, says the general public
    would not know, wouldn't care, etc. What say you?

    I'd say almost everybody knows what the TdF is. Lance
    Armstrong is the


    third

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    most recognizable sports celebrity, behind Michael Jordan
    and Tiger


    Woods.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Whether Americans will care once he retires remains to be
    seen....

    Tyler Hamilton. The *real* hero of the last Tour.

    He'll keep it alive.

    -Luigi

    Tyler's 32. He maybe has one or two tours left. Maybe Floyd
    Landis will be the guy, since Armstrong appears to be taking
    him under his wing.

  10. "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:JI63c.1456$Up2.353@pd7tw1no...

    Quoted message said:


    "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Tyler Hamilton. The *real* hero of the last Tour.


    Luigi, that 'fracture' he rode with during the Tour was
    only a Greenstick fracture, Bjarne Riis played it up for
    the media and the Imax crew that were following the team.

    I caught Tyler lifting his right arm above horizontal
    several times during last year's Tour when he thought no
    one was watching.

    I've ridden lot's of times with a fracture like that, and
    nobody got excited.

    But not everybody is superhuman like you, Fabs.

  11. On 7 Mar 2004 17:32:00 -0800, [email hidden] (Karen M.)
    wrote:

    I'd say yes, John Q American Public has heard of the Tour,
    if only because of Lance Armstrong. Some may even remember
    Greg Lemond. Mention Indurain and you'll probably get blank
    stares. Mention any other major race, like the Giro
    d'Italia, and most won't have heard of
    it.

    But after all, so what? I'm also an amateur chess player.
    USCF rating 2136. ( No, not that USCF, I'm talking the US
    Chess Federation). How many Americans could tell you who won
    Linares this year?* I'm used to having my interests ignored
    by the general public. An American world champion gave us a
    bit of a boost 32 years ago, but after that, most Americans
    lost interest again. It will be the same with any American
    successes in cycling. They're not interested in the sport,
    they're interested in American competitors.

    MP

    * Vladimir Kramnik

  12. MP said:

    They're not interested in the sport, they're interested in
    American competitors.

    In fairness, Fisher is/was interesting in his own right
    because he's so damn weird.

    I would have loved to have hung out with Capablanca, but he
    was a chick magnet.

    -Luigi

  13. Luigi de Guzman said:
    MP said:

    They're not interested in the sport, they're interested in
    American competitors.

    In fairness, Fisher is/was interesting in his own right
    because he's so damn weird.

    I would have loved to have hung out with Capablanca, but he
    was a chick magnet.

    -Luigi

    Yes, Capablanca was strangely normal, as top chess
    players go.

    Fischer's gotten positively twisted in his old age. Alas.

    MP

  14. MP said:
    Luigi de Guzman said:
    MP said:

    They're not interested in the sport, they're interested
    in American competitors.

    In fairness, Fisher is/was interesting in his own right
    because he's so damn weird.

    I would have loved to have hung out with Capablanca, but
    he was a chick magnet.

    -Luigi

    Yes, Capablanca was strangely normal, as top chess
    players go.

    I liked the fact that his friends had to knock on his door
    LOUDLY, lest they interrupt his...ermm...multiple
    simultaneous games with the ladies.

    -Luigi

    Quoted message said:


    Fischer's gotten positively twisted in his old age. Alas.

    MP

  15. On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:48:07 GMT, "Gooserider" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:JI63c.1456$Up2.353@pd7tw1no...

    Quoted message said:


    "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message ...

    Quoted message said:

    > Tyler Hamilton. The *real* hero of the last Tour.

    Luigi, that 'fracture' he rode with during the Tour was
    only a Greenstick fracture, Bjarne Riis played it up for
    the media and the Imax crew that were following the team.

    I caught Tyler lifting his right arm above horizontal
    several times during last year's Tour when he thought no
    one was watching.

    I've ridden lot's of times with a fracture like that, and
    nobody got excited.

    But not everybody is superhuman like you, Fabs.

    The Fab One is beyond the infinite.

    -Luigi

    "My God....it's full of stars!"

  16. Around here, TdF stands for Tour deFender, the once-a-month
    rides I put together for people I work with in the local
    public defender office. Get it? --Roy Zipris

  17. (Hunrobe) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Luigi de Guzman [email hidden]

    wrote in part:

    Quoted message said:

    I forgot to mention: The TdF is in, um. France. You know,
    one of those axis-of-evil places, or something. At any
    rate, it's full of furriners who insult you even as they
    buy Jerry Lewis movies.

    J. Public would rather watch a red-blooded, patriotic
    event like NASCAR, where athletes burn actual
    petroleum.

    -Luigi

    Hey Luigi, lighten up on the stereotypes a little. IMO, the
    majority of adult US citizens- that mythical John Q. Public-
    knows about as much about the TdF as I do about major
    league baseball.

    A lot of US citizens have kids in Little League, and
    either have participated in the sport themselves as
    children, or have known someone who participated in the
    sport at some point in his life. How many junior racers
    are there in your town?

    Quoted message said:

    I know it exists and can even name a few players and teams.

    They probably couldn't name you a team other than Postal,
    and would be unsure as to why there are teams in a sport
    where all they hear about is Lance.

    Quoted message said:

    NL and AL distinctions are meaningless to me though, just
    as

    These are fine distinctions. They are made more meaningless
    through the introduction of regular-season interleague play.

    I have been an American League fan all through my (short)
    baseball consciousness, but lately I have decided that the
    designated hitter rule is dumb. If Kerry Wood can pitch
    90mph, and then go and hit himself a homer, bringing his own
    run support with him, what's the DH rule for?

    Quoted message said:

    Classics rider / stage rider distinctions mean nothing to
    JQP. That doesn't make JQP a redneck anymore than it makes
    me an effete elitist. In the truest sense of the word, I'm
    probably more of a redneck than most US males. I never use
    sunblock and always wear a jersey when riding you see. ;-)

    NASCAR is the fastest-growing sporting activity, in terms
    of television ratings and gate. (and motorist behaviour?).
    The USA went to a FIFA World Cup semi-final (before the
    Germans and Michael bloody Ballack and his header knocked
    them out) and vanishingly few people cared. [I remember a
    World Cup qualifier that was held against Honduras here in
    DC. On match day, I saw literally dozens of Honduran
    jerseys, either for the national team or Olympia
    Tegucigalpa. I saw very very very few USA supporters. USA
    won, but it was very nearly an 'away' crowd for the 'home'
    team] Soccer a game for menials, you know, like those
    illegals who won't speak English.

    I'd love to get all Pollyanna about how much more culturally
    aware or multiethnic society is getting, but there's a long
    way to go in a lot of places. At the end of the day,
    Americans only care about Americans--and "American" is
    still, like it or not, White, Anglo-Saxon, and Protestant,
    since the dominant discourse and the levers of power are
    still controlled by WASPs. Time will change that; we
    immigrants will add our own patterns and colours to the
    patchwork until time wears us down and fades us into the
    background, like all the other additions before us.

    -Luigi

  18. (Hunrobe) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Luigi de Guzman [email hidden]

    wrote in part:

    Quoted message said:

    I forgot to mention: The TdF is in, um. France. You know,
    one of those axis-of-evil places, or something. At any
    rate, it's full of furriners who insult you even as they
    buy Jerry Lewis movies.

    J. Public would rather watch a red-blooded, patriotic
    event like NASCAR, where athletes burn actual
    petroleum.

    -Luigi

    Hey Luigi, lighten up on the stereotypes a little. IMO, the
    majority of adult US citizens- that mythical John Q. Public-
    knows about as much about the TdF as I do about major
    league baseball.

    A lot of US citizens have kids in Little League, and
    either have participated in the sport themselves as
    children, or have known someone who participated in the
    sport at some point in his life. How many junior racers
    are there in your town?

    Quoted message said:

    I know it exists and can even name a few players and teams.

    They probably couldn't name you a team other than Postal,
    and would be unsure as to why there are teams in a sport
    where all they hear about is Lance.

    Quoted message said:

    NL and AL distinctions are meaningless to me though, just
    as

    These are fine distinctions. They are made more meaningless
    through the introduction of regular-season interleague play.

    I have been an American League fan all through my (short)
    baseball consciousness, but lately I have decided that the
    designated hitter rule is dumb. If Kerry Wood can pitch
    90mph, and then go and hit himself a homer, bringing his own
    run support with him, what's the DH rule for?

    Quoted message said:

    Classics rider / stage rider distinctions mean nothing to
    JQP. That doesn't make JQP a redneck anymore than it makes
    me an effete elitist. In the truest sense of the word, I'm
    probably more of a redneck than most US males. I never use
    sunblock and always wear a jersey when riding you see. ;-)

    NASCAR is the fastest-growing sporting activity, in terms
    of television ratings and gate. (and motorist behaviour?).
    The USA went to a FIFA World Cup semi-final (before the
    Germans and Michael bloody Ballack and his header knocked
    them out) and vanishingly few people cared. [I remember a
    World Cup qualifier that was held against Honduras here in
    DC. On match day, I saw literally dozens of Honduran
    jerseys, either for the national team or Olympia
    Tegucigalpa. I saw very very very few USA supporters. USA
    won, but it was very nearly an 'away' crowd for the 'home'
    team] Soccer a game for menials, you know, like those
    illegals who won't speak English.

    I'd love to get all Pollyanna about how much more culturally
    aware or multiethnic society is getting, but there's a long
    way to go in a lot of places. At the end of the day,
    Americans only care about Americans--and "American" is
    still, like it or not, White, Anglo-Saxon, and Protestant,
    since the dominant discourse and the levers of power are
    still controlled by WASPs. Time will change that; we
    immigrants will add our own patterns and colours to the
    patchwork until time wears us down and fades us into the
    background, like all the other additions before us.

    -Luigi

  19. I would think that Lance has made it apparent to most of
    U.S. that there is a signifigant event involving bicycles
    "over there".

    Of course, there are still a few who haven't heard. Those so
    immersed in things like NFL and NASCAR that they probably
    bathe in Gatoraid to get the rubber out of their eyes...

    "May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear
    for the hills!"

    Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

    Chris'Z Corner geocities.comczcorner

  20. "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Luigi de Guzman said:

    On 7 Mar 2004 17:32:00 -0800, [email hidden]

    (Karen M.) said:

    Hi folks-- Buddy (non-cycling) and I were discussing
    movies. I mentioned "Triplets of Belleville," for
    obvious reasons. Segued to a recent review I heard on
    NPR where the reporter mentioned "the Tour de France
    bicycle race," to which I wrote them that anyone who's
    purchased a US postage stamp in, say, the last five
    years would certainly have some awareness of what the
    TdF might be. Buddy disagrees, says the general public
    would not know, wouldn't care, etc. What say you?

    JQP doesn't know or care. But I couldn't tell you what
    the NASCAR standings are, either.

    -Luigi

    I forgot to mention: The TdF is in, um. France. You know,
    one of those axis-of-evil places, or something. At any
    rate, it's full of furriners who insult you even as they
    buy Jerry Lewis movies.

    J. Public would rather watch a red-blooded, patriotic
    event like NASCAR, where athletes burn actual
    petroleum.

    -Luigi

    Geez, Luigi, that's not very accepting of you. :-)
    Seriously, I watch both the TdF and NASCAR, and they're
    quite similar, except for the obvious. The tactics and
    politics are similar, down to drafting and dealmaking.
    There's nothing wrong with NASCAR,and to stereotype its fans
    as a bunch of redneck yahoos is unfair. There are
    professional people who watch NASCAR, doctors, lawyers, and
    the like. It's a lot of fun, and driver ARE athletes. It
    takes a lot of strength and endurance to control a racecar
    at 200 mph. Plus, they risk death at every second, and that
    has to count for something.

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