Don't Do Bike Maintinance While Drinking...

Bob said:

...or you'll end up wiring up the front gear leaver to the rear
derailleur and the rear gear lever to the front derailleur. It would
have been fine if I hadn't then cut the cables to length before
realising what I'd done.

Anyone know how easy it will be to switch the cables over between
the trigger shifters...?

Cheers,

If the ends are not frayed it shouldn't be too bad. But you might need a
drink first to steady your hand 😉
If the ends are frayed you'll only need a new long cable for the rear.

--
/Marten

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Bob said:

...or you'll end up wiring up the front gear leaver to the rear
derailleur and the rear gear lever to the front derailleur. It would
have been fine if I hadn't then cut the cables to length before
realising what I'd done.

Anyone know how easy it will be to switch the cables over between
the trigger shifters...?

Cheers,

I take it that this is a MTB / hybrid, where the gear cable outers are
not wrapped in by bar tape. Evidently, your cable outers will also be
going to the wrong place, but they should be simple to swap over
without further shortening. It would be a pity if your brake cable
routing got in the way of just flipping them over.

David Lloyd

David Lloyd wrote:

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Quoted message said:

I take it that this is a MTB / hybrid, where the gear cable outers are
not wrapped in by bar tape. Evidently, your cable outers will also be
going to the wrong place, but they should be simple to swap over
without further shortening. It would be a pity if your brake cable
routing got in the way of just flipping them over.

Yes it's a MTB I've adjusted for commuting on. The problem is that the
cables disappear into the trigger housing and I haven't a clue how to
get at that end of things...

Cheers,

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bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/
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"Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that,
with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month."
-- Wernher von Braun

Quoted message said:

Yes it's a MTB I've adjusted for commuting on. The problem is that the
cables disappear into the trigger housing and I haven't a clue how to
get at that end of things...

Is there a big plastic screw somewhere on the housing in line with the
outer cable? If so, undo it, and it will expose the inner cable
nipple (attached to the inner cable) that is holding it in place.
Just push the cable through from the other end to pop it out, then
grab the nipple and pull the inner cable all the way out.

Duncan

Bob said:

David Lloyd wrote:

[snipped...]

Quoted message said:

I take it that this is a MTB / hybrid, where the gear cable outers are
not wrapped in by bar tape. Evidently, your cable outers will also be
going to the wrong place, but they should be simple to swap over
without further shortening. It would be a pity if your brake cable
routing got in the way of just flipping them over.

Yes it's a MTB I've adjusted for commuting on. The problem is that the
cables disappear into the trigger housing and I haven't a clue how to
get at that end of things...

Cheers,

as with nearly any shifter (Some gripshifts excluded): release the
shifter until all cable is reeled out . Opposite the cable entrance in a
straight line is a hole where the head of the cable will pop out if you
push the inner wire through. On fancy models the exit port is sometimes
covered with a plug

--
/Marten

info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

In article <[email hidden]>, ikmotgeenspam@m-
gineering.nl says...

Quoted message said:

as with nearly any shifter (Some gripshifts excluded): release the
shifter until all cable is reeled out . Opposite the cable entrance in a
straight line is a hole where the head of the cable will pop out if you
push the inner wire through. On fancy models the exit port is sometimes
covered with a plug

And dip the ends of the cables in a spot of superglue before pulling
them out so they don't fray and create those frustrating bits of sticky
out wire that catch in the housing when you try to feed them back.

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Tony Raven said:

In article <[email hidden]>, ikmotgeenspam@m-
gineering.nl says...

Quoted message said:

as with nearly any shifter (Some gripshifts excluded): release the
shifter until all cable is reeled out . Opposite the cable entrance in a
straight line is a hole where the head of the cable will pop out if you
push the inner wire through. On fancy models the exit port is sometimes
covered with a plug

And dip the ends of the cables in a spot of superglue before pulling
them out so they don't fray and create those frustrating bits of sticky
out wire that catch in the housing when you try to feed them back.

Ooo, good tip, I'll have to try not to super glue my fingers together
though. That kind of thing has a habit of happening... ;-)

Cheers,

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bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/
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"Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that,
with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month."
-- Wernher von Braun

M-gineering wrote:

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Quoted message said:

as with nearly any shifter (Some gripshifts excluded): release the
shifter until all cable is reeled out . Opposite the cable entrance in a
straight line is a hole where the head of the cable will pop out if you
push the inner wire through. On fancy models the exit port is sometimes
covered with a plug

Well what do you know, there indeed was a hole. So I started drinking
and changed the cables without a problem. The Rear derailleur shifts
perfectly, the front wont shift at all.

The bleeding bolt thing that holds the wire is behind the derailleur
cadge and front chain rings. So I have to take the front right side
crank off to adjust it. What sort of daft design is that!?!

My road bike is a a breeze to adjust, this thing is a total nightmare,
anyone got any tips for getting front derailleurs working...?

Cheers,

--
bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/
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"Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that,
with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month."
-- Wernher von Braun

Bob said:

The bleeding bolt thing that holds the wire is behind the derailleur
cadge and front chain rings. So I have to take the front right side
crank off to adjust it. What sort of daft design is that!?!

daft mechanic more likely😉 With a ball-end allenwrench you won't have
much problems getting at the bolt. Adjust the cable tension with the
barreladjuster at the lever

--
/Marten

info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

M-gineering said:

Bob said:

The bleeding bolt thing that holds the wire is behind the derailleur
cadge and front chain rings. So I have to take the front right side
crank off to adjust it. What sort of daft design is that!?!

daft mechanic more likely😉

Most likely... ;-)

Quoted message said:

With a ball-end allenwrench you won't have much problems getting at
the bolt. Adjust the cable tension with the barrel adjuster at the
lever

My other bike's front derailleur is easily accessible and adjustable
without having to wedge the allen key through the front chain rings.
Off to the LBS for a new bottom bracket, will ask their advice.

Cheers,

--
bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/
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"Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that,
with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month."
-- Wernher von Braun

In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

The bleeding bolt thing that holds the wire is behind the derailleur
cadge and front chain rings. So I have to take the front right side
crank off to adjust it. What sort of daft design is that!?!

That seems unlikely - pictures?

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

The bleeding bolt thing that holds the wire is behind the derailleur
cadge and front chain rings. So I have to take the front right side
crank off to adjust it. What sort of daft design is that!?!

That seems unlikely - pictures?

http://www.bobarnott.com/temp/DSC00086.JPG
http://www.bobarnott.com/temp/DSC00088.JPG

Cheers,

--
bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/
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"Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that,
with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month."
-- Wernher von Braun

In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

The bleeding bolt thing that holds the wire is behind the derailleur
cadge and front chain rings. So I have to take the front right side
crank off to adjust it. What sort of daft design is that!?!

That seems unlikely - pictures?

http://www.bobarnott.com/temp/DSC00086.JPG
http://www.bobarnott.com/temp/DSC00088.JPG

Surely you can get in there with a short angled Allen key?

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
[email hidden] says...
> The bleeding bolt thing that holds the wire is behind the derailleur
> cadge and front chain rings. So I have to take the front right side
> crank off to adjust it. What sort of daft design is that!?!

That seems unlikely - pictures?

http://www.bobarnott.com/temp/DSC00086.JPG
http://www.bobarnott.com/temp/DSC00088.JPG

Surely you can get in there with a short angled Allen key?

When the derailleur is out on the big ring I would probably be able to.
When it's on the inside ring, I doubt it. Totally daft design.

Cheers,

--
bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/
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"Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that,
with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month."
-- Wernher von Braun

In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Rob Morley wrote:
> In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
> [email hidden] says...
>> The bleeding bolt thing that holds the wire is behind the derailleur
>> cadge and front chain rings. So I have to take the front right side
>> crank off to adjust it. What sort of daft design is that!?!
>
> That seems unlikely - pictures?

http://www.bobarnott.com/temp/DSC00086.JPG
http://www.bobarnott.com/temp/DSC00088.JPG

Surely you can get in there with a short angled Allen key?

When the derailleur is out on the big ring I would probably be able to.
When it's on the inside ring, I doubt it. Totally daft design.

How about if you fit a hex head bolt?

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
[email hidden] says...
> Rob Morley wrote:
>> In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
>> [email hidden] says...
>>> The bleeding bolt thing that holds the wire is behind the derailleur
>>> cadge and front chain rings. So I have to take the front right side
>>> crank off to adjust it. What sort of daft design is that!?!
>>
>> That seems unlikely - pictures?
>
> http://www.bobarnott.com/temp/DSC00086.JPG
> http://www.bobarnott.com/temp/DSC00088.JPG
>
Surely you can get in there with a short angled Allen key?

When the derailleur is out on the big ring I would probably be able to.
When it's on the inside ring, I doubt it. Totally daft design.

How about if you fit a hex head bolt?

Then it all depends on the position of the cage, as the bolt moves with
rest of the cage. I was in the LBS at lunch and totally forgot to ask
about it, damn.

Cheers,

--
bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/
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"Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that,
with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month."
-- Wernher von Braun

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Quoted message said:

...or you'll end up wiring up the front gear leaver to the rear
derailleur and the rear gear lever to the front derailleur. It would
have been fine if I hadn't then cut the cables to length before
realising what I'd done.

Anyone know how easy it will be to switch the cables over between
the trigger shifters...?

I originally read this as "rear mech to front brake lever, and front mech to
rear brake lever" I reckon that'd be far more impressive. Imagine how
quickly you could shoot up and down the gears!