Doping experts gives German investigators documents he claims show Tour winner Contador doped
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Bart
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On 31 jul, 22:23, [email protected] wrote:
> http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-contador-doping&prov=ap&type=...
The whole world had that 'evidence' already.
A handwritten Fuentes note saying "A.C.: nothing or the same as JJ"
doesn't seem conclusive doping evidence to me....
Franke is talking as if he's the only one able to read what's on the
note.
AFAIK no bloodbags were found with codes refering to Contador, as
opposed to others.
> http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-contador-doping&prov=ap&type=...
The whole world had that 'evidence' already.
A handwritten Fuentes note saying "A.C.: nothing or the same as JJ"
doesn't seem conclusive doping evidence to me....
Franke is talking as if he's the only one able to read what's on the
note.
AFAIK no bloodbags were found with codes refering to Contador, as
opposed to others.
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datakoll
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datakoll
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RonSonic
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Two articles about current events:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1873402/posts
"However, Pound said: "This investigation may have gone away in Spain but we are
currently working with the UCI on going through 6,000 pages of documentation
gathered from the Operation Puerto investigation." "
>http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-contador-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns
"BERLIN (AP) -- German authorities said Tuesday they have received documents
from doping expert Werner Franke which he claims show Tour de France winner
Alberto Contador was involved in doping.
Franke said he has documents from last year's Operation Puerto doping
investigation in Spain which show that Contador, a Spaniard who won the
doping-marred Tour on Sunday, had taken HMG-Lepori as a testosterone booster and
an asthma product called TGN. "
What the hell kind of privacy rights do you Europeans have? Any?
Is this sort of thing normal over there?
Ron
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1873402/posts
"However, Pound said: "This investigation may have gone away in Spain but we are
currently working with the UCI on going through 6,000 pages of documentation
gathered from the Operation Puerto investigation." "
>http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-contador-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns
"BERLIN (AP) -- German authorities said Tuesday they have received documents
from doping expert Werner Franke which he claims show Tour de France winner
Alberto Contador was involved in doping.
Franke said he has documents from last year's Operation Puerto doping
investigation in Spain which show that Contador, a Spaniard who won the
doping-marred Tour on Sunday, had taken HMG-Lepori as a testosterone booster and
an asthma product called TGN. "
What the hell kind of privacy rights do you Europeans have? Any?
Is this sort of thing normal over there?
Ron
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datakoll
Guest
freedom of information act?
read this?
remember this was the routine but discovery and sanction I don't
remember until EPO substitutes began between stages.
The Hassle Of Being Clean
By Chris Carmichael
Whenever I hear about another Hollywood celebrity complaining about
their lack of privacy, I wonder how they'd feel about being an elite
athlete. Celebrities have their share of hassles, but at least they're
allowed to disappear and not tell anyone where they're going. If
you're an elite athlete, you don't have that privilege.
If you have the ability, and choose to be an elite athlete in any
sport within the Olympic movement, you are required to notify anti-
doping officials of your whereabouts every day of the year. When Lance
Armstrong was racing, you can only imagine how difficult it was to
keep up with the paperwork. His travel schedule was packed all year
long, and many of his trips were quick, last-minute flights here or
there for speaking engagements or activities and meetings for his
foundation. While you're in the middle of it, it gets to be a hassle
and sometimes it's very frustrating. However, Lance and everyone
around him supported the anti-doping regulations and understood that
complete transparency was an essential part of making the system work.
Anti-doping officials need to know your whereabouts at all times so
they can administer unannounced, out-of-competition tests. And they
have a habit of showing up at inconvenient times, but when they show
up you can't really ask them to go away and come back later. Once
they've made contact with you, they have to stay with you until the
test is complete.
I've spoken with a lot of athletes in Colorado Springs who have
returned from long training rides to find the US Anti-Doping Agency
sitting on their front porches. They need a urine sample, which isn't
always an easy thing to provide right after five hours on a bicycle.
And so, you get to sit around drinking water with the anti-doping
officials for a while until you can produce a sufficient sample. Sound
like fun? It gets better.
Unlike giving a urine sample at the doctor's office, anti-doping
officials can?t just hand you a cup and let you go to the bathroom by
yourself. They have to observe the entire process to ensure that
you're not giving them a sample of someone else's urine. They follow
you into the bathroom, make you raise your shirt to your chest and
lower your pants to below your knees, and watch as you fill the sample
cup. Fortunately, they are respectful enough to have women observe
women and men observe men.
And your exposure is not limited to the urine tests. Every medication
you consume, including simple over-the-counter medications like
ibuprofen and Pepto Bismol, must be documented and submitted to anti-
doping officials. If you eat a bad tuna sandwich, they get to know
about it. This regulation is meant to be for the athlete?s own
protection, ensuring that chemicals that show up in a urine sample can
be traced back to legitimate medications. If you have to take
prescription medications -- whether they could lead to a positive
doping test or not -- additional forms are necessary to show that
there is a real medical need for the medication. This includes anti-
depressants and other medications used to treat emotional issues,
meaning you have to be willing to make your entire life available to
anti-doping officials. The records are confidential, but it can still
be a very personal and uncomfortable experience for athletes.
Do you think Lindsay Lohan would accept these regulations to maintain
her eligibility to star in movies?
Even with these policies in place, athletes manage to find ways to
cheat and they're decisions reflect poorly on all the athletes who are
clean and vigilant about keeping their anti-doping forms updated.
Sometimes you'll hear athletes complain about the hassle and invasion
of privacy, but the most part they're just frustrated by the
inconvenience of the process and the fact that it's necessary in the
first place. Given a moment to step back and put the anti-doping
policies in perspective, every elite athlete I know sees the out-of-
competition tests and medical forms as essential parts of catching
cheaters and demonstrating their commitment to training and competing
without performance-enhancing drugs.
read this?
remember this was the routine but discovery and sanction I don't
remember until EPO substitutes began between stages.
The Hassle Of Being Clean
By Chris Carmichael
Whenever I hear about another Hollywood celebrity complaining about
their lack of privacy, I wonder how they'd feel about being an elite
athlete. Celebrities have their share of hassles, but at least they're
allowed to disappear and not tell anyone where they're going. If
you're an elite athlete, you don't have that privilege.
If you have the ability, and choose to be an elite athlete in any
sport within the Olympic movement, you are required to notify anti-
doping officials of your whereabouts every day of the year. When Lance
Armstrong was racing, you can only imagine how difficult it was to
keep up with the paperwork. His travel schedule was packed all year
long, and many of his trips were quick, last-minute flights here or
there for speaking engagements or activities and meetings for his
foundation. While you're in the middle of it, it gets to be a hassle
and sometimes it's very frustrating. However, Lance and everyone
around him supported the anti-doping regulations and understood that
complete transparency was an essential part of making the system work.
Anti-doping officials need to know your whereabouts at all times so
they can administer unannounced, out-of-competition tests. And they
have a habit of showing up at inconvenient times, but when they show
up you can't really ask them to go away and come back later. Once
they've made contact with you, they have to stay with you until the
test is complete.
I've spoken with a lot of athletes in Colorado Springs who have
returned from long training rides to find the US Anti-Doping Agency
sitting on their front porches. They need a urine sample, which isn't
always an easy thing to provide right after five hours on a bicycle.
And so, you get to sit around drinking water with the anti-doping
officials for a while until you can produce a sufficient sample. Sound
like fun? It gets better.
Unlike giving a urine sample at the doctor's office, anti-doping
officials can?t just hand you a cup and let you go to the bathroom by
yourself. They have to observe the entire process to ensure that
you're not giving them a sample of someone else's urine. They follow
you into the bathroom, make you raise your shirt to your chest and
lower your pants to below your knees, and watch as you fill the sample
cup. Fortunately, they are respectful enough to have women observe
women and men observe men.
And your exposure is not limited to the urine tests. Every medication
you consume, including simple over-the-counter medications like
ibuprofen and Pepto Bismol, must be documented and submitted to anti-
doping officials. If you eat a bad tuna sandwich, they get to know
about it. This regulation is meant to be for the athlete?s own
protection, ensuring that chemicals that show up in a urine sample can
be traced back to legitimate medications. If you have to take
prescription medications -- whether they could lead to a positive
doping test or not -- additional forms are necessary to show that
there is a real medical need for the medication. This includes anti-
depressants and other medications used to treat emotional issues,
meaning you have to be willing to make your entire life available to
anti-doping officials. The records are confidential, but it can still
be a very personal and uncomfortable experience for athletes.
Do you think Lindsay Lohan would accept these regulations to maintain
her eligibility to star in movies?
Even with these policies in place, athletes manage to find ways to
cheat and they're decisions reflect poorly on all the athletes who are
clean and vigilant about keeping their anti-doping forms updated.
Sometimes you'll hear athletes complain about the hassle and invasion
of privacy, but the most part they're just frustrated by the
inconvenience of the process and the fact that it's necessary in the
first place. Given a moment to step back and put the anti-doping
policies in perspective, every elite athlete I know sees the out-of-
competition tests and medical forms as essential parts of catching
cheaters and demonstrating their commitment to training and competing
without performance-enhancing drugs.
A
alex beascoechea
Guest
"RonSonic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Two articles about current events:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1873402/posts
>
> "However, Pound said: "This investigation may have gone away in Spain but
> we are
> currently working with the UCI on going through 6,000 pages of
> documentation
> gathered from the Operation Puerto investigation." "
>
>
>>http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-contador-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> "BERLIN (AP) -- German authorities said Tuesday they have received
> documents
> from doping expert Werner Franke which he claims show Tour de France
> winner
> Alberto Contador was involved in doping.
>
> Franke said he has documents from last year's Operation Puerto doping
> investigation in Spain which show that Contador, a Spaniard who won the
> doping-marred Tour on Sunday, had taken HMG-Lepori as a testosterone
> booster and
> an asthma product called TGN. "
>
>
> What the hell kind of privacy rights do you Europeans have? Any?
>
> Is this sort of thing normal over there?
>
> Ron
I think it is more alarming the following quote in the same article:
--------------------
Franke apparently has acquired other documents, saying only he got them "in
my briefcase" while Spanish police weren't watching.
"I have the things in front of me; I can directly decipher them, what
(drugs) were taken, because I also am in possession of the records of the
house search of this Dr. Fuentes," Franke said.
--------------------
Is the guy saying Mr. Franke had illicit access to the documentation that
was under police custody and that could have been part of the investigation?
But, really, it sounds much more that Franke is just trying to infalte his
own ego.
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Two articles about current events:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1873402/posts
>
> "However, Pound said: "This investigation may have gone away in Spain but
> we are
> currently working with the UCI on going through 6,000 pages of
> documentation
> gathered from the Operation Puerto investigation." "
>
>
>>http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-contador-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> "BERLIN (AP) -- German authorities said Tuesday they have received
> documents
> from doping expert Werner Franke which he claims show Tour de France
> winner
> Alberto Contador was involved in doping.
>
> Franke said he has documents from last year's Operation Puerto doping
> investigation in Spain which show that Contador, a Spaniard who won the
> doping-marred Tour on Sunday, had taken HMG-Lepori as a testosterone
> booster and
> an asthma product called TGN. "
>
>
> What the hell kind of privacy rights do you Europeans have? Any?
>
> Is this sort of thing normal over there?
>
> Ron
I think it is more alarming the following quote in the same article:
--------------------
Franke apparently has acquired other documents, saying only he got them "in
my briefcase" while Spanish police weren't watching.
"I have the things in front of me; I can directly decipher them, what
(drugs) were taken, because I also am in possession of the records of the
house search of this Dr. Fuentes," Franke said.
--------------------
Is the guy saying Mr. Franke had illicit access to the documentation that
was under police custody and that could have been part of the investigation?
But, really, it sounds much more that Franke is just trying to infalte his
own ego.
A
alex beascoechea
Guest
"RonSonic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Two articles about current events:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1873402/posts
>
> "However, Pound said: "This investigation may have gone away in Spain but
> we are
> currently working with the UCI on going through 6,000 pages of
> documentation
> gathered from the Operation Puerto investigation." "
>
>
>>http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-contador-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> "BERLIN (AP) -- German authorities said Tuesday they have received
> documents
> from doping expert Werner Franke which he claims show Tour de France
> winner
> Alberto Contador was involved in doping.
>
> Franke said he has documents from last year's Operation Puerto doping
> investigation in Spain which show that Contador, a Spaniard who won the
> doping-marred Tour on Sunday, had taken HMG-Lepori as a testosterone
> booster and
> an asthma product called TGN. "
>
>
> What the hell kind of privacy rights do you Europeans have? Any?
>
> Is this sort of thing normal over there?
>
> Ron
I think it is more alarming the following quote in the same article:
--------------------
Franke apparently has acquired other documents, saying only he got them "in
my briefcase" while Spanish police weren't watching.
"I have the things in front of me; I can directly decipher them, what
(drugs) were taken, because I also am in possession of the records of the
house search of this Dr. Fuentes," Franke said.
--------------------
Is the guy saying Mr. Franke had illicit access to the documentation that
was under police custody and that could have been part of the investigation?
But, really, it sounds much more that Franke is just trying to infalte his
own ego.
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Two articles about current events:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1873402/posts
>
> "However, Pound said: "This investigation may have gone away in Spain but
> we are
> currently working with the UCI on going through 6,000 pages of
> documentation
> gathered from the Operation Puerto investigation." "
>
>
>>http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-contador-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> "BERLIN (AP) -- German authorities said Tuesday they have received
> documents
> from doping expert Werner Franke which he claims show Tour de France
> winner
> Alberto Contador was involved in doping.
>
> Franke said he has documents from last year's Operation Puerto doping
> investigation in Spain which show that Contador, a Spaniard who won the
> doping-marred Tour on Sunday, had taken HMG-Lepori as a testosterone
> booster and
> an asthma product called TGN. "
>
>
> What the hell kind of privacy rights do you Europeans have? Any?
>
> Is this sort of thing normal over there?
>
> Ron
I think it is more alarming the following quote in the same article:
--------------------
Franke apparently has acquired other documents, saying only he got them "in
my briefcase" while Spanish police weren't watching.
"I have the things in front of me; I can directly decipher them, what
(drugs) were taken, because I also am in possession of the records of the
house search of this Dr. Fuentes," Franke said.
--------------------
Is the guy saying Mr. Franke had illicit access to the documentation that
was under police custody and that could have been part of the investigation?
But, really, it sounds much more that Franke is just trying to infalte his
own ego.
D
datakoll
Guest
On Aug 1, 1:22 pm, "alex beascoechea" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "RonSonic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Two articles about current events:
>
> >http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1873402/posts
>
> > "However, Pound said: "This investigation may have gone away in Spain but
> > we are
> > currently working with the UCI on going through 6,000 pages of
> > documentation
> > gathered from the Operation Puerto investigation." "
>
> >>http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-contador-doping&prov=ap&type=...
>
> > "BERLIN (AP) -- German authorities said Tuesday they have received
> > documents
> > from doping expert Werner Franke which he claims show Tour de France
> > winner
> > Alberto Contador was involved in doping.
>
> > Franke said he has documents from last year's Operation Puerto doping
> > investigation in Spain which show that Contador, a Spaniard who won the
> > doping-marred Tour on Sunday, had taken HMG-Lepori as a testosterone
> > booster and
> > an asthma product called TGN. "
>
> > What the hell kind of privacy rights do you Europeans have? Any?
>
> > Is this sort of thing normal over there?
>
> > Ron
>
> I think it is more alarming the following quote in the same article:
> --------------------
> Franke apparently has acquired other documents, saying only he got them "in
> my briefcase" while Spanish police weren't watching.
>
> "I have the things in front of me; I can directly decipher them, what
> (drugs) were taken, because I also am in possession of the records of the
> house search of this Dr. Fuentes," Franke said.
>
> --------------------
>
> Is the guy saying Mr. Franke had illicit access to the documentation that
> was under police custody and that could have been part of the investigation?
> But, really, it sounds much more that Franke is just trying to infalte his
> own ego.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
you have a "bad attitude" - the UCI actually allows you to make a
million $$$ in relative peace and harmony, without UCI you'd be back
to that cycling movie.
the "reports from europe" probabbly parallel the National Enquirer
wrote:
> "RonSonic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Two articles about current events:
>
> >http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1873402/posts
>
> > "However, Pound said: "This investigation may have gone away in Spain but
> > we are
> > currently working with the UCI on going through 6,000 pages of
> > documentation
> > gathered from the Operation Puerto investigation." "
>
> >>http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-contador-doping&prov=ap&type=...
>
> > "BERLIN (AP) -- German authorities said Tuesday they have received
> > documents
> > from doping expert Werner Franke which he claims show Tour de France
> > winner
> > Alberto Contador was involved in doping.
>
> > Franke said he has documents from last year's Operation Puerto doping
> > investigation in Spain which show that Contador, a Spaniard who won the
> > doping-marred Tour on Sunday, had taken HMG-Lepori as a testosterone
> > booster and
> > an asthma product called TGN. "
>
> > What the hell kind of privacy rights do you Europeans have? Any?
>
> > Is this sort of thing normal over there?
>
> > Ron
>
> I think it is more alarming the following quote in the same article:
> --------------------
> Franke apparently has acquired other documents, saying only he got them "in
> my briefcase" while Spanish police weren't watching.
>
> "I have the things in front of me; I can directly decipher them, what
> (drugs) were taken, because I also am in possession of the records of the
> house search of this Dr. Fuentes," Franke said.
>
> --------------------
>
> Is the guy saying Mr. Franke had illicit access to the documentation that
> was under police custody and that could have been part of the investigation?
> But, really, it sounds much more that Franke is just trying to infalte his
> own ego.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
you have a "bad attitude" - the UCI actually allows you to make a
million $$$ in relative peace and harmony, without UCI you'd be back
to that cycling movie.
the "reports from europe" probabbly parallel the National Enquirer
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