Drink more beer.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Jet said:

work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job)

[censored]. Are days longer where you live?

Well 8+12 = 20, plus 4 hours sleep. I may have exaggerated a little -
probably was closer to 8 hours at my regular job then work from 5pm until
2am on the consult.

jj

On 25 Jul 2005 10:40:51 -0700, "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich said:

The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

Dumbass -

I don't know that Masters Fatties qualify as athletes.

Dumbass!

Masters Fatties are the REAL athletes. Not those skinny young punks who are only
the larval form of the Fatty Master.

Real athletes KNOW they'd be faster if the obsessed over every bite of food and
trained year round and by the time they're Masters Fatties they know better than
to do this. Once upon a time all athletes had this wisdom and the peloton would
share wine and cigarettes and eat grand meals. Those days are over and only the
Fatties Masters know to enjoy it all.

Ron

On 25 Jul 2005 10:40:51 -0700, "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich said:

The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

Dumbass -

I don't know that Masters Fatties qualify as athletes.

Dumbass!

Masters Fatties are the REAL athletes. Not those skinny young punks who are only
the larval form of the Fatty Master.

Real athletes KNOW they'd be faster if the obsessed over every bite of food and
trained year round and by the time they're Masters Fatties they know better than
to do this. Once upon a time all athletes had this wisdom and the peloton would
share wine and cigarettes and eat grand meals. Those days are over and only the
Fatties Masters know to enjoy it all.

Ron

On 25 Jul 2005 10:40:51 -0700, "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich said:

The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

Dumbass -

I don't know that Masters Fatties qualify as athletes.

Dumbass!

Masters Fatties are the REAL athletes. Not those skinny young punks who are only
the larval form of the Fatty Master.

Real athletes KNOW they'd be faster if the obsessed over every bite of food and
trained year round and by the time they're Masters Fatties they know better than
to do this. Once upon a time all athletes had this wisdom and the peloton would
share wine and cigarettes and eat grand meals. Those days are over and only the
Fatties Masters know to enjoy it all.

Ron

On 25 Jul 2005 10:40:51 -0700, "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich said:

The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

Dumbass -

I don't know that Masters Fatties qualify as athletes.

Dumbass!

Masters Fatties are the REAL athletes. Not those skinny young punks who are only
the larval form of the Fatty Master.

Real athletes KNOW they'd be faster if the obsessed over every bite of food and
trained year round and by the time they're Masters Fatties they know better than
to do this. Once upon a time all athletes had this wisdom and the peloton would
share wine and cigarettes and eat grand meals. Those days are over and only the
Fatties Masters know to enjoy it all.

Ron

On 25 Jul 2005 10:40:51 -0700, "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich said:

The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

Dumbass -

I don't know that Masters Fatties qualify as athletes.

Dumbass!

Masters Fatties are the REAL athletes. Not those skinny young punks who are only
the larval form of the Fatty Master.

Real athletes KNOW they'd be faster if the obsessed over every bite of food and
trained year round and by the time they're Masters Fatties they know better than
to do this. Once upon a time all athletes had this wisdom and the peloton would
share wine and cigarettes and eat grand meals. Those days are over and only the
Fatties Masters know to enjoy it all.

Ron

On 25 Jul 2005 10:40:51 -0700, "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich said:

The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

Dumbass -

I don't know that Masters Fatties qualify as athletes.

Dumbass!

Masters Fatties are the REAL athletes. Not those skinny young punks who are only
the larval form of the Fatty Master.

Real athletes KNOW they'd be faster if the obsessed over every bite of food and
trained year round and by the time they're Masters Fatties they know better than
to do this. Once upon a time all athletes had this wisdom and the peloton would
share wine and cigarettes and eat grand meals. Those days are over and only the
Fatties Masters know to enjoy it all.

Ron

Jet said:

Mark Janeba said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich wrote:

>The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
>Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

I don't think the point was "healthy" vs "junk" food. I think the issue
was to eat something that hadn't been weighed, something that wasn't on
a short list of "safe" foods guaranteed not to cause digestive problems,
etc. - to eat whatever came to mind without having to think it through,
just once. Freedom from a seriously constrained diet.

Mark

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

Jet said:

Mark Janeba said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich wrote:

>The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
>Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

I don't think the point was "healthy" vs "junk" food. I think the issue
was to eat something that hadn't been weighed, something that wasn't on
a short list of "safe" foods guaranteed not to cause digestive problems,
etc. - to eat whatever came to mind without having to think it through,
just once. Freedom from a seriously constrained diet.

Mark

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

Jet said:

Mark Janeba said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich wrote:

>The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
>Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

I don't think the point was "healthy" vs "junk" food. I think the issue
was to eat something that hadn't been weighed, something that wasn't on
a short list of "safe" foods guaranteed not to cause digestive problems,
etc. - to eat whatever came to mind without having to think it through,
just once. Freedom from a seriously constrained diet.

Mark

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

Jet said:

Mark Janeba said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich wrote:

>The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
>Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

I don't think the point was "healthy" vs "junk" food. I think the issue
was to eat something that hadn't been weighed, something that wasn't on
a short list of "safe" foods guaranteed not to cause digestive problems,
etc. - to eat whatever came to mind without having to think it through,
just once. Freedom from a seriously constrained diet.

Mark

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

Jet said:

Mark Janeba said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich wrote:

>The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
>Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

I don't think the point was "healthy" vs "junk" food. I think the issue
was to eat something that hadn't been weighed, something that wasn't on
a short list of "safe" foods guaranteed not to cause digestive problems,
etc. - to eat whatever came to mind without having to think it through,
just once. Freedom from a seriously constrained diet.

Mark

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

Jet said:

Mark Janeba said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich wrote:

>The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
>Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

I don't think the point was "healthy" vs "junk" food. I think the issue
was to eat something that hadn't been weighed, something that wasn't on
a short list of "safe" foods guaranteed not to cause digestive problems,
etc. - to eat whatever came to mind without having to think it through,
just once. Freedom from a seriously constrained diet.

Mark

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

Mark Janeba said:

Quoted message said:

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

There are actually chemicals that are released as part of the digestive
cycle that make you insatiably hungry. (Called 'ghrelins', I believe) When
you've been not getting enough nutrients they peak making it hard to do
'starvation dieting'.

But for someone that gets used to eating 5,6,7,8 thousand calories even in
the off-season, ya gotta wonder if that takes a toll. On the digestive
system, on the 'set-point', you name it. Fortunately, at 33 he's still very
young. Interesting though how pro cycling seems to age your face, though.
He looks a lot older this year than even 3 years ago.

We'll see, I guess. I'm betting/hoping he'll get bored of the 'kids' and go
into pro triathlons and have another career there and as a master. OK,
maybe a selfish hope - b/c then we'll get to see more Lance! ;-)

jj

Mark Janeba said:

Quoted message said:

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

There are actually chemicals that are released as part of the digestive
cycle that make you insatiably hungry. (Called 'ghrelins', I believe) When
you've been not getting enough nutrients they peak making it hard to do
'starvation dieting'.

But for someone that gets used to eating 5,6,7,8 thousand calories even in
the off-season, ya gotta wonder if that takes a toll. On the digestive
system, on the 'set-point', you name it. Fortunately, at 33 he's still very
young. Interesting though how pro cycling seems to age your face, though.
He looks a lot older this year than even 3 years ago.

We'll see, I guess. I'm betting/hoping he'll get bored of the 'kids' and go
into pro triathlons and have another career there and as a master. OK,
maybe a selfish hope - b/c then we'll get to see more Lance! ;-)

jj

Mark Janeba said:

Quoted message said:

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

There are actually chemicals that are released as part of the digestive
cycle that make you insatiably hungry. (Called 'ghrelins', I believe) When
you've been not getting enough nutrients they peak making it hard to do
'starvation dieting'.

But for someone that gets used to eating 5,6,7,8 thousand calories even in
the off-season, ya gotta wonder if that takes a toll. On the digestive
system, on the 'set-point', you name it. Fortunately, at 33 he's still very
young. Interesting though how pro cycling seems to age your face, though.
He looks a lot older this year than even 3 years ago.

We'll see, I guess. I'm betting/hoping he'll get bored of the 'kids' and go
into pro triathlons and have another career there and as a master. OK,
maybe a selfish hope - b/c then we'll get to see more Lance! ;-)

jj

Mark Janeba said:

Quoted message said:

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

There are actually chemicals that are released as part of the digestive
cycle that make you insatiably hungry. (Called 'ghrelins', I believe) When
you've been not getting enough nutrients they peak making it hard to do
'starvation dieting'.

But for someone that gets used to eating 5,6,7,8 thousand calories even in
the off-season, ya gotta wonder if that takes a toll. On the digestive
system, on the 'set-point', you name it. Fortunately, at 33 he's still very
young. Interesting though how pro cycling seems to age your face, though.
He looks a lot older this year than even 3 years ago.

We'll see, I guess. I'm betting/hoping he'll get bored of the 'kids' and go
into pro triathlons and have another career there and as a master. OK,
maybe a selfish hope - b/c then we'll get to see more Lance! ;-)

jj

Mark Janeba said:

Quoted message said:

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

There are actually chemicals that are released as part of the digestive
cycle that make you insatiably hungry. (Called 'ghrelins', I believe) When
you've been not getting enough nutrients they peak making it hard to do
'starvation dieting'.

But for someone that gets used to eating 5,6,7,8 thousand calories even in
the off-season, ya gotta wonder if that takes a toll. On the digestive
system, on the 'set-point', you name it. Fortunately, at 33 he's still very
young. Interesting though how pro cycling seems to age your face, though.
He looks a lot older this year than even 3 years ago.

We'll see, I guess. I'm betting/hoping he'll get bored of the 'kids' and go
into pro triathlons and have another career there and as a master. OK,
maybe a selfish hope - b/c then we'll get to see more Lance! ;-)

jj

Mark Janeba said:

Quoted message said:

In addition it seems typical that once one stops the athletic activity they
don't necessarily stop the consumption of 'mass quantities'. That's how I
once gained 60lbs. I stopped the running biking and swimming and weight
training to work 12 hours a day (in addition to my regular job) on a
computer consulting job but didn't realize - or didn't think about -
changing my food intake.

I agree that turning off the conveyor belt of food to the mouth is hard.
After all, in training/racing, these guys gotta eat like vacuum
cleaners to get enough calories of the right kind (e.g. not all beer).

While I think he will suceed, it would be interesting to know *how*
Armstrong will avoid blimping - keeping up a heavy amount of exercise,
massively cutting intake, or both. Come to think of it, that's
information massive numbers of (us) Americans could use.

Mark

There are actually chemicals that are released as part of the digestive
cycle that make you insatiably hungry. (Called 'ghrelins', I believe) When
you've been not getting enough nutrients they peak making it hard to do
'starvation dieting'.

But for someone that gets used to eating 5,6,7,8 thousand calories even in
the off-season, ya gotta wonder if that takes a toll. On the digestive
system, on the 'set-point', you name it. Fortunately, at 33 he's still very
young. Interesting though how pro cycling seems to age your face, though.
He looks a lot older this year than even 3 years ago.

We'll see, I guess. I'm betting/hoping he'll get bored of the 'kids' and go
into pro triathlons and have another career there and as a master. OK,
maybe a selfish hope - b/c then we'll get to see more Lance! ;-)

jj

"Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Tom Kunich said:

The very first thing on his mind will have to be Shinier Bock and
Burritos.

Actually many athletes who change to a healthier lifestyle don't really
miss the food and drink they used to consume. Personally for example,
attempting to eat fatty greasy meat such as for example in hamburgers
makes me feel distinctly ill.

And yet after 35 years of healthy food eating I still look forward to my
once a year Giant Burger, Fries and Milkshake.