Drop bar shapes for new brake levers

mtb Dad said:

I recall seeing an ad for sram levers showing a bar that had a flat
upper portion that matched well with the hood shape for a straight
transition; ie no sliding down the 'tops' onto the hoods. Anyone
recall what bars might offer this? I prefer a traditonal rounded (non
ergo) bar. Thanks

http://tinyurl.com/2bbc9m

The Nitto Noodle's got some classy curves, and set up right, the
transition area should mate up nicely. I used to ride Ritchey Biomax
bars, which are great up top, but the drops are awful.

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mtb Dad said:

I recall seeing an ad for sram levers showing a bar that had a flat
upper portion that matched well with the hood shape for a straight
transition; ie no sliding down the 'tops' onto the hoods. Anyone
recall what bars might offer this? I prefer a traditonal rounded (non
ergo) bar. Thanks

http://tinyurl.com/2bbc9m

The Nitto Noodle's got some classy curves, and set up right, the
transition area should mate up nicely. I used to ride Ritchey Biomax
bars, which are great up top, but the drops are awful.

I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
42 width.
I'll look up a price if you're interested.
-tom

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mtb Dad said:

I recall seeing an ad for sram levers showing a bar that had a flat
upper portion that matched well with the hood shape for a straight
transition; ie no sliding down the 'tops' onto the hoods.  Anyone
recall what bars might offer this? I prefer a traditonal rounded (non
ergo) bar.  Thanks

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/2bbc9m

Quoted message said:

The Nitto Noodle's got some classy curves, and set up right, the
transition area should mate up nicely. I used to ride Ritchey Biomax
bars, which are great up top, but the drops are awful.

I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
It's been used very lightly.  25.4mm dia. clamp.
42 width.
I'll look up a price if you're interested.
-tom

Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
top.

I currently use a Cinelli Campione del mondo mod 66, which is fairly
deep (165mm maybe?), which I like, other than the sloping top to my
old dura ace 8 speed levers. Would Sram Rival levers allow a flat
transition, or do I need to change bars?

Deda Newton's deep bars seem to have the flat top, but are only 145
deep.

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mtb Dad said:

I recall seeing an ad for sram levers showing a bar that had a flat
upper portion that matched well with the hood shape for a straight
transition; ie no sliding down the 'tops' onto the hoods. Anyone
recall what bars might offer this? I prefer a traditonal rounded (non
ergo) bar. Thanks

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/2bbc9m

Quoted message said:

The Nitto Noodle's got some classy curves, and set up right, the
transition area should mate up nicely. I used to ride Ritchey Biomax
bars, which are great up top, but the drops are awful.

I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
42 width.
I'll look up a price if you're interested.
-tom

Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
top.

I currently use a Cinelli Campione del mondo mod 66, which is fairly
deep (165mm maybe?), which I like, other than the sloping top to my
old dura ace 8 speed levers. Would Sram Rival levers allow a flat
transition, or do I need to change bars?

Deda Newton's deep bars seem to have the flat top, but are only 145
deep.

I also have a set of Cinelli mod 66 deep drop bar, the clamp size is
26.4 clamp.
Mod. 64 was the shallow drop version.
Mod 65 was the criterium.
My Nitto's are flat with no upsweep center, the best part is, you also
get a good flat area if you position the brake levers just right.
When selecting drop bars, make sure you have the clamp dia. to fit
your stem. 25.4, 26.0 26.4
-tom

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On Jan 8, 3:29 pm, mtb Dad <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I recall seeing an ad for sram levers showing a bar that had a flat
> upper portion that matched well with the hood shape for a straight
> transition; ie no sliding down the 'tops' onto the hoods. Anyone
> recall what bars might offer this? I prefer a traditonal rounded (non
> ergo) bar. Thanks
http://tinyurl.com/2bbc9m
The Nitto Noodle's got some classy curves, and set up right, the
transition area should mate up nicely. I used to ride Ritchey Biomax
bars, which are great up top, but the drops are awful.

I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
42 width.
I'll look up a price if you're interested.
-tom

Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
top.

I currently use a Cinelli Campione del mondo mod 66, which is fairly
deep (165mm maybe?), which I like, other than the sloping top to my
old dura ace 8 speed levers. Would Sram Rival levers allow a flat
transition, or do I need to change bars?

Deda Newton's deep bars seem to have the flat top, but are only 145
deep.

I also have a set of Cinelli mod 66 deep drop bar, the clamp size is
26.4 clamp.
Mod. 64 was the shallow drop version.
Mod 65 was the criterium.
My Nitto's are flat with no upsweep center, the best part is, you also
get a good flat area if you position the brake levers just right.
When selecting drop bars, make sure you have the clamp dia. to fit
your stem. 25.4, 26.0 26.4
-tom

I use Ritchey Biomax bars. I've never noticed that the drops are "awful"
but then I don't spend that much time in them, I mostly ride on the
hoods or (when I'm climbing, which is a lot of the time) on the flats.

I also have found that classic randonneur bars (like the Nitto B-135)
give a pretty good transition from bar to hood.

Some of the smoothness of the transition is of course due to the design
of the lever bodies. Classic non-aero brake levers were really bad in
that respect, but newer integrated brake/shift levers and some newer
brake levers (like the Tektro "Ergo" levers) are much better.

Mike Johnson

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On Jan 8, 3:29 pm, mtb Dad <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I recall seeing an ad for sram levers showing a bar that had a flat
> upper portion that matched well with the hood shape for a straight
> transition; ie no sliding down the 'tops' onto the hoods.  Anyone
> recall what bars might offer this? I prefer a traditonal rounded (non
> ergo) bar.  Thanks

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http://tinyurl.com/2bbc9m

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Quoted message said:

The Nitto Noodle's got some classy curves, and set up right, the
transition area should mate up nicely. I used to ride Ritchey Biomax
bars, which are great up top, but the drops are awful.

Quoted message said:

I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
It's been used very lightly.  25.4mm dia. clamp.
42 width.
I'll look up a price if you're interested.
-tom

Thanks to both.  re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
top.

I currently use a Cinelli Campione del mondo mod 66, which is fairly
deep (165mm maybe?), which I like, other than the sloping top to my
old dura ace 8 speed levers.  Would Sram Rival levers allow a flat
transition, or do I need to change bars?

Deda Newton's deep bars seem to have the flat top, but are only 145
deep.

Compared Deda 215's Deep, to blue Cinelli Top Ergo 66's (non-ergo
bend, both of them).

The Top Ergo is supposed to resemble the old 66's; I don't know where
my old 66's are if I still have them, so I can't verify that.

Whatever, the Deda's have a much flatter top section, where you are
going from the first bend away from the center section to the actual
curve down.

Also, about the same drop, similar curve shape in the forward curve
proper, but a little more reach (without appropriate jigs, etc., any
"measurements" would be approximate).

Those are both double-groove bars.

FWIW, I tried to "go ergo", taking off the Deda's which I liked for
their flat tops and "shelf" they made with carefully positioned
brifters, as well as for a familiar round, non-lumpy place to grab
onto, and then real tails toward the ends (even compared to 3ttt
Forma's, which have longer tails than some ergo-bend bars). Old dog,
old tricks: Deda's are going back on. They're light, too <g>. --D-y

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> On Jan 8, 3:29 pm, mtb Dad <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> I recall seeing an ad for sram levers showing a bar that had a flat
>> upper portion that matched well with the hood shape for a straight
>> transition; ie no sliding down the 'tops' onto the hoods. Anyone
>> recall what bars might offer this? I prefer a traditonal rounded (non
>> ergo) bar. Thanks
>http://tinyurl.com/2bbc9m
> The Nitto Noodle's got some classy curves, and set up right, the
> transition area should mate up nicely. I used to ride Ritchey Biomax
> bars, which are great up top, but the drops are awful.
I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
42 width.
I'll look up a price if you're interested.
-tom

Quoted message said:

Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
top.

Quoted message said:

I currently use a Cinelli Campione del mondo mod 66, which is fairly
deep (165mm maybe?), which I like, other than the sloping top to my
old dura ace 8 speed levers. Would Sram Rival levers allow a flat
transition, or do I need to change bars?

Quoted message said:

Deda Newton's deep bars seem to have the flat top, but are only 145
deep.

Quoted message said:

I also have a set of Cinelli mod 66 deep drop bar, the clamp size is
26.4 clamp.
Mod. 64 was the shallow drop version.
Mod 65 was the criterium.
My Nitto's are flat with no upsweep center, the best part is, you also
get a good flat area if you position the brake levers just right.
When selecting drop bars, make sure you have the clamp dia. to fit
your stem. 25.4, 26.0 26.4
-tom

I use Ritchey Biomax bars. I've never noticed that the drops are "awful"
but then I don't spend that much time in them,

They don't have any good flats for when ya need to stay in the drops
in long headwinds and such. The hooks are pretty secure for
descending, for sure. I'm currently using moustache bars, but if I
switch back to drops it will be to neo-traditional Nitto Noodles.

mtb Dad said:

On Jan 8, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
42 width.
I'll look up a price if you're interested.
-tom

Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
top.

I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's an
optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe 5
degrees.

The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

Nitto makes good stuff.

Hank said:

mtb Dad said:

Tom Nakashima said:

I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
42 width.
I'll look up a price if you're interested.
-tom

Quoted message said:

Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
top.

I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's an
optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe 5
degrees.

The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

Nitto makes good stuff.

And here's a URL, $25.50 at JensonUSA:
http://tinyurl.com/3dtj3w

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mtb Dad said:

On Jan 8, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
42 width.
I'll look up a price if you're interested.
-tom

Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
top.

I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's an
optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe 5
degrees.

The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

Nitto makes good stuff.

Yes Hank,
you are correct, they are indeed Nitto 115's, nice review of the bar, btw.
Nitto also makes a matching stem in 25.4 which resembles the Cinelli 1A.
Likewise, great for restoration of vintage 60's- early 80's.

One thing I noticed about riding the vintage bikes between the 60's-80's.
They are still great riding bikes, one can build them light depending on the
components you chose, however weight of the bike is not a concern for me.
They're easy to maintain. I can still ride them fast, although other riders
don't seem to want to engage in a race, but rather admire the look of the
vintage. Quite different when I rode a 1st edition Trek Madone for one
season, seemed like everyone and their mother wanted to race. One can still
get parts pretty cheap for the older frames once you look past Campagnolo &
Cinelli, as other companies like Nitto are present.

I also noticed, not only my generation of riders, ones who actually rode
through that era, but younger rides are starting to restore the older bikes.
I enjoy chatting and helping the young because they actually ride the bike.
-tom

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Hank said:

mtb Dad said:

On Jan 8, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
42 width.
I'll look up a price if you're interested.
-tom

Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
top.

I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's an
optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe 5
degrees.

The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

Nitto makes good stuff.

140 mm drop is shallow compared to the classics.
I expect more for my riding.
Can anybody provide the exact measurement protocol
to determine drop?

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

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Hank said:

mtb Dad said:

On Jan 8, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
> It's been used very lightly.  25.4mm dia. clamp.
> 42 width.
> I'll look up a price if you're interested.
> -tom

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Quoted message said:

Thanks to both.  re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
top.

Quoted message said:

I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's an
optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe 5
degrees.

Quoted message said:

The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

Quoted message said:

Nitto makes good stuff.

140 mm drop is shallow compared to the classics.
I expect more for my riding.
Can anybody provide the exact measurement protocol
to determine drop?

--
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I agree. Just measued my old 66's and they are 160mm drop, c to c.
Deda Newtons 'deep' are 145mm.

Not sure if it's a protocol, but I measure drop by laying the bar
hooks down on a flat surface, and measure up to the bottom of the bar,
for c to c. For reach, lay flat, but with front of bar against a
wall. Measure from wall to front of bar for c to c.

Now, if I can just find a 160 mm deep bar, with a flat 'ramp' (as
rivendell calls it), and around 100mm of reach, in silver, that works
with 8 speed dura ace levers for a flat hand position....

L

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On Jan 8, 2:11 pm, mtb Dad <[email hidden]> wrote:

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On Jan 8, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
> It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
> 42 width.
> I'll look up a price if you're interested.
> -tom

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Quoted message said:

Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
top.

Quoted message said:

I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's an
optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe 5
degrees.

Quoted message said:

The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

Quoted message said:

Nitto makes good stuff.

And here's a URL, $25.50 at JensonUSA:http://tinyurl.com/3dtj3w

Doh, forgot about that one! Cheep, and a true classic! May have to
fire up the Visacard...

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Hank said:

On Jan 8, 10:13 pm, Hank <[email hidden]> wrote:

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On Jan 8, 2:11 pm, mtb Dad <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> On Jan 8, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
> > It's been used very lightly.  25.4mm dia. clamp.
> > 42 width.
> > I'll look up a price if you're interested.
> > -tom

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> Thanks to both.  re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
> top.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's an
optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe 5
degrees.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Nitto makes good stuff.

Quoted message said:

And here's a URL, $25.50 at JensonUSA:http://tinyurl.com/3dtj3w

Doh, forgot about that one! Cheep, and a true classic! May have to
fire up the Visacard...

That *is* a nice bar: no useless grooves and a classic, gimmick-free
bend. And rationally priced. What's not to like? :-)

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> On Jan 8, 2:11 pm, mtb Dad <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > On Jan 8, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > > I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
> > > It's been used very lightly.  25.4mm dia. clamp.
> > > 42 width.
> > > I'll look up a price if you're interested.
> > > -tom

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> > Thanks to both.  re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
> > top.

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> I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
> Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's an
> optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe5
> degrees.

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> The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
> stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
> about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
> bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
> the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
> 1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

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> Nitto makes good stuff.

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And here's a URL, $25.50 at JensonUSA:http://tinyurl.com/3dtj3w

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Doh, forgot about that one! Cheep, and a true classic! May have to
fire up the Visacard...

That *is* a nice bar: no useless grooves and a classic, gimmick-free
bend. And rationally priced. What's not to like? :-)- Hide quoted text -

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Just wandering aorund the Universal site and noticed this description:
"Classic bend leaves more space for riders forearms when in drops
(better for sprinters) "

Made me wonder if a bar with more reach interferes with the forearms
when sprinting, standing, holding the drops. Could this me why my
Cinelli 66's had a relatvely short reach of 80 mm, vs the 100 on the
Nitto noodle etc?

http://tinyurl.com/3dtj3w

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On Jan 9, 10:40 am, Ozark Bicycle

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> > > On Jan 8, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > > > I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
> > > > It's been used very lightly.  25.4mm dia. clamp.
> > > > 42 width.
> > > > I'll look up a price if you're interested.
> > > > -tom

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> > > Thanks to both.  re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
> > > top.

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> > I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
> > Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's an
> > optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe 5
> > degrees.

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> > The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
> > stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
> > about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
> > bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
> > the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
> > 1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

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> > Nitto makes good stuff.

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> And here's a URL, $25.50 at JensonUSA:http://tinyurl.com/3dtj3w

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Doh, forgot about that one! Cheep, and a true classic! May have to
fire up the Visacard...

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That *is* a nice bar: no useless grooves and a classic, gimmick-free
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Just wandering aorund the Universal site and noticed this description:
"Classic bend leaves more space for riders forearms when in drops
(better for sprinters) "

Made me wonder if a bar with more reach interferes with the forearms
when sprinting, standing, holding the drops.  Could this me why my
Cinelli 66's had a relatvely short reach of 80 mm, vs the 100 on the
Nitto noodle etc?

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Possibly- The Cinelli bend made more sense when levers were
perpendicularly clamped to the bar. The slope was easier to rest your
hand against. Bars like the Noodle, the 115 and the Biomax get around
this by having a slight flare - nothing like on a Randonneur bar or
DirtDrops, but enough so your wrists don't bump against the top bends.
IIRC, that's Chalo's big gripe about drop bars, that the tops bumped
his wrists when he was in the drops.

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Ozark Bicycle said:

landotter said:

On Jan 9, 12:16 am, Hank <[email hidden]> wrote:

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On Jan 8, 10:13 pm, Hank <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> On Jan 8, 2:11 pm, mtb Dad <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > On Jan 8, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > > I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
> > > It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
> > > 42 width.
> > > I'll look up a price if you're interested.
> > > -tom

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> > Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept
> > centre-
> > top.

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> I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
> Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's
> an
> optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe
> 5
> degrees.

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> The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
> stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
> about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
> bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
> the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
> 1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

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> Nitto makes good stuff.

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And here's a URL, $25.50 at JensonUSA:http://tinyurl.com/3dtj3w

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Doh, forgot about that one! Cheep, and a true classic! May have to
fire up the Visacard...

That *is* a nice bar: no useless grooves and a classic, gimmick-free
bend. And rationally priced. What's not to like? :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just wandering aorund the Universal site and noticed this description:
"Classic bend leaves more space for riders forearms when in drops
(better for sprinters) "

Made me wonder if a bar with more reach interferes with the forearms
when sprinting, standing, holding the drops. Could this me why my
Cinelli 66's had a relatvely short reach of 80 mm, vs the 100 on the
Nitto noodle etc?

http://tinyurl.com/3dtj3w

I think handlebars are one of the most selected personal part of the
bicycle. When riding with the club, I've seen many different styles of
bends,
I also like the Cinelli Mod. 66. I set them at high the peak of the limit
of the stem so I can ride comfortably when on the top portion of the bar. I
also enjoy the deep bend when riding in the drops.

I use the Cinelli steel pista bar (bend similar to the Mod 65 criterium)
on my track bike.
-tom

Tom Nakashima said:

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On Jan 9, 10:40 am, Ozark Bicycle

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On Jan 9, 12:26 pm, landotter <[email hidden]> wrote:

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On Jan 9, 12:16 am, Hank <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> On Jan 8, 10:13 pm, Hank <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > On Jan 8, 2:11 pm, mtb Dad <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > On Jan 8, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > > > I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
> > > > It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
> > > > 42 width.
> > > > I'll look up a price if you're interested.
> > > > -tom

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> > > Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept
> > > centre-
> > > top.

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> > I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
> > Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's
> > an
> > optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe
> > 5
> > degrees.

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> > The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
> > stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
> > about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
> > bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
> > the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
> > 1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

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> > Nitto makes good stuff.

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> And here's a URL, $25.50 at JensonUSA:http://tinyurl.com/3dtj3w

Quoted message said:

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Doh, forgot about that one! Cheep, and a true classic! May have to
fire up the Visacard...

Quoted message said:

That *is* a nice bar: no useless grooves and a classic, gimmick-free
bend. And rationally priced. What's not to like? :-)- Hide quoted text -

Quoted message said:

- Show quoted text -

Just wandering aorund the Universal site and noticed this description:
"Classic bend leaves more space for riders forearms when in drops
(better for sprinters) "

Made me wonder if a bar with more reach interferes with the forearms
when sprinting, standing, holding the drops.

All things being equal, sure.

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Could this me why my
Cinelli 66's had a relatvely short reach of 80 mm, vs the 100 on the
Nitto noodle etc?

I dunno about that, but seems to me that for the average putz that
isn't competing, adjusting the bars to a sane height will do more to
alleviate forearm interference than anything else.

land "m-stash bars 2" above saddle" otter

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landotter said:

Hank said:

Hank said:

On Jan 8, 2:11 pm, mtb Dad <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> On Jan 8, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > I think I have one, Nitto flat area drop bar.
> > It's been used very lightly. 25.4mm dia. clamp.
> > 42 width.
> > I'll look up a price if you're interested.
> > -tom

Quoted message said:

> Thanks to both. re Nitto, I don't think I'd like the upswept centre-
> top.

Quoted message said:

I think Tom's talking about the Nitto 115, which is much like the
Noodle, but doesn't bend back towards you (not upwards, BTW, that's an
optical illusion). It still has the VERY slight outward flare, maybe 5
degrees.

Quoted message said:

The 115's a fantastic bar, especially when pairing with old Cinelli
stems, as 25.4 to 26.4 seatpost shims are widely available. And it's
about half the price of the Noodle. I've got Noodles on two of my
bikes, and Ritchey Biomaxes on another, but I was so impressed with
the 115s I used for restoring my mom's old bike (which had a Cinelli
1A) that it will be my bar of choice going forward.

Quoted message said:

Nitto makes good stuff.

And here's a URL, $25.50 at JensonUSA:http://tinyurl.com/3dtj3w

Doh, forgot about that one! Cheep, and a true classic! May have to
fire up the Visacard...

I do not call them `classic' because of the shallow 140 mm drop.

--
Michael Press