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  1. From the Sunday Telegraph:

    "Nandrolone testing under a cloud
    By Simon Hart
    (Filed: 29/05/2005)

    In pictures: Drugs in sport

    New research has cast doubt over the accuracy of the test for nandrolone,
    the banned anabolic steroid, and raised the possibility that some athletes
    suspended for failing dope tests could have been wrongfully punished.

    A confidential directive sent by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) to
    their accredited testing laboratories, a copy of which has been seen by The
    Sunday Telegraph, warns that the recent discovery of a phenomenon known as
    "unstable urine" could invalidate a positive finding for the muscle-building
    steroid - one of the most commonly detected banned drugs in sport.

    The agency admit there is now evidence nandrolone, or its related compounds
    19-NA and 19-NE, can form spontaneously after an athlete's urine sample has
    been taken away for testing. Research is still being carried out to try to
    explain the chemical reaction but it could be the result of bacterial
    degradation of naturally occurring hormones.

    In the meantime, WADA have instructed laboratories to carry out "stability
    tests" on urine samples that have a high density, an indicator of
    instability, and low concentrations of 19-NA and 19-NE. They have been asked
    to report any relevant cases immediately.

    The agency have also taken the unprecedented step of raising the threshold
    for a positive nandrolone finding from two to 10 nanograms per millilitre of
    urine in samples shown to be unstable. Previously, the 2ng limit was set in
    stone and, under the strict liability rule, any nandrolone reading above
    this level was automatically recorded as a positive drug test, whatever the
    athlete's explanation. Although WADA believe instances of unstable urine are
    "rare," they admit several new cases have recently come to light. If their
    laboratories discover more examples, the credibility of the agency's testing
    procedures could be under threat.

    Simon Davis, a British authority on dope-testing, said he believed the new
    findings could have a bearing on as many as 70 per cent of positive
    nandrolone cases. He said: "Further research is undoubtedly needed but if
    the leaked document is correct, at a minimum all nandrolone positives with
    high sg's [specific gravity, or density] and two to 10ng concentration must
    be rescinded as a matter of urgency."

    The latest discovery revives memories of the case of British middle-distance
    runner Diane Modahl, who proved that high levels of testosterone detected in
    her sample in the mid-Nineties were the result of a bacterial reaction due
    to poor refrigeration of her sample container. Since nandrolone came to
    prominence in the late Nineties, numerous high-profile athletes have been
    banned for testing positive for low levels of the steroid. Among the first
    was Britain's Dougie Walker, a former European 200 metres champion who
    served a two-year ban, and 400m runner Mark Richardson, whose suspension was
    cut to a year after he proved that supplements he had been taking had been
    contaminated with the drug.

    More recently, Greg Rusedski and seven other professional tennis players
    recorded nandrolone levels fractionally above 2ng but well below 10ng. All
    were subsequently cleared by a tribunal after successfully arguing that
    contaminated electrolytes handed out by trainers working for the Association
    of Tennis Professionals were to blame.

    WADA strongly criticised the ATP and said the players' exoneration was
    "greatly disturbing" because it undermined the principle of strict
    liability, whereby an athlete is solely responsible for what he or she
    consumes. Ironically, the new research findings have now forced the agency
    to accept nandrolone levels even higher than those recorded by the tennis
    players, blowing another hole in their zero-tolerance wall.

    For some athletes, however, the scientific breakthrough is too late. Walker,
    who always protested his innocence, has now retired from athletics and
    declined to discuss his case, though it is understood the sample he provided
    in 1998 showed some of the typical features now associated with unstable
    urine.

    But it is unlikely he will have any legal recourse since any athlete seeking
    compensation would almost certainly have to prove that their urine sample
    was undeniably unstable - something that would be impossible since
    instability tests were not carried out at the time.

    Sports lawyer Nick Bitel, who represented Walker during his disciplinary
    hearings, said: "My real issue with the anti-doping system is that it is
    based on the scientific knowledge of the day and no matter what the experts
    say now, they will find new things out later. Nandrolone is one of the best
    examples of this.

    "Many years ago they said it didn't occur naturally in people, full-stop.
    Then they said it occurred only in pregnant women. Then they said it
    occurred in small quantities in men. What worries me is that we are
    classifying people as cheats based on scientific knowledge as it is at the
    moment, and this is what I think happened to Dougie Walker. He was a great
    athlete who had his career truncated through no fault of his own. It is very
    sad.""

  2. "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    From the Sunday Telegraph:

    "Nandrolone testing under a cloud
    By Simon Hart
    (Filed: 29/05/2005)

    In pictures: Drugs in sport

    New research has cast doubt over the accuracy of the test for nandrolone,
    the banned anabolic steroid, and raised the possibility that some athletes
    suspended for failing dope tests could have been wrongfully punished.

    A confidential directive sent by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) to
    their accredited testing laboratories, a copy of which has been seen by
    The Sunday Telegraph, warns that the recent discovery of a phenomenon
    known as "unstable urine" could invalidate a positive finding for the
    muscle-building steroid - one of the most commonly detected banned drugs
    in sport.

    The agency admit there is now evidence nandrolone, or its related
    compounds 19-NA and 19-NE, can form spontaneously after an athlete's urine
    sample has been taken away for testing. Research is still being carried
    out to try to explain the chemical reaction but it could be the result of
    bacterial degradation of naturally occurring hormones.

    In the meantime, WADA have instructed laboratories to carry out "stability
    tests" on urine samples that have a high density, an indicator of
    instability, and low concentrations of 19-NA and 19-NE. They have been
    asked to report any relevant cases immediately.

    The agency have also taken the unprecedented step of raising the threshold
    for a positive nandrolone finding from two to 10 nanograms per millilitre
    of urine in samples shown to be unstable. Previously, the 2ng limit was
    set in stone and, under the strict liability rule, any nandrolone reading
    above this level was automatically recorded as a positive drug test,
    whatever the athlete's explanation. Although WADA believe instances of
    unstable urine are "rare," they admit several new cases have recently come
    to light. If their laboratories discover more examples, the credibility of
    the agency's testing procedures could be under threat.

    Simon Davis, a British authority on dope-testing, said he believed the new
    findings could have a bearing on as many as 70 per cent of positive
    nandrolone cases. He said: "Further research is undoubtedly needed but if
    the leaked document is correct, at a minimum all nandrolone positives with
    high sg's [specific gravity, or density] and two to 10ng concentration
    must be rescinded as a matter of urgency."

    The latest discovery revives memories of the case of British
    middle-distance runner Diane Modahl, who proved that high levels of
    testosterone detected in her sample in the mid-Nineties were the result of
    a bacterial reaction due to poor refrigeration of her sample container.
    Since nandrolone came to prominence in the late Nineties, numerous
    high-profile athletes have been banned for testing positive for low levels
    of the steroid. Among the first was Britain's Dougie Walker, a former
    European 200 metres champion who served a two-year ban, and 400m runner
    Mark Richardson, whose suspension was cut to a year after he proved that
    supplements he had been taking had been contaminated with the drug.

    More recently, Greg Rusedski and seven other professional tennis players
    recorded nandrolone levels fractionally above 2ng but well below 10ng. All
    were subsequently cleared by a tribunal after successfully arguing that
    contaminated electrolytes handed out by trainers working for the
    Association of Tennis Professionals were to blame.

    WADA strongly criticised the ATP and said the players' exoneration was
    "greatly disturbing" because it undermined the principle of strict
    liability, whereby an athlete is solely responsible for what he or she
    consumes. Ironically, the new research findings have now forced the agency
    to accept nandrolone levels even higher than those recorded by the tennis
    players, blowing another hole in their zero-tolerance wall.

    For some athletes, however, the scientific breakthrough is too late.
    Walker, who always protested his innocence, has now retired from athletics
    and declined to discuss his case, though it is understood the sample he
    provided in 1998 showed some of the typical features now associated with
    unstable urine.

    But it is unlikely he will have any legal recourse since any athlete
    seeking compensation would almost certainly have to prove that their urine
    sample was undeniably unstable - something that would be impossible since
    instability tests were not carried out at the time.

    Sports lawyer Nick Bitel, who represented Walker during his disciplinary
    hearings, said: "My real issue with the anti-doping system is that it is
    based on the scientific knowledge of the day and no matter what the
    experts say now, they will find new things out later. Nandrolone is one of
    the best examples of this.

    "Many years ago they said it didn't occur naturally in people, full-stop.
    Then they said it occurred only in pregnant women. Then they said it
    occurred in small quantities in men. What worries me is that we are
    classifying people as cheats based on scientific knowledge as it is at the
    moment, and this is what I think happened to Dougie Walker. He was a great
    athlete who had his career truncated through no fault of his own. It is
    very sad.""

    The Nandrolone issue has been going on for quite a few years. I used to
    have a study saved on my computer (crashed though) that showed that a good
    number of athletes had natural levels substancially above the level to test
    positive
    Dave

  3. Andy Coggan wrote:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2005/05/29/sodrug29.xml

    That's the stuff Moninger was positive for.

  4. "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    From the Sunday Telegraph:

    "Nandrolone testing under a cloud
    By Simon Hart
    (Filed: 29/05/2005)

    Snip-

    Ah, maybe Luperini 45 day suspension for Nandrolone was unjust.

    B-

  5. Andy Coggan said:

    From the Sunday Telegraph:

    "Nandrolone testing under a cloud

    When the german 5000m olympics gold medallist, an outspoken
    critique of doping, got suspended for Nandrolone use, I got the
    suspsision that something must be wrong here:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/athletics/news/1999/12/04/baumann_toothpaste_ap/

    This guy doesn't look like a steroid abuser.

  6. Ernst Noch said:
    Andy Coggan said:

    From the Sunday Telegraph:

    "Nandrolone testing under a cloud

    When the german 5000m olympics gold medallist, an outspoken
    critique of doping, got suspended for Nandrolone use, I got the
    suspsision that something must be wrong here:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/athletics/news/1999/12/04/baumann_toothpaste_ap/

    This guy doesn't look like a steroid abuser.

    Nandrolone is degraded in the gut - it is an injectable steroid. Eating it
    would be unlikely to cause elevated levels in the blood at 10 times the
    acceptable limit (24ng/dl) even if the guy had just had a tooth pulled, and
    his gums were bleeding, and he was brushing his teeth 10 times a day and
    swallowing the toothpase, especially given the small concentration in the
    whole tube of toothpaste. (I'm assuming it was 2K ng in the whole tube)

    As the investigating agency, I'd want to first rule out that he injected
    some one of his doses into the toothpaste tube (and crossed his fingers and
    waited), after learning he had failed a test.

    I would hope he's not dumb enough to have suggested ways that it could have
    happed as sabotage. Most people in the sport take a fair amount of care
    that their food or gear is not handled by others. (I think this was
    mentioned that Lemonde did this during his last TdF win fearing this might
    happening to him. But I think such things are extremely risky to do to
    someone and unlikely to be a realisic fear.)

    Nandrolone also has a relatively short half-life. It's ideal for use in the
    off season, since it can drop off within 4 weeks to levels under the
    cut-off.

    I'm not sure what you mean by 'doesn't look like a steriod abuser'. Steroid
    use aids in recovery and slows or prevents muscle/protein breakdown due to
    exercise and normal catabolism. It also allows better uptake of protein as
    long as there is ample supply in the diet. It won't give you big biceps or
    even big muscles unless you weight train them.

    jj

  7. "Jet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ernst Noch said:
    Andy Coggan said:

    From the Sunday Telegraph:

    "Nandrolone testing under a cloud

    When the german 5000m olympics gold medallist, an outspoken
    critique of doping, got suspended for Nandrolone use, I got the
    suspsision that something must be wrong here:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/athletics/news/1999/12/04/baumann_toothpaste_ap/

    This guy doesn't look like a steroid abuser.

    Nandrolone is degraded in the gut - it is an injectable steroid. Eating it
    would be unlikely to cause elevated levels in the blood at 10 times the
    acceptable limit (24ng/dl) even if the guy had just had a tooth pulled,
    and
    his gums were bleeding, and he was brushing his teeth 10 times a day and
    swallowing the toothpase, especially given the small concentration in the
    whole tube of toothpaste. (I'm assuming it was 2K ng in the whole tube)

    As the investigating agency, I'd want to first rule out that he injected
    some one of his doses into the toothpaste tube (and crossed his fingers
    and
    waited), after learning he had failed a test.

    I would hope he's not dumb enough to have suggested ways that it could
    have
    happed as sabotage. Most people in the sport take a fair amount of care
    that their food or gear is not handled by others. (I think this was
    mentioned that Lemonde did this during his last TdF win fearing this might
    happening to him. But I think such things are extremely risky to do to
    someone and unlikely to be a realisic fear.)

    Nandrolone also has a relatively short half-life. It's ideal for use in
    the
    off season, since it can drop off within 4 weeks to levels under the
    cut-off.

    Yeah but it is detectable for up to 18 months

    Quoted message said:


    I'm not sure what you mean by 'doesn't look like a steriod abuser'.
    Steroid
    use aids in recovery and slows or prevents muscle/protein breakdown due to
    exercise and normal catabolism. It also allows better uptake of protein as
    long as there is ample supply in the diet. It won't give you big biceps or
    even big muscles unless you weight train them

    Nandrolone by itself has never been a drug for gaining mass or size, it is
    typically stacked with other Steroids to gain size. Cyclists used it in the
    days before the strict testing not only for recovery but it will enhance you
    endurance and has been known to stimulate RBC production

    Dave

    Quoted message said:
  8. Ernst Noch said:


    Andy Coggan said:

    From the Sunday Telegraph:

    "Nandrolone testing under a cloud

    When the german 5000m olympics gold medallist, an outspoken
    critique of doping, got suspended for Nandrolone use, I got the
    suspsision that something must be wrong here:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/athletics/news/1999/12/04/baumann_toothpaste_ap/

    This guy doesn't look like a steroid abuser.

    I am not infallible, but that is not dependent upon the drugs I happen
    to be testing.

    "I've tested a lot of drugs, but I don't think it should be mandatory."
    -- weed smoker Bill "Spaceman" Lee on mandatory drug testing in baseball

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    keynes' old slave said:
    Ernst Noch said:


    Andy Coggan said:

    From the Sunday Telegraph:

    "Nandrolone testing under a cloud

    When the german 5000m olympics gold medallist, an outspoken
    critique of doping, got suspended for Nandrolone use, I got the
    suspsision that something must be wrong here:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/athletics/news/1999/12/04/baumann_toothpaste_ap/

    This guy doesn't look like a steroid abuser.

    I am not infallible, but that is not dependent upon the drugs I happen
    to be testing.

    "I've tested a lot of drugs, but I don't think it should be mandatory."
    -- weed smoker Bill "Spaceman" Lee on mandatory drug testing in baseball

    Weed smoker? Not half! Bill Lee pitched a no-hitter
    while totally under the influence of LSD.

    --
    Michael Press

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