drugged up ex-biker

http://www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=1352

Shame that he has to resort to that to make ends meet.

--
Matt

Fear of a flat planet

On 2004-05-13, Westie penned:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm. The cops did a sweep around my local area a few weeks ago and
netted some sophisticated setups too. Amongst them were the local
Plumber, a couple of my regulars in the bar and a local farmer. The
local farmer was reasonably well-off - now we know why.

The plumber has been sent to jail for two years and his property has
been seized. He had a hydroponics unit and had USD$250 000 worth
growing there. It seems a shame that he spent so much time doing that
because there is high demand for a good plumber in our area and he
wasn't often available. In fact I was having to nag at him to
complete some work for me. It'll never be finished now :-(

From what I've seen, growing dope to 'make ends meet' is not ever a
very good excuse. If the same guys spent as much time and effort on
legal activities as they do on illegal ones they'd be financially
sound and wouldn't need to grow and sell the stuff. It's more about
greed and, if you don't think that you'll get caught, good easy money.

My take on it is, it sucks that my (our) taxpayer money is being wasted
on sting operations against -- get this -- people growing plants!

Were these people caught torturing puppies? Sneaking drugs into
people's food? Cheating on their taxes? No. They were caught ...
growing plants.

Jesus H. Christ.

Another point to ponder -- if pot weren't illegal, it would likely be a
lot less profitable, and your plumber might have actually been available
for his day job. Maybe.

--
monique

"Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It seems a shame that he spent so much time doing that because there is

high

Quoted message said:

demand for a good plumber

tough to meet with a no good high plumber!

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2004-05-13, Westie penned:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm. The cops did a sweep around my local area a few weeks ago and
netted some sophisticated setups too. Amongst them were the local
Plumber, a couple of my regulars in the bar and a local farmer. The
local farmer was reasonably well-off - now we know why.

My take on it is, it sucks that my (our) taxpayer money is being
wasted on sting operations against -- get this -- people growing
plants!

With the confiscation laws that we have I think that it might turn into a
profitable little operation for the police.

Quoted message said:

Were these people caught torturing puppies? Sneaking drugs into
people's food? Cheating on their taxes? No. They were caught ...
growing plants.

Jesus H. Christ.

It seems to me that people only get into trouble with it when they are
involved in growing it on a large scale, or it turns up when the police
search them while investigating other things.

Quoted message said:

Another point to ponder -- if pot weren't illegal, it would likely be
a lot less profitable, and your plumber might have actually been
available for his day job. Maybe.

True. Maybe.
Personally, I'm pretty neutral about the whole pot debate. Professionally I
could do without it as it causes problems at work. There's the usual big
debate from time to time over here to decriminalise pot and treat it as,
what would you call it?, a misdemeanour with instant fines but no permanent
criminal record. As it is I'm happy with the status quo. I work in a cafe
and bar and when you mix dope and alcohol together you can get some
interesting situations that I'd rather not have to deal with. Most people
handle it OK, but only a week ago I had a guy that got so off his nut all he
could say was "...gugh..." and wander zombie like around the bar knocking
tables over and pissing people off before we escorted him to his room -
where he wouldn't stay. Not to mention the people that simply don't like
secondhand pot smoke and it's implications. I'm happy with something that
helps keep it out and away from my establishment as much as possible.

Anyway, that's a whole 'nother debate. Still a shame that someone that did
well with the biking ended up getting caught supplying drugs.
--
Westie
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Westie said:

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2004-05-13, Westie penned:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm. The cops did a sweep around my local area a few weeks ago and
netted some sophisticated setups too. Amongst them were the local
Plumber, a couple of my regulars in the bar and a local farmer. The
local farmer was reasonably well-off - now we know why.

My take on it is, it sucks that my (our) taxpayer money is being
wasted on sting operations against -- get this -- people growing
plants!

I totally agree. Seems like a big waste of resources. It pisses me off that
I pay for that when education is so under-funded.

Quoted message said:

True. Maybe.
Personally, I'm pretty neutral about the whole pot debate.
Professionally I could do without it as it causes problems at work.
There's the usual big debate from time to time over here to
decriminalise pot and treat it as, what would you call it?, a
misdemeanour with instant fines but no permanent criminal record. As
it is I'm happy with the status quo. I work in a cafe and bar and
when you mix dope and alcohol together you can get some interesting
situations that I'd rather not have to deal with. Most people handle
it OK, but only a week ago I had a guy that got so off his nut all he
could say was "...gugh..." and wander zombie like around the bar
knocking tables over and pissing people off before we escorted him to
his room - where he wouldn't stay. Not to mention the people that
simply don't like secondhand pot smoke and it's implications. I'm
happy with something that helps keep it out and away from my
establishment as much as possible.

Lots of things are bad with heavy drinking, which I think is more likely to
cause problems than most other popular intoxicants. That also doesn't sound
like stoner behavior. It would be much more likely for someone to mix pot
with their booze and go home to make a pizza and sleep instead of goingout
to make trouble.
That's much more like coke/meth with alcohol behavior from my observations.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, that's a whole 'nother debate. Still a shame that someone
that did well with the biking ended up getting caught supplying drugs.

It is a shame no matter what your views. Also even though I disagree with
the laws, I know thay are the laws. It's a big risk to have such an
operation that people know thay are taking. A bad idea for sure. He'll be
living with the consequences for a long time.

Matt

Matthew Paterson said:

http://www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=1352

Shame that he has to resort to that to make ends meet.

What makes you think he's making ends meet with them?

You'd be surprised just how much pot one, and a "few" good friends, can
ingest. My best friend's dad used to have two 55 gal plastic trash cans
delivered (approx every month), jam packed with buds. And yes, he
dealed, but a lot of it was personal use. Not to mention, we were
popular in Jr. High (hehehe), and the first kids in our hood to own one
of these http://420auction.com/images/hookahpipe.jpg

See, all that pot smoking at a young age didn't adversely effect me!
--
Slacker

MattB said:

Westie said:

Personally, I'm pretty neutral about the whole pot debate.
Professionally I could do without it as it causes problems at work.
There's the usual big debate from time to time over here to
decriminalise pot and treat it as, what would you call it?, a
misdemeanour with instant fines but no permanent criminal record. As
it is I'm happy with the status quo. I work in a cafe and bar and
when you mix dope and alcohol together you can get some interesting
situations that I'd rather not have to deal with. Most people handle
it OK, but only a week ago I had a guy that got so off his nut all he
could say was "...gugh..." and wander zombie like around the bar
knocking tables over and pissing people off before we escorted him to
his room - where he wouldn't stay. Not to mention the people that
simply don't like secondhand pot smoke and it's implications. I'm
happy with something that helps keep it out and away from my
establishment as much as possible.

Lots of things are bad with heavy drinking, which I think is more
likely to cause problems than most other popular intoxicants.

There's no doubt that heavy drinking causes problems and is a pain in the
[censored] to deal with. At least here we have fairly strict liquor laws and it's
relatively easy to control the consumption and level of drunkeness in a well
run bar. True enough, most just mellow out on the dope - but not everyone
especially if it's a party atmosphere. Having to deal with intoxicated
people is bad enough but add drugs to it and there's whole other dimension.
That includes the reactions of the other customers and the reputation it
brings to the place. I'm not talking about the social consequences or
ethics or the effects on the community in a wider sense; I'm just talking
about working in a bar late at night :-)
(Don't get me started on the other drugs like e and crystal meth! )

Quoted message said:

That
also doesn't sound like stoner behavior. It would be much more likely
for someone to mix pot with their booze and go home to make a pizza
and sleep instead of goingout to make trouble.
That's much more like coke/meth with alcohol behavior from my
observations.

Sorry. It was dope. But one hell of a lot of it. He was only in town for
the night and got hanging out with some locals that I know well and who only
ever smoke dope. They headed out back (beer garden with benches and seating
around back) and smoked up large. This guy apparently sucked it down like
he was a drowning man gasping for breath. Result? Alcohol + lotsa pot =
brain tried emergency shutdown but forgot to tell his body.

--
Westie
(Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

"Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2004-05-13, Westie penned:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm. The cops did a sweep around my local area a few weeks ago and
netted some sophisticated setups too. Amongst them were the local
Plumber, a couple of my regulars in the bar and a local farmer. The
local farmer was reasonably well-off - now we know why.

My take on it is, it sucks that my (our) taxpayer money is being
wasted on sting operations against -- get this -- people growing
plants!

With the confiscation laws that we have I think that it might turn into a
profitable little operation for the police.

Quoted message said:

Were these people caught torturing puppies? Sneaking drugs into
people's food? Cheating on their taxes? No. They were caught ...
growing plants.

Jesus H. Christ.

It seems to me that people only get into trouble with it when they are
involved in growing it on a large scale, or it turns up when the police
search them while investigating other things.

Quoted message said:

Another point to ponder -- if pot weren't illegal, it would likely be
a lot less profitable, and your plumber might have actually been
available for his day job. Maybe.

True. Maybe.
Personally, I'm pretty neutral about the whole pot debate. Professionally

I

Quoted message said:

could do without it as it causes problems at work. There's the usual big
debate from time to time over here to decriminalise pot and treat it as,
what would you call it?, a misdemeanour with instant fines but no

permanent

Quoted message said:

criminal record. As it is I'm happy with the status quo. I work in a

cafe

Quoted message said:

and bar and when you mix dope and alcohol together you can get some
interesting situations that I'd rather not have to deal with. Most people
handle it OK, but only a week ago I had a guy that got so off his nut all

he

Quoted message said:

could say was "...gugh..." and wander zombie like around the bar knocking
tables over and pissing people off before we escorted him to his room -
where he wouldn't stay. Not to mention the people that simply don't like
secondhand pot smoke and it's implications. I'm happy with something that
helps keep it out and away from my establishment as much as possible.

Anyway, that's a whole 'nother debate. Still a shame that someone that

did

Quoted message said:

well with the biking ended up getting caught supplying drugs.

DUUUUDE! Whassup with all the negs man? I mean, like, live and let live,
right? Like, yaknow, do it if ya wanna, don't if ya don't wanna, yaknow?

Shaun aRe
--

O
O
0
o
,
'Ere - ~===U

"Slacker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Matthew Paterson said:

http://www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=1352

Shame that he has to resort to that to make ends meet.

What makes you think he's making ends meet with them?

You'd be surprised just how much pot one, and a "few" good friends, can
ingest. My best friend's dad used to have two 55 gal plastic trash cans
delivered (approx every month), jam packed with buds. And yes, he
dealed, but a lot of it was personal use. Not to mention, we were
popular in Jr. High (hehehe), and the first kids in our hood to own one
of these http://420auction.com/images/hookahpipe.jpg

See, all that pot smoking at a young age didn't adversely effect me!

Word dude!

Tokie?

O
O
0
o
,
'Ere - ~===U

',;~}~

Heheheheh...

Shaun aRe

puff, puff, pass.....

Quoted message said:

From what I've seen, growing dope to 'make ends meet' is not ever a very
good excuse. If the same guys spent as much time and effort on legal
activities as they do on illegal ones they'd be financially sound and
wouldn't need to grow and sell the stuff. It's more about greed and, if

you

Quoted message said:

don't think that you'll get caught, good easy money.

Most private folks who grow, do so for a few reasons, but mostly it is to
(1) feed thier own head and stop funding off-shore operations
(2) insure quality and a steady supply
(3) horticulture is a fun hobby, especially when you can eat (or in this
case smoke) the "fruits of your labor".

IMO, The small "home growers" who are cultivating for personal consumption
are not who we need to be targeting, it's the street dealers thier suppliers
and importers we need to go after.
If potheads want to sit around after work in the privacy of thier basement
and attic and trim off a fresh bud, roast it up and watch bad movies on
AMC.... As long as they don't get behind the wheel and drive 45 down the
passing lane of the highway, who cares?!?!?!?!?

But that is just my personal opinion.

"JG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

puff, puff, pass.....

Heh! Cheers Jon, don' min' if'n I does mate!

Tokie tokie?

O
O
0
o
,
'Ere - ~===U

',;~}~

Shaun aRe

JG said:

Quoted message said:

From what I've seen, growing dope to 'make ends meet' is not ever a
very good excuse. If the same guys spent as much time and effort on
legal activities as they do on illegal ones they'd be financially
sound and wouldn't need to grow and sell the stuff. It's more about
greed and, if you don't think that you'll get caught, good easy
money.

Most private folks who grow, do so for a few reasons, but mostly it
is to (1) feed thier own head and stop funding off-shore operations
(2) insure quality and a steady supply
(3) horticulture is a fun hobby, especially when you can eat (or in
this case smoke) the "fruits of your labor".

IMO, The small "home growers" who are cultivating for personal
consumption are not who we need to be targeting, it's the street
dealers thier suppliers and importers we need to go after.
If potheads want to sit around after work in the privacy of thier
basement and attic and trim off a fresh bud, roast it up and watch
bad movies on AMC.... As long as they don't get behind the wheel and
drive 45 down the passing lane of the highway, who cares?!?!?!?!?

But that is just my personal opinion.

It's almost like you know what you're talking about! 😉

I agree, but unfortunately those small-time growers can still have their
assets seized and children taken away on the principal that they were
growing and not just consuming. The way the laws are designed you're better
off (legally speaking) contributing to organized crime if you're interested
in acquiring some product.

Not that I have feelings about this issue or anything...

Matt (who me?)

Matthew Paterson said:

http://www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=1352

Shame that he has to resort to that to make ends meet.

Hard to get worked up about this when Meth and Meth labs are a huge
problem in the Four Corners area, not only for the users, but for the
general public who occasionally run into the disposed kits.
Perhaps this was the focus of the bust, but turned out to be something
else.
I wish they would focus there energies a little more appropriately!

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
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MattB said:

Lots of things are bad with heavy drinking, which I think is more likely to
cause problems than most other popular intoxicants. That also doesn't sound
like stoner behavior. It would be much more likely for someone to mix pot
with their booze and go home to make a pizza and sleep instead of goingout
to make trouble.
That's much more like coke/meth with alcohol behavior from my observations.

Generally speaking, people who are jerks while drinking/smoking are
jerks while sober, but often do a better job hiding it (while sober).

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
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"MattB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

JG said:

IMO, The small "home growers" who are cultivating for personal
consumption are not who we need to be targeting, it's the street
dealers thier suppliers and importers we need to go after.
If potheads want to sit around after work in the privacy of thier
basement and attic and trim off a fresh bud, roast it up and watch
bad movies on AMC.... As long as they don't get behind the wheel and
drive 45 down the passing lane of the highway, who cares?!?!?!?!?

But that is just my personal opinion.

It's almost like you know what you're talking about! 😉

Well, despite the fact I only got a "B" in the class, I did learn a few
things in the Drug Abuse and Law Enforcement class I took in in the Fall '03
Semester, as well as plenty of personal "on the job" experince. And it's no
secret, I did "experiment" once or twice in High School

Quoted message said:

I agree, but unfortunately those small-time growers can still have their
assets seized and children taken away on the principal that they were
growing and not just consuming.

Yes they can.

Quoted message said:

The way the laws are designed you're better
off (legally speaking) contributing to organized crime if you're

interested

Quoted message said:

in acquiring some product.

Sad isn't it?

Quoted message said:

Not that I have feelings about this issue or anything...

Just stay off the danmed roads!

JG wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

Just stay off the danmed roads!

Yes sir!

Matt

"Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Matthew Paterson said:

http://www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=1352

Shame that he has to resort to that to make ends meet.

Hmmm. The cops did a sweep around my local area a few weeks ago and netted
some sophisticated setups too. Amongst them were the local Plumber, a
couple of my regulars in the bar and a local farmer. The local farmer was
reasonably well-off - now we know why.

The plumber has been sent to jail for two years and his property has been
seized. He had a hydroponics unit and had USD$250 000 worth growing there.
It seems a shame that he spent so much time doing that because there is high
demand for a good plumber in our area and he wasn't often available. In
fact I was having to nag at him to complete some work for me. It'll never
be finished now :-(

From what I've seen, growing dope to 'make ends meet' is not ever a very
good excuse. If the same guys spent as much time and effort on legal
activities as they do on illegal ones they'd be financially sound and
wouldn't need to grow and sell the stuff. It's more about greed and, if you
don't think that you'll get caught, good easy money.

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/6069.0.html
/s

Shaun Rimmer said:

DUUUUDE! Whassup with all the negs man? I mean, like, live and let
live, right? Like, yaknow, do it if ya wanna, don't if ya don't
wanna, yaknow?

<laugh>
Like I said, Shaun. I got no problems with it outside of my work place.
Besides, I'd be foolish to comment on something that I have no personal
knowledge of, wouldn't I... ;-)
--
Westie
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