Dual Wheelset for CAAD4 mtn frame

In article <DyEmc.44289$kh4.2351169@attbi_s52>,

Stuart Harden said:

I have a Cannondale F700 with Spinergy Xyclone disc wheel-set and XTR
crank-set (XT rear derailleur).

My thought is to add a 700c road-tire wheel-set with to this system and am
eager to learn if the SHIMANO HG-50 9SP CASSETTE can attach to a 700c wheel
applicable to this CAAD4 frame thus preserving the gear ration and chain
fittings.

700c (road; ISO 622) wheels won't fit your F700. It's a mountain bike,
and takes 26" (MTB; ISO 559) wheels.

http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/02/ce/model-2fs7.html
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html

If you were desperate to do so, you could probably get a 622 wheel on
the front by switching to a road fork. Normally this would be a major
handling disaster, since the road wheel is rather bigger than an MTB
wheel, but because your bike has a front suspension fork, an unsuspended
road fork and wheel would probably keep the geometry somewhat close to
the original. But it would be really stupid, potentially sketchy, and
functionally pointless. It might be the starting point for a pretty
amusing chopper, but expensive Al XC MTBs are not a good starting point
for that sort of thing.

Quoted message said:

Any ideas?

use slick tires, which will make your bike much faster on the road
without compromising its geometry. If your taste for speed still isn't
satisfied, buy a road bike. But really, just get the slick tires.

On the off chance that what you want to do is use your gears on a road
wheel for some other bike, that's easily doable. Virtually every Shimano
8 or 9 speed hub is compatible with virtually every other Shimano 8 or 9
speed hub. The only reason some cassettes are designated "road" or
"mountain" is the suitability of the gears for a particular application.

Quoted message said:

Stuart

I have a memory of the CDale Bad Boy coming with the aforementioned
wheelsets, but have found little evidence to that effect...

That is because it wouldn't work.

http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/02/ce/model-2mrbb.html

The Bad Boy was a rigid MTB frame equipped with MTB (26"; ISO 559)
wheels running Hutchinson Top Slick 26 x 1.0" tires. That's a very
narrow treadless tire, and looks exactly like a moderate-to-racy road
tire except for the smaller overall diameter. If the 1.0" really does
mean a nominal width of about 25.4 mm, that would equate to the fattest
tire most road racers would admit to using, or the skinniest tire most
road bike tourists or commuters would be happy using. Being contrarian
and improvisational, I have 20 mm tires on my commuter and 25 mm tires
on my race bike. I should really do something about that.

The Bad Boy rims are conventional 32-hole mountain bike rims. I don't
know the Mavic X139, and don't care to look it up, so I don't know if
that's a tough rim or a relatively lightweight rim.

You could run those Top Slick tires on your bike (on any reasonably
narrow rims) and they would do what you seem to want. With the goofy
Spinergy wheels, you'd have a pretty wild-looking urban bike.

I'll show you all once I build my 7-speed Factory Kuwahara BMX,
--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

A 700x23 tire should fit fine. What width tire are you thinking of using?
Measure the outer diameter. Or just find one and install it to see if there
is clearance for the tire. I just looked at my CDale mtbike and a road
wheel fits. Of course you will need one with disk brakes. Some cyclocross
bikes now come with disk brakes so you might find some there or you might
need custom wheels.

Bruce

"Stuart Harden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I have a Cannondale F700 with Spinergy Xyclone disc wheel-set and XTR
crank-set (XT rear derailleur).

My thought is to add a 700c road-tire wheel-set with to this system and am
eager to learn if the SHIMANO HG-50 9SP CASSETTE can attach to a 700c

wheel

Quoted message said:

applicable to this CAAD4 frame thus preserving the gear ration and chain
fittings.

Any ideas?

Stuart

I have a memory of the CDale Bad Boy coming with the aforementioned
wheelsets, but have found little evidence to that effect...

On Thu, 06 May 2004 22:43:33 -0700, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

If you were desperate to do so, you could probably get a 622 wheel on
the front by switching to a road fork. Normally this would be a major
handling disaster, since the road wheel is rather bigger than an MTB
wheel, but because your bike has a front suspension fork, an unsuspended
road fork and wheel would probably keep the geometry somewhat close to
the original. But it would be really stupid, potentially sketchy, and
functionally pointless. It might be the starting point for a pretty
amusing chopper, but expensive Al XC MTBs are not a good starting point
for that sort of thing.

Used Cannondale road frames are an exceptional value. For <$350. You
can find both CAAD4 and CAAD5 frame/fork for those prices. My CAAD5
didn't get a bid of $385 on Ebay in 2 listings and it is almost
perfect. I'd expect to get <$300 for the CAAD4. New Optimo frames
can be bought for $650 and I saw a dealer on Ebay selling for $500.

Built up bikes sell for $650 regularly.

Stuart Harden said:

I have a Cannondale F700 with Spinergy Xyclone disc wheel-set and XTR
crank-set (XT rear derailleur).

My thought is to add a 700c road-tire wheel-set with to this system and am
eager to learn if the SHIMANO HG-50 9SP CASSETTE can attach to a 700c wheel
applicable to this CAAD4 frame thus preserving the gear ration and chain
fittings.

Any ideas?

Stuart

I have a memory of the CDale Bad Boy coming with the aforementioned
wheelsets, but have found little evidence to that effect...

This will work as long as you are currently using a 9 speed cassette and you are using
disc brakes (or plan to). You will most likely need to have a set of wheels custom built.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Paul Kopit said:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 22:43:33 -0700, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

If you were desperate to do so, you could probably get a 622 wheel on
the front by switching to a road fork. Normally this would be a major
handling disaster, since the road wheel is rather bigger than an MTB
wheel, but because your bike has a front suspension fork, an unsuspended
road fork and wheel would probably keep the geometry somewhat close to
the original. But it would be really stupid, potentially sketchy, and
functionally pointless. It might be the starting point for a pretty
amusing chopper, but expensive Al XC MTBs are not a good starting point
for that sort of thing.

Used Cannondale road frames are an exceptional value. For <$350. You
can find both CAAD4 and CAAD5 frame/fork for those prices. My CAAD5
didn't get a bid of $385 on Ebay in 2 listings and it is almost
perfect. I'd expect to get <$300 for the CAAD4. New Optimo frames
can be bought for $650 and I saw a dealer on Ebay selling for $500.

Built up bikes sell for $650 regularly.

Like I said, expensive Al XC MTBs 🙂. I paid C$400 for my XT-equipped
Kona Kilauea. Expensive is clearly relative.

I lust after a bike with a Lefty,
--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Quoted message said:

700c (road; ISO 622) wheels won't fit your F700. It's a mountain bike,
and takes 26" (MTB; ISO 559) wheels.

As others have pointed out, road wheels fit fine in an MTB as long as you're
using disc brakes. 622 and 559 are the rim widths, and the actual
wheel+tire sizes are somewhat close. My MTB wheel is actually larger in
overall circumference than my road wheel (26x2.4 vs. 700x23)

Original poster, make sure that you lace your wheels with a 3-cross, or if
you're heavier, 4-cross pattern. Although it may seem obvious, I wanted to
make sure, as some don't know. Also, make sure your axle is spaced for
135mm dropouts.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

ZeeExSixAre said:

Original poster, make sure that you lace your wheels with a 3-cross, or if
you're heavier, 4-cross pattern.

Why?

In article <[email hidden]>,

ZeeExSixAre said:

Quoted message said:

700c (road; ISO 622) wheels won't fit your F700. It's a mountain bike,
and takes 26" (MTB; ISO 559) wheels.

As others have pointed out, road wheels fit fine in an MTB as long as you're
using disc brakes. 622 and 559 are the rim widths, and the actual
wheel+tire sizes are somewhat close. My MTB wheel is actually larger in
overall circumference than my road wheel (26x2.4 vs. 700x23)

Original poster, make sure that you lace your wheels with a 3-cross, or if
you're heavier, 4-cross pattern. Although it may seem obvious, I wanted to
make sure, as some don't know. Also, make sure your axle is spaced for
135mm dropouts.

Lesson learned... I'll keep that in mind next time I open my big mouth
🙂.

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Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club