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"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message> We'll let the people reading decide. Yes. No. I'm frankly
> surprised you're citing the Arnold Press as somehow being
> dangerous. Care to point us to someone's opinion other than yours
> that it's a bad exercise?
>Steve, I recall getting into it with you a while back about
shoulders, I think you were recommending subluxing the shoulder on
bar hangs.No, Jim, this is absolutely not true. A subluxation is defined as as
"temporary, partial dislocation of the shoulder joint" and it's not
something I ever do or ever advocate anyone doing. I keep my
shoulders tight - firmly together, never relaxed on bar hangs and the
bottom position of pullups."I am not an expert in anatomy but I am also not aware of any tension
in my
shoulders when I hang. I hung from the bar for 1:40 the other day and
I
think I would have felt some fatigue in my shoulder muscles had I
been,
somehow, holding them in other than a relaxed position. "-Steve Freides, Dec 13 2003, 11:27 am
What is it the kids today say? Oh yeah...OWNED
You have changed the subject, you sly devil, you.🙂 We are talking
about the Arnold press on this thread and the amount of motion in the
shoulder joint it entails. You raised the issue of subluxation as it
relates to bar hangs for time - that's a separate issue. In answer to
that issue, I do keep some minimal tension in my shoulder joints in
order to keep them together. If I couldn't do that for time, and they
started getting lax as a result, I would not practice this movement at
all. When I hang from the bar for time I do try to minimize the amount
of effort I'm expending - when you do anything for time, that's a given.
But I do not recommend bar hangs for time for most people. Let me
repeat - I do not recommend bar hangs for time for most people. I don't
do them very often myself- when I work on them, it's for a few weeks and
then I put it away. (I do, however, find short bar hangs done regularly
throughout the day wonderful for my back.)
The basic question remains - is the Arnold press in any way a dangerous
movement, more dangerous than the venerable deadlit? I have yet to see
anything even remotely suggesting this is the case.