Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...

On 28 Mar 2004 09:21:21 GMT, Toby Joe <[email hidden]>

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The combined populations of New York City and of Los
Angeles:

some 11 and a half million people:

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What on earth does this have to do with alternative health??

Do you have an alternative to current treatment for AIDS??
Maybe you think colonics would help??

Take this to an HIV or political activism group.

Or better yet, instead of just posting, take some real
action. If you really care about this tragedy you would be
doing more than complaining about the inactivity of others.

Cue Toby to call me a bigot.

Aloha,

Rich

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<< Do you have an alternative to current treatment for
AIDS?? Maybe you think colonics would help?? >>

Actually many AIDS patients are finding relief with
Vitamin C, and other nutritional IV's. That's common
knowledge, Rich...

<< Take this to an HIV or political activism group. >>

Take your narrow mindedness to an appropriate newsgroup.

Why hasn't conventional medicine stepped up to the plate and
discovered a real cure? If I were you, Rich, and with all of
those people dead....I'd be damn ashamed of their lack of
concern.....

<< Or better yet, instead of just posting, take some real
action. If you really care about this tragedy you would be
doing more than complaining about the inactivity of
others. >>

Why don't you take some real action, and do some of which
you want Toby to do?

<< Cue Toby to call me a bigot. >>

Why don't you call yourself this?

"If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well dance."
(Jessie Winchester).

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Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
From: [email hidden] (DEBBEE1023)
Date: 3/28/2004 8:13 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Actually many AIDS patients are finding relief with Vitamin
C, and other nutritional IV's. That's common

"relief" ...of what?? does the viral load go down..or
disappear??

hawki.....

In article <[email hidden]>,

DEBBEE1023 said:

<< Do you have an alternative to current treatment for
AIDS?? Maybe you think colonics would help?? >>

Actually many AIDS patients are finding relief with
Vitamin C, and other nutritional IV's. That's common
knowledge, Rich... << Take this to an HIV or political
activism group. >>

Take your narrow mindedness to an appropriate newsgroup.

Why hasn't conventional medicine stepped up to the plate
and discovered a real cure? If I were you, Rich, and with
all of those people dead....I'd be damn ashamed of their
lack of concern.....

Gotta love that one, another keeper from Debbee the moron.
The fact that there is no cure for AIDS equates, in her tiny
mind, to a lack of trying or concern.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

coconut-connections.comhivandaids.htmOpen ↗
portland.indymedia.org267714.shtmlOpen ↗ Anth

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Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
From: [email hidden] (DEBBEE1023) Date:
3/28/2004 8:13 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <20040328111313.05123.00000227@mb-
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Quoted message said:

Actually many AIDS patients are finding relief with
Vitamin C, and other nutritional IV's. That's common

"relief" ...of what?? does the viral load go down..or
disappear??

hawki.....

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Do you have an alternative to current treatment for AIDS??
Maybe you think colonics would help??

I think coconut oils looks interesting. Anth

Well I don't worry at all about cholesterol etc - a good
diet will keep it low. On these anecdotes, (might be pubmed
I read) people who were taking good diet with coconut oils
lowered their viral loads to non existant, others were
higher. It was conjected that their hamburger diet was to
blame. I think proline lysine and vitamin c will lower
cholesterol. Anth

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Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 3/29/2004
12:18 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
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hmmmm...interesting...but does the coconut oil raise
the lipids?? trading viral load for CAD would not be a
great trade..

also I noticed that one of the "ancedotes" concerned an
infant who seroconverted supposedly after some coconut
oil...the literature confirms

that

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some infants DO seroconvert spontaneously by age
1...regardless...so can't

let

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the coconut oil take the credit ...as I have never read
that any of the

other

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infants who have seroconverted were given coconut oil

wonder if the virus can mutate to defeat the coconut oil??

hawki.....

If you think about stuff like Lorenzo's oil and CAD, there
was a lot of speculation that the oils would cause CAD Do
you think natives who eat coconuts suffer from CAD - In the
Philippines where they eat a lot of coconuts, I think the
CAD is pretty low?

Some links ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgiOpen ↗
d=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9316363 http:/-
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pub-
med&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8908837

Anth My thoughts :- I would trade CAD for an undetectable
zero viral load. At least I could attempt to treat the CAD
with diet/vitamin C/lysine.

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 3/29/2004
12:18 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

hmmmm...interesting...but does the coconut oil raise
the lipids?? trading viral load for CAD would not be a
great trade..

also I noticed that one of the "ancedotes" concerned an
infant who seroconverted supposedly after some coconut
oil...the literature confirms

that

Quoted message said:

some infants DO seroconvert spontaneously by age
1...regardless...so can't

let

Quoted message said:

the coconut oil take the credit ...as I have never read
that any of the

other

Quoted message said:

infants who have seroconverted were given coconut oil

wonder if the virus can mutate to defeat the coconut oil??

hawki.....

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:20:55 +0100, "Anth" <[email hidden]>

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Well I don't worry at all about cholesterol etc - a good
diet will keep it low.

Yeah and a good diet to lower cholesterol includes NOT
consuming coconut oil.

Aloha,

Rich
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But a good diet will not lower HIV viral load. Anth

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Anth said:

Well I don't worry at all about cholesterol etc - a good
diet will keep

it

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low.

Yeah and a good diet to lower cholesterol includes NOT
consuming coconut oil.

Aloha,

Rich
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On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:05:23 +0100, "Anth" <[email hidden]>

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But a good diet will not lower HIV viral load.

Are you sure about this?? You just suggested that coconut
oil might lower HIV viral load. Maybe others dietary changes
will lower HIV viral load.

Btw, I thought you were going to explain polynomial
trendline in your own words since you thought it so funny
that someone never heard of
it. I guess I missed your explanation. Cue Anth to give
a lame reason why he is not explaining it in his
own words.

Aloha,

Rich

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If there's populations that eat coconuts as part of their
staple diet, and their incidence of CAD is lower, then it's
not the coconuts! Anth

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Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 3/29/2004
9:29 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

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Anth My thoughts :- I would trade CAD for an undetectable
zero viral load. At least I could attempt to treat the
CAD with diet/vitamin C/lysine.

unfortunately undetectable does not mean the virus is not
latent.....in fact..other than a few infants...I know of
no cases where there was a

"cure" of

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the virus

Magic Johnson...for instance...is viral load
undectable...he does not

consider

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himself cured...nor should he....unless we have much
longer years of data

and coconut oil is about the worst for lipids...

it is impossible sometimes to figure out one population
has less CAD than
others..diet,,exercise..lifestyle..weight..stress..family
history etc....

undoubtedly "our" western diet plus lifestyle is about as
bad as it gets

hawki.....

I didn't suggest coconut lowered viral load, it has been
proven via clinical trials. As for the other argument, stick
a dummy in your mouth. Anth

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Anth said:

But a good diet will not lower HIV viral load.

Are you sure about this?? You just suggested that coconut
oil might lower HIV viral load. Maybe others dietary
changes will lower HIV viral load.

Btw, I thought you were going to explain polynomial
trendline in your own words since you thought it so funny
that someone never heard of
it. I guess I missed your explanation. Cue Anth to give a
lame reason why he is not explaining it in his own
words.

Aloha,

Rich

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This guy is unreal - he constantly tries to be-little
people, and he likes to think he's some kind of new age
Sollog.. I know what a trendline is and how to fit a
polynomial to data, you evidently don't. Anth

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Quoted message said:

Anth said:

But a good diet will not lower HIV viral load.

Are you sure about this?? You just suggested that coconut
oil might lower HIV viral load. Maybe others dietary
changes will lower HIV viral load.

Btw, I thought you were going to explain polynomial
trendline in your own words since you thought it so funny
that someone never heard of
it. I guess I missed your explanation. Cue Anth to give a
lame reason why he is not explaining it in his own
words.

Aloha,

Rich

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Cue Toby to call me a bigot.

Aloha,

Rich

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wonder if the virus can mutate to defeat the coconut oil??

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Since viruses are still with us after millions of years I
would imagine they've mutated to defeat all herbs and other
things mankind has tried to defeat them (other than
vaccines). Viruses are true survivors and may end up the
last things alive on this earth some day.
--
Kim Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$ Of all the
toxic goodies you do not pass Globs of gunk and the mucus
you store Parasites, flukes and worms galore So take a
colonic so you can pass All these nasties from your
paracitized @$$..... The most amazing BS artists there are:
members.rogers.comindex.htmlOpen ↗
geocities.comQuackery.htmlOpen ↗
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In article <[email hidden]>,

Kim said:

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wonder if the virus can mutate to defeat the
coconut oil??

======================
Since viruses are still with us after millions of years I
would imagine they've mutated to defeat all herbs and other
things mankind has tried to defeat them (other than
vaccines). Viruses are true survivors and may end up the
last things alive on this earth some day.

It's debatable that viruses are really alive -- they can't
reproduce without hijacking the mechanism of a living cell.
So if we go, they go.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VKrac.2091>

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It's debatable that viruses are really alive -- they can't
reproduce without hijacking the mechanism of a living
cell. So if we go, they go.

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Aren't some of them capable to surviving "outside" the body
until conditions are right for them to "wake up" and start
their life processes again - or am I thinking of bacteria,
another survivor? - Kim Colonics to clean out your stuffed
up @$$ Of all the toxic goodies you do not pass Globs of
gunk and the mucus you store Parasites, flukes and worms
galore So take a colonic so you can pass All these nasties
from your paracitized @$$..... The most amazing BS artists
there are: members.rogers.comindex.htmlOpen ↗
geocities.comQuackery.htmlOpen ↗
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In article <[email hidden]>,

Kim said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:VKrac.2091>

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It's debatable that viruses are really alive -- they
can't reproduce without hijacking the mechanism of a
living cell. So if we go, they go.

=============================
Aren't some of them capable to surviving "outside" the body
until conditions are right for them to "wake up" and start
their life processes again - or am I thinking of bacteria,
another survivor?

No, viruses do survive outside the body -- that's how colds
and flu spread, for example. But they can't *do* anything
unless they get into the body.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)