Everyday Cycling

dkahn400 said:

They could start by providing more cycle parking at their stores

Any would be a good place to start, I usually have to chain the bike to
lampposts or the trolley cages.

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I don't
think everyday cycling is what they mean by "everyday cycling". It
seems to be all about challenge rides.

Ah, but everyday commuter cycling varies so much depending on where you
live/work, even for different people in the same town.

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I sent in some comments about putting commuting and shopping etc. under
leisure, and also how it would be nice to imply through the photography
that people don't /have/ to get all dressed up.

The reply included the following:

"whilst we support an individual's freedom to choose not to wear a
helmet, we strongly advise all riders to use a hard shell helmet that
conforms to a recognised standard, and will continue to implicitly
support this through the imagery on the site."

[email hidden] is the man to send your email to querying
a policy of strongly advising people to do something of no proven
safety benefit and that has been seen to *discourage* cycling...

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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In article <[email hidden]>,
dkahn400 <[email hidden]> writes

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wheelist said:

I was slightly concerned about the involvement of Tesco

Quoted message said:

They could start by providing more cycle parking at their stores

At least two of the four Tesco Express stores near me (all within a
narrow sector of a circle about two miles in radius, so there could be
more in other directions) provide proper bike parking, ie, Sheffield
stands or similar. I rarely use these - there is always enough space to
park my bike next to the trolley park. Or if I'm on the Brompton, I fold
it and take it inside.

I rarely see other bikes parked at the stands but that's probably
because most customers drive there to re-fuel their cars.

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In article <[email hidden]>,
dkahn400 <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

wheelist said:

I was slightly concerned about the involvement of Tesco

Quoted message said:

They could start by providing more cycle parking at their stores

At least two of the four Tesco Express stores near me (all within a narrow
sector of a circle about two miles in radius, so there could be more in
other directions) provide proper bike parking, ie, Sheffield stands or
similar. I rarely use these - there is always enough space to park my bike
next to the trolley park. Or if I'm on the Brompton, I fold it and take it
inside.

I rarely see other bikes parked at the stands but that's probably because
most customers drive there to re-fuel their cars.

Note of caution about Tesco bike stands.... some of them are not actually
fixed to the ground. A lot of the ones used by Tesco are a 'batch' for want
of a better word of three sheffield stands that are joined by means of a
metal bar running along the bottom of the sides, connecting the stands so
they look like a giant toast rack, if you get my drift. There are finxing
points on these for the stands to be bolted to the ground. Many a Tesco
stand fails in this final requirement - they are simply stood there without
being bolted down. As a result - if you lock your bike to one and it gets
nicked, insurance can be invalidated as it wasn't locked to an immoveable
object...

I find Morrisons gives a better class of Sheffield stand... loads of them,
all indvidually concreted in the groud. Much better :-)

Cheers, helen s

wafflycat said:

As a result - if you lock your bike to one and it gets nicked, insurance can be
invalidated as it wasn't locked to an immoveable object...

There is of course no such thing. Give me a fulcrum ...

--
Dave...

Peter Clinch said:

"whilst we support an individual's freedom to choose not to wear a
helmet, we strongly advise all riders to use a hard shell helmet that
conforms to a recognised standard, and will continue to implicitly
support this through the imagery on the site."

You get a similar statement if you click on the safety link at the
bottom of the screen. It's BC's standard position. In view of this they
might be well advised not to go for an an open forum. We haven't had a
good helmet thread for several minutes now. :-) Mind you, without an
open forum I can't see the web site attracting much return traffic.

--
Dave...

On 29 Jun 2006 09:38:49 -0700 someone who may be "dkahn400"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"whilst we support an individual's freedom to choose not to wear a
helmet, we strongly advise all riders to use a hard shell helmet that
conforms to a recognised standard, and will continue to implicitly
support this through the imagery on the site."

You get a similar statement if you click on the safety link at the
bottom of the screen. It's BC's standard position. In view of this they
might be well advised not to go for an an open forum. We haven't had a
good helmet thread for several minutes now. :-)

Are these bods not the cycling equivalent of those that organise car
racing?

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

wafflycat' w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

Note of caution about Tesco bike stands.... some of them are not
actually fixed to the ground. A lot of the ones used by Tesco are a
'batch' for want of a better word of three sheffield stands that are
joined by means of a metal bar running along the bottom of the
sides, connecting the stands so they look like a giant toast rack,
if you get my drift. There are finxing points on these for the
stands to be bolted to the ground. Many a Tesco stand fails in this
final requirement - they are simply stood there without being bolted
down. As a result - if you lock your bike to one and it gets nicked,
insurance can be invalidated as it wasn't locked to an immoveable
object...

Our local H*l*o*d* has one of those that isn't bolted down. I think
they may even take it inside at night. Mind you, 3 of my 4 LBSes
don't have anywhere outside to lock a bike to, not even a streetlight
nearby.

Chris
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UKRA #1108 Level 2 UYB
Tripoli UK Member #9527 LSMR

Chris Eilbeck wrote:
Mind you, 3 of my 4 LBSes

Quoted message said:

don't have anywhere outside to lock a bike to, not even a streetlight
nearby.

I was impressed to see a shop near me that has "courtesy" locks
available in case you've left your own at home!

Matt

wafflycat said:

I find Morrisons gives a better class of Sheffield stand... loads of
them, all indvidually concreted in the groud. Much better :-)

The one local to me has recently taken out its wheelbenders and replaced
them with nothing.

It's one reason I find myself going there less.

A

Matthew Haigh said:

Chris Eilbeck said:

Mind you, 3 of my 4 LBSes don't have anywhere outside to lock a
bike to, not even a streetlight nearby.

I was impressed to see a shop near me that has "courtesy" locks
available in case you've left your own at home!

That's such a good idea. The problem only occurs when you get the
that-makes-us-liable idiots involved.

Chris
--
Chris Eilbeck

in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch

(') said:

I sent in some comments about putting commuting and shopping etc. under
leisure, and also how it would be nice to imply through the photography
that people don't /have/ to get all dressed up.

The reply included the following:

"whilst we support an individual's freedom to choose not to wear a
helmet, we strongly advise all riders to use a hard shell helmet that
conforms to a recognised standard, and will continue to implicitly
support this through the imagery on the site."

[email hidden] is the man to send your email to
querying
a policy of strongly advising people to do something of no proven
safety benefit and that has been seen to *discourage* cycling...

I've written. For all the good it will do.

If anyone else wants to write, my own essay on the issue, for those who
want to crib, is here:
http://www.jasmine.org.uk/dogfood/story/article_20.html

The www.cyclehelmets.org site is of course your best source of material.

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;; If you're doing this for fun, do what seems fun. If you're
;; doing it for money, stop now.
;; Rainer Deyke

So much negativity.

So, here's Tesco's feedback email address relating to their involvement in sport. Somewhere to direct all your anger. Especially that which arises from companies assuming pseudo-ethical stances when its other operations work directly against its eco-advertising blurb.

[email hidden]

Cheers,

Wheelist.

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:32:43 +0100 someone who may be Matthew Haigh
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Chris Eilbeck said:

Mind you, 3 of my 4 LBSes
don't have anywhere outside to lock a bike to, not even a streetlight
nearby.

All the ones I can think of around here have rails outside.

Quoted message said:

I was impressed to see a shop near me that has "courtesy" locks
available in case you've left your own at home!

I can think of one that has that service. It would be difficult to
get a bike inside it anyway.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54