EX-Mountain Biker!

Do you not understand exponential growth? Humans WILL encroach on
everything even if stuck to your "plans" unless you add into this a
control for how many children people can have. Study some bacteria in
a petri dish of suitable environmental conditions for that bacteria and
watch what happens, You have just seen what will happen to the earth
due to humans and their exponential growth. and please read my post
entitled "What you hosers don't seem to understand about LWS" for the
P.S. message to you mike!

"x1134x" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Do you not understand exponential growth? Humans WILL encroach on
everything even if stuck to your "plans" unless you add into this a
control for how many children people can have. Study some bacteria in
a petri dish of suitable environmental conditions for that bacteria and
watch what happens, You have just seen what will happen to the earth
due to humans and their exponential growth. and please read my post
entitled "What you hosers don't seem to understand about LWS" for the
P.S. message to you mike!

And both [censored] crosspost to rec.bicycles.soc
and rec.backcountry and sci.environment and ca.environment
because neither has courtesy, consideration or breeding that one
takes for granted when one leaves the backwoods inbred population
of Deliverance and re-enters normal society.

But typically people who like to get upfront in your face online
are sniveling little cowards when standing face to face, much like the
yapping little cur that snarls behind the fence that protects him slinks
away tail between the legs when there is no fence. The internet is
a great fence to hide behind for a coward.

Mike Vandeman said:

A hiker would avoid stepping on a snake that a biker would probably crush.

In my experience, most hikers WOULD avoid stepping on it. And then
they'd thrash it to death with a stick that they ripped from a near-by
tree - or perhaps go off-trail and dislodge some rocks to hurl at the beast.
--
Westie

On 22 Aug 2005 03:40:55 -0700, "x1134x" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..Do you not understand exponential growth? Humans WILL encroach on
..everything even if stuck to your "plans" unless you add into this a
..control for how many children people can have. Study some bacteria in
..a petri dish of suitable environmental conditions for that bacteria and
..watch what happens, You have just seen what will happen to the earth
..due to humans and their exponential growth.

Um, I hate to tell you, but bacteria aren't humans. For example, the U.S. is
reproducing at below replacement rates. And it's a good thing.

and please read my post
..entitled "What you hosers don't seem to understand about LWS" for the
..P.S. message to you mike!

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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:29:24 GMT, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..
.."x1134x" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
..news:[email hidden]...
..> Do you not understand exponential growth? Humans WILL encroach on
..> everything even if stuck to your "plans" unless you add into this a
..> control for how many children people can have. Study some bacteria in
..> a petri dish of suitable environmental conditions for that bacteria and
..> watch what happens, You have just seen what will happen to the earth
..> due to humans and their exponential growth. and please read my post
..> entitled "What you hosers don't seem to understand about LWS" for the
..> P.S. message to you mike!
..>
..
..And both [censored] crosspost to rec.bicycles.soc
..and rec.backcountry and sci.environment and ca.environment
..because neither has courtesy, consideration or breeding that one
..takes for granted when one leaves the backwoods inbred population
..of Deliverance and re-enters normal society.
..
..But typically people who like to get upfront in your face online
..are sniveling little cowards when standing face to face, much like the
..yapping little cur that snarls behind the fence that protects him slinks
..away tail between the legs when there is no fence. The internet is
..a great fence to hide behind for a coward.

He says, avoiding using his real name! A real coward's coward, obviously!
===
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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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I'm not a troll posting inflammatory comments to regarding
sports I don't participate in simply to irritate and burn bandwidth.

I have a posting history, unlike your shadow friends who popped
out of nowhere and have only trolled this group.

I have sincere concerns about the environment,
not a specious hypothesis that I use to target an innocent class of people
for my own personal and unstated reasons.

I am a responsible pet owner and I take that committment seriously.

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:03:27 GMT, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..I'm not a troll posting inflammatory comments to regarding
..sports I don't participate in simply to irritate and burn bandwidth.
..
..I have a posting history, unlike your shadow friends who popped
..out of nowhere and have only trolled this group.
..
..I have sincere concerns about the environment,

But you are afraid to use your real name, probably because you are LYING.

..not a specious hypothesis that I use to target an innocent class of people
..for my own personal and unstated reasons.
..
..I am a responsible pet owner and I take that committment seriously.
..
..
..
..
..

===
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years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

I'm not lying, Puke, you are.

You know full well that mountain biking has virtually no effect on
"wilderness" or "wildlife" yet you post ad nauseum with your
pretend factoids and maliccious insults.

You post simply because you have a bug up your ass about
your own little SF park and a personal grudge. No one in
the "real" world will listen to you, not environmentalists,
not park enforcement, not politicians. The only forum you
have are the crackpot conferences you present your bogus
research to and whoever takes the bait here. The other
groups you crosspost to (rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,
sci.environment,ca.environment) have blocked your posts
or simply ignore you.

You don't even have the intellectual integrity to respond
when someone takes the time to respond with a cogent reasoned
argument. Your cowardly retreat is marked by "Yawn" or
"Did you say something?"

In these days of identity theft only a fool offers identification to an
anonymous forum.
A cubicle dwelling loser like you has nothing to lose.
I have a business and a family.
If we meet face to face I'll introduce myself.
Then you can call me "liar" to my face and see what ensues.
I doubt though that you would have the backbone to make it personal.
You like to yap behind the safety of the fence.

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:17:30 GMT, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..I'm not lying, Puke, you are.
..
..You know full well that mountain biking has virtually no effect on
.."wilderness" or "wildlife" yet you post ad nauseum with your
..pretend factoids and maliccious insults.
..
..You post simply because you have a bug up your ass about
..your own little SF park and a personal grudge. No one in
..the "real" world will listen to you, not environmentalists,
..not park enforcement, not politicians. The only forum you
..have are the crackpot conferences you present your bogus
..research to and whoever takes the bait here. The other
..groups you crosspost to (rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,
..sci.environment,ca.environment) have blocked your posts
..or simply ignore you.
..
..You don't even have the intellectual integrity to respond
..when someone takes the time to respond with a cogent reasoned
..argument. Your cowardly retreat is marked by "Yawn" or
.."Did you say something?"
..
..In these days of identity theft only a fool offers identification to an
..anonymous forum.
..A cubicle dwelling loser like you has nothing to lose.
..I have a business and a family.
..If we meet face to face I'll introduce myself.
..Then you can call me "liar" to my face and see what ensues.
..I doubt though that you would have the backbone to make it personal.
..You like to yap behind the safety of the fence.

Your threat is duly noted, bully.
===
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years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman said:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:17:30 GMT, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

.I'm not lying, Puke, you are.
.
.You know full well that mountain biking has virtually no effect on
."wilderness" or "wildlife" yet you post ad nauseum with your
.pretend factoids and maliccious insults.
.
.You post simply because you have a bug up your ass about
.your own little SF park and a personal grudge. No one in
.the "real" world will listen to you, not environmentalists,
.not park enforcement, not politicians. The only forum you
.have are the crackpot conferences you present your bogus
.research to and whoever takes the bait here. The other
.groups you crosspost to (rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,
.sci.environment,ca.environment) have blocked your posts
.or simply ignore you.
.
.You don't even have the intellectual integrity to respond
.when someone takes the time to respond with a cogent reasoned
.argument. Your cowardly retreat is marked by "Yawn" or
."Did you say something?"
.
.In these days of identity theft only a fool offers identification to an
.anonymous forum.
.A cubicle dwelling loser like you has nothing to lose.
.I have a business and a family.
.If we meet face to face I'll introduce myself.
.Then you can call me "liar" to my face and see what ensues.
.I doubt though that you would have the backbone to make it personal.
.You like to yap behind the safety of the fence.

Your threat is duly noted, bully.

"and bully for you!" TR 1903.

R

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:17:30 GMT, "JP" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

.If we meet face to face I'll introduce myself.
.Then you can call me "liar" to my face and see what ensues.
.I doubt though that you would have the backbone to make it personal.
.You like to yap behind the safety of the fence.

Your threat is duly noted, bully.

Bully? Threat?

No, not at all. Just pointing out your lack of backbone
in addition to your lack of facts and logic.

But seriously Puke, why do you waste your time?
The National Park Service is considering opening
our wilderness to dirtbikes and snowmobiles.
Entire mountaintops are removed in coal mining operations.
Clear cutting of mountainsides has created massive habitat
destruction and destroyed the viability of entire river ecosystems.
Shrimp farming is destroying estuary habitats throughout the Gulf.
So much ecological damage is going on that one like yourself,
an empty-lived lonely man with no responsibilities and lots of time
could address and possibly have a real impact.

But you single out mountain bikes as an ecological threat.
If, hypothetically speaking, EVERY mountain biker was as
irresponsible as you claim it still would not add a measurable
threat to wilderness ecology. Let's be honest after all,
hikers are an irresponsible bunch, leaving litter, trespassing
on restricted lands and and starting forest fires with discarded cigarettes.

No one takes you seriously as you rant from the safety of your cubicle.
Why don't you come clean with your motivations?
You don't give a damn for the environment.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:54:35 GMT, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..
.."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
..news:[email hidden]...
..> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:17:30 GMT, "JP" <[email hidden]>
..wrote:
..
..> .If we meet face to face I'll introduce myself.
..> .Then you can call me "liar" to my face and see what ensues.
..> .I doubt though that you would have the backbone to make it personal.
..> .You like to yap behind the safety of the fence.
..>
..> Your threat is duly noted, bully.
..
..
..Bully? Threat?
..
..
..No, not at all. Just pointing out your lack of backbone
..in addition to your lack of facts and logic.
..
..But seriously Puke, why do you waste your time?
..The National Park Service is considering opening
..our wilderness to dirtbikes and snowmobiles.
..Entire mountaintops are removed in coal mining operations.
..Clear cutting of mountainsides has created massive habitat
..destruction and destroyed the viability of entire river ecosystems.
..Shrimp farming is destroying estuary habitats throughout the Gulf.
..So much ecological damage is going on that one like yourself,
..an empty-lived lonely man with no responsibilities and lots of time
..could address and possibly have a real impact.
..
..But you single out mountain bikes as an ecological threat.
..If, hypothetically speaking, EVERY mountain biker was as
..irresponsible as you claim it still would not add a measurable
..threat to wilderness ecology. Let's be honest after all,
..hikers are an irresponsible bunch, leaving litter, trespassing
..on restricted lands and and starting forest fires with discarded cigarettes.
..
..No one takes you seriously as you rant from the safety of your cubicle.
..Why don't you come clean with your motivations?
..You don't give a damn for the environment.

Did you say something?
===
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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:54:35 GMT, "JP" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

.
."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
.news:[email hidden]...
.> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:17:30 GMT, "JP"

<[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

.wrote:
.
.> .If we meet face to face I'll introduce myself.
.> .Then you can call me "liar" to my face and see what ensues.
.> .I doubt though that you would have the backbone to make it personal.
.> .You like to yap behind the safety of the fence.
.>
.> Your threat is duly noted, bully.
.
.
.Bully? Threat?
.
.
.No, not at all. Just pointing out your lack of backbone
.in addition to your lack of facts and logic.
.
.But seriously Puke, why do you waste your time?
.The National Park Service is considering opening
.our wilderness to dirtbikes and snowmobiles.
.Entire mountaintops are removed in coal mining operations.
.Clear cutting of mountainsides has created massive habitat
.destruction and destroyed the viability of entire river ecosystems.
.Shrimp farming is destroying estuary habitats throughout the Gulf.
.So much ecological damage is going on that one like yourself,
.an empty-lived lonely man with no responsibilities and lots of time
.could address and possibly have a real impact.
.
.But you single out mountain bikes as an ecological threat.
.If, hypothetically speaking, EVERY mountain biker was as
.irresponsible as you claim it still would not add a measurable
.threat to wilderness ecology. Let's be honest after all,
.hikers are an irresponsible bunch, leaving litter, trespassing
.on restricted lands and and starting forest fires with discarded

cigarettes.

Quoted message said:

.
.No one takes you seriously as you rant from the safety of your cubicle.
.Why don't you come clean with your motivations?
.You don't give a damn for the environment.

Did you say something?

Yawn

Mike,
You know it is quite ironic that on your site your list your Peeves lists
"waste (especially time)" yet you continue to waste so much time here
spewing your drivel. Just think about all that time you are wasting and
think of all the time that we are wasting responding to all that drivel.
One word comes to mind.

D-U-H!!!

Cheers Mikey!!
Charlie Maxwell

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

At 08:37 PM 8/20/05 -0400, [name withheld to protect him/her from
harrassment
and threats by mountain bikers] wrote:

<SNIP>

Charlie Maxwell said:

Mike,
You know it is quite ironic that on your site your list your Peeves lists
"waste (especially time)" yet you continue to waste so much time here
spewing your drivel. Just think about all that time you are wasting and
think of all the time that we are wasting responding to all that drivel.
One word comes to mind.

PhD? Is that the word?

According to Google, 11,400 postings to date. Figure on an average of 2
minutes per posting (pretty clear he doesn't invest more than that in
anything he's ever thought about). How many 8 hour workdays does that
represent.....?

Try: 47 1/2.

Add in all the time he's spent reading postings in the n.g.'s he
frequents, and you're talking about hundreds of days spent doing
absolutely nothing of value. Maybe that's why he's accomplished so
little.

Think about it this way - there are hundreds of us, wasting a few
minutes a day responding to Vandeman, which results in his wasting
hundreds (thousands?) of hours accomplishing nothing of value. In other
words, we're doing our part to keep this nut-job off the streets. Think
of it as public service, at a very low cost to us individually.

Thanks for being so easy to manipulate, Mike!

CP

On 30 Aug 2005 12:29:10 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

..
..Charlie Maxwell wrote:
..> Mike,
..> You know it is quite ironic that on your site your list your Peeves lists
..> "waste (especially time)" yet you continue to waste so much time here
..> spewing your drivel. Just think about all that time you are wasting and
..> think of all the time that we are wasting responding to all that drivel.
..> One word comes to mind.
..
..PhD? Is that the word?
..
..According to Google, 11,400 postings to date. Figure on an average of 2
..minutes per posting

More like 2 seconds.

(pretty clear he doesn't invest more than that in
..anything he's ever thought about). How many 8 hour workdays does that
..represent.....?
..
..Try: 47 1/2.
..
..Add in all the time he's spent reading postings in the n.g.'s he
..frequents, and you're talking about hundreds of days spent doing
..absolutely nothing of value. Maybe that's why he's accomplished so
..little.
..
..Think about it this way - there are hundreds of us, wasting a few
..minutes a day responding to Vandeman, which results in his wasting
..hundreds (thousands?) of hours accomplishing nothing of value. In other
..words, we're doing our part to keep this nut-job off the streets. Think
..of it as public service, at a very low cost to us individually.
..
..Thanks for being so easy to manipulate, Mike!
..
..CP

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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman said:

On 30 Aug 2005 12:29:10 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:
.Figure on an average of 2
.minutes per posting

More like 2 seconds.

It shows.

CP

Quoted message said:

Um, I hate to tell you, but bacteria aren't humans.

But humans ARE bacteria. Just grab a microscope that can look down to
the cell level. you will find we are a network of single-cells working
in symbiosis to form a human. We are bacteria. Get in an airplane and
fly over phoenix once a year, you will see the multi-human-celled
organism growing in fractal fashion.

Quoted message said:

For example, the U.S. is >reproducing at below replacement rates. And it's a good thing.

Oh, so there are less people in the U.S. now than in the 1700s?
Oh, so there are less people in the U.S. now than in the 1800s?
Oh, so there are less people in the U.S. now than in the early 1900s?
Oh, so there will be less people in the US in 2020 than now? I'll bet
you any amount of money on that one . . . the only way that would be
true is if some major natural disaster happens.

Humans WILL go extinct but not for thousands or more years.

Quoted message said:

And both [censored] crosspost to rec.bicycles.soc
and rec.backcountry and sci.environment and ca.environment

I only cross post because I must reply to Mike's drivel, and it
automatically cross-posts when I reply.
and since you called me an a-hole, you are a [censored].

Quoted message said:

But typically people who like to get upfront in your face online
are sniveling little cowards when standing face to face, much like the
yapping little cur that snarls behind the fence that protects him slinks
away tail between the legs when there is no fence. The internet is
a great fence to hide behind for a coward.

How does one "get upfront in your face online?" I think that the
corrolary to what you said is that when in-person, people reserve their
true opinions (for whatever reason) and online they don't mind actually
speaking their mind because if they [censored] someone off they don't have to
deal with them.