Exercise, burning calories, and losing weight

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I've been low-carbing for about 5 years now and my weight has stayed
steady at around 184 lbs with minor short-term blips up and down, no
more than 3-4 lbs either way, for the last 4 years anyways.

In the last two weeks, I've been significantly more active than usual.
I've built an 80 foot wood fence, working 2 to 3 or more hours every
day. I've been lugging tools and materials back and forth for these 2
to 3 hrs every day as well as physically digging holes with a
hand-operated auger, installing the stringers and the boards with nails
and screws. That is a lot of exercise, and I feel for anyone having to
install a fence of this type.

This is a huge departure from my usual maybe 1/2 of moderate exercise
per day. I haven't changed my eating habits at all. Not even one teensy
little bit.

My weight was 184 when I started and it is 184 as I type. My
measurements are exactly the same too, so I am not losing inches
either.

Why haven't I "burned" any weight off? Huh? Why has my exceptional
calorie-burning activities not kicked in and led to even a tiny loss of
fat? Even a half a pound would be something to point to, but it hasn't
happened.

Your body weight is more than just the weight of your fat. It includes the
weight of water in your body. It could be that you are drinking more, which
will tend to add a little weight (although you tend to get rid of the water
rapidly). You may have more stuff in your intestines. Because of this, your
weight tends to go up and down over the course of a day by a few pounds.
This may explain your weight.

The other thing is that if you are drinking drinks with sugar (Gatorade,
soda, beer), the calories in these drinks may be keeping your weight up.

Jeff

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TC

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I've been low-carbing for about 5 years now and my weight has

stayed

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steady at around 184 lbs with minor short-term blips up and down,

no

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more than 3-4 lbs either way, for the last 4 years anyways.

In the last two weeks, I've been significantly more active than

usual.

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I've built an 80 foot wood fence, working 2 to 3 or more hours

every

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day. I've been lugging tools and materials back and forth for these

2

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to 3 hrs every day as well as physically digging holes with a
hand-operated auger, installing the stringers and the boards with

nails

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and screws. That is a lot of exercise, and I feel for anyone having

to

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install a fence of this type.

This is a huge departure from my usual maybe 1/2 of moderate

exercise

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per day. I haven't changed my eating habits at all. Not even one

teensy

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little bit.

My weight was 184 when I started and it is 184 as I type. My
measurements are exactly the same too, so I am not losing inches
either.

Why haven't I "burned" any weight off? Huh? Why has my exceptional
calorie-burning activities not kicked in and led to even a tiny

loss of

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fat? Even a half a pound would be something to point to, but it

hasn't

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happened.

Your body weight is more than just the weight of your fat. It

includes the

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weight of water in your body. It could be that you are drinking

more, which

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will tend to add a little weight (although you tend to get rid of the

water

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rapidly). You may have more stuff in your intestines. Because of

this, your

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weight tends to go up and down over the course of a day by a few

pounds.

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This may explain your weight.

The other thing is that if you are drinking drinks with sugar

(Gatorade,

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soda, beer), the calories in these drinks may be keeping your weight

up.

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Jeff

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TC

My food and liquid intakes have been exactly the same from day to day,
except for when I am working, I tend to drink more water, obviously. I
weigh myself the same time every day, in the morning.

TC

TC said:

I've been low-carbing for about 5 years now and my weight has stayed
steady at around 184 lbs with minor short-term blips up and down, no
more than 3-4 lbs either way, for the last 4 years anyways.

In the last two weeks, I've been significantly more active than usual.
I've built an 80 foot wood fence, working 2 to 3 or more hours every
day. I've been lugging tools and materials back and forth for these 2
to 3 hrs every day as well as physically digging holes with a
hand-operated auger, installing the stringers and the boards with nails
and screws. That is a lot of exercise, and I feel for anyone having to
install a fence of this type.

This is a huge departure from my usual maybe 1/2 of moderate exercise
per day. I haven't changed my eating habits at all. Not even one teensy
little bit.

My weight was 184 when I started and it is 184 as I type. My
measurements are exactly the same too, so I am not losing inches
either.

Why haven't I "burned" any weight off? Huh? Why has my exceptional
calorie-burning activities not kicked in and led to even a tiny loss of
fat? Even a half a pound would be something to point to, but it hasn't
happened.

TC

TC is an amazing individual who does not burn calories for fuel but
human feces! Congratulations!

Sorry you got burned on this one.

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On 18 May 2005 09:56:50 -0700, "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:
TC is an amazing individual who does not burn calories for fuel but
human feces! Congratulations!

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My food and liquid intakes have been exactly the same from day to day,
except for when I am working, I tend to drink more water, obviously. I
weigh myself the same time every day, in the morning.

I still wouldn't expect that much weight change. you went from 1/2 hour of
excercise to 2-3 hour of excercise per day. I bet your caloric expendatures
went up by 200 or 300 cal. per day, at most. Considering that a pound of fat
is around 4000 calories, you should have lost about 3/4 lb or so.

Jeff

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TC

TC said:

In the last two weeks, I've been significantly more active than

usual.

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I've built an 80 foot wood fence, working 2 to 3 or more hours every
day.

Ooooh! You mean you actually did something for a change?

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Why haven't I "burned" any weight off? Huh? Why has my exceptional
calorie-burning activities not kicked in and led to even a tiny loss

of

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fat? Even a half a pound would be something to point to, but it

hasn't

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happened.

Are you nuts? Or, are you just stupid?

Earth to rocket ship: Anybody home?

I have news for you numb nuts. I can do 45 minutes on an elliptical
trainer at a high intensity level of between 9 and 10 METs and end up
burning only 500 calories.

It is called reality.

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My food and liquid intakes have been exactly the same from day to

day,

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except for when I am working, I tend to drink more water,

obviously. I

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weigh myself the same time every day, in the morning.

I still wouldn't expect that much weight change. you went from 1/2

hour of

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excercise to 2-3 hour of excercise per day. I bet your caloric

expendatures

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went up by 200 or 300 cal. per day, at most. Considering that a pound

of fat

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is around 4000 calories, you should have lost about 3/4 lb or so.

Jeff

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TC

I did not lose even an ounce.

TC

Mr-Natural-Health said:

I can do 45 minutes on an elliptical
trainer at a high intensity level of between 9 and 10 METs and end up
burning only 500 calories.

It is called reality.

Yeah, but you must have eaten two bananas before you worked out.

TC

Hey, the fact is that I went for two weeks doing several hours more of
serious physical exertion and I saw absolutely no corresponding weight
loss. Not even a few ounces.

Of course, no-one is willing to step forward and explain the absence of
any signs that the extra burned calories led in any way to any fat
loss.
Just smart ass comments. Not that they weren't expected.

Goes to show just how much of a chasm there is between the calorie
theory beliefs and the real world.

TC

Pizza Girl said:

Sorry you got burned on this one.

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On 18 May 2005 09:56:50 -0700, "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:
TC is an amazing individual who does not burn calories for fuel but
human feces! Congratulations!

Jeff said:

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My food and liquid intakes have been exactly the same from day to

day,

Quoted message said:

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except for when I am working, I tend to drink more water,

obviously. I

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weigh myself the same time every day, in the morning.

I still wouldn't expect that much weight change. you went from 1/2

hour of

Quoted message said:

excercise to 2-3 hour of excercise per day. I bet your caloric

expendatures

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went up by 200 or 300 cal. per day, at most. Considering that a pound

of fat

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is around 4000 calories, you should have lost about 3/4 lb or so.

Jeff

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TC

I went to this site:

http://www.caloriesperhour.com/index_burn.html

Inputed my info and got these results:

Male 44, 5'11", 184 lb: BMI=25.7 BMR=1,818 RMR=1,747
Building - fences
1,502 calories in 3 hr

So this calculator tells me that when I build a fence I will expend
1502 kcals for every three hours I work. Now multiply this by 8 times
(to get 24 person-hours) = 12,016 kcals.

These 24 person-hours were spread over about 12 days. And that is above
and beyond my normal activities which I continued to do.

A pound of fat is supposed to be 4000 calories. I should have lost up
to three lbs of fat. Yet, my weight remained exactly at 184 lbs. My
measurements remained exactly the same within 1/8 inch. As far as I
know my height remained the same as well.

What gives?

TC

TC said:

I've been low-carbing for about 5 years now and my weight has stayed
steady at around 184 lbs with minor short-term blips up and down, no
more than 3-4 lbs either way, for the last 4 years anyways.

In the last two weeks, I've been significantly more active than

usual.

Quoted message said:

I've built an 80 foot wood fence, working 2 to 3 or more hours every
day. I've been lugging tools and materials back and forth for these 2
to 3 hrs every day as well as physically digging holes with a
hand-operated auger, installing the stringers and the boards with

nails

Quoted message said:

and screws. That is a lot of exercise, and I feel for anyone having

to

Quoted message said:

install a fence of this type.

This is a huge departure from my usual maybe 1/2 of moderate exercise
per day. I haven't changed my eating habits at all. Not even one

teensy

Quoted message said:

little bit.

My weight was 184 when I started and it is 184 as I type. My
measurements are exactly the same too, so I am not losing inches
either.

Why haven't I "burned" any weight off? Huh? Why has my exceptional
calorie-burning activities not kicked in and led to even a tiny loss

of

Quoted message said:

fat? Even a half a pound would be something to point to, but it

hasn't

Quoted message said:

happened.

TC

I went to this site:

http://www.caloriesperhour.com­/index_burn.html

Inputed my info and got these results:

Male 44, 5'11", 184 lb: BMI=25.7 BMR=1,818 RMR=1,747
Building - fences
1,502 calories in 3 hr

So this calculator tells me that when I build a fence I will expend
1502 kcals for every three hours I work. Now multiply this by 8 times
(to get 24 person-hours) = 12,016 kcals.

These 24 person-hours were spread over about 12 days. And that is above

and beyond my normal activities which I continued to do.

A pound of fat is supposed to be 4000 calories. I should have lost up
to three lbs of fat. Yet, my weight remained exactly at 184 lbs. My
measurements remained exactly the same within 1/8 inch. As far as I
know my height remained the same as well.

What gives?

TC

Wow...the low carb guy just disproved an age old theory of
thermodynamics with his n=1 experiment.

That settles it, TC, you must be right.

BTW, when I increase my caloric expenditure, I tend to lose some
weight. And I have a lower BMI then you. And a much higher BMR. So
maybe it's your diet? Or maybe I'm just lucky.

claytid said:

Wow...the low carb guy just disproved an age old theory of
thermodynamics with his n=1 experiment.

That settles it, TC, you must be right.

BTW, when I increase my caloric expenditure, I tend to lose some
weight. And I have a lower BMI then you. And a much higher BMR. So
maybe it's your diet? Or maybe I'm just lucky.

Well, a law of physics is supposed to be universal without exceptions.
And this appears to be an exception. Kinda similar to the exception of
those studies that showed low-carbers to eat 300 kcals, on average,
more per day than low-fat dieters and still lose more weight. And it is
anecdotal, even though it is a valid observation in a science that
relies on observation as its basis.

But, this doesn't challenge or disprove the law of thermodynamics, it
just challenges it's direct practical applicability to accurately
predict fat storage or loss in the human body.

Maybe, just maybe there is a tad more to fat storage and fat loss in
humans than basic bare-bones energy-in vs energy-out. Maybe, just
maybe, the human body isn't exactly the same as a bomb-calorimeter.
Maybe, just maybe, hormones and the endocrine system plays a small part
in the fat storage process.

But that would be absurd, wouldn't it?

TC

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My food and liquid intakes have been exactly the same from day to

day,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

except for when I am working, I tend to drink more water,

obviously. I

Quoted message said:

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weigh myself the same time every day, in the morning.

I still wouldn't expect that much weight change. you went from 1/2

hour of

Quoted message said:

excercise to 2-3 hour of excercise per day. I bet your caloric

expendatures

Quoted message said:

went up by 200 or 300 cal. per day, at most. Considering that a pound

of fat

Quoted message said:

is around 4000 calories, you should have lost about 3/4 lb or so.

Jeff

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TC

I went to this site:

http://www.caloriesperhour.com/index_burn.html

Inputed my info and got these results:

Male 44, 5'11", 184 lb: BMI=25.7 BMR=1,818 RMR=1,747
Building - fences
1,502 calories in 3 hr

So this calculator tells me that when I build a fence I will expend
1502 kcals for every three hours I work. Now multiply this by 8 times
(to get 24 person-hours) = 12,016 kcals.

These 24 person-hours were spread over about 12 days. And that is above
and beyond my normal activities which I continued to do.

A pound of fat is supposed to be 4000 calories. I should have lost up
to three lbs of fat. Yet, my weight remained exactly at 184 lbs. My
measurements remained exactly the same within 1/8 inch. As far as I
know my height remained the same as well.

What gives?

One or more of three things:

1) You are burning fewer calories than you think when you build fences
(perhaps the person who burns 1502 cals in 3 hours works harder).

2) You are eating more calories than you think.

3) You are retaining water.

Jeff

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TC

You don't usually sit on any fences so that can't be it.

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TC said:

I've been low-carbing for about 5 years now and my weight has stayed
steady at around 184 lbs with minor short-term blips up and down, no
more than 3-4 lbs either way, for the last 4 years anyways.

In the last two weeks, I've been significantly more active than

usual.

Quoted message said:

I've built an 80 foot wood fence, working 2 to 3 or more hours every
day. I've been lugging tools and materials back and forth for these 2
to 3 hrs every day as well as physically digging holes with a
hand-operated auger, installing the stringers and the boards with

nails

Quoted message said:

and screws. That is a lot of exercise, and I feel for anyone having

to

Quoted message said:

install a fence of this type.

This is a huge departure from my usual maybe 1/2 of moderate exercise
per day. I haven't changed my eating habits at all. Not even one

teensy

Quoted message said:

little bit.

My weight was 184 when I started and it is 184 as I type. My
measurements are exactly the same too, so I am not losing inches
either.

Why haven't I "burned" any weight off? Huh? Why has my exceptional
calorie-burning activities not kicked in and led to even a tiny loss

of

Quoted message said:

fat? Even a half a pound would be something to point to, but it

hasn't

Quoted message said:

happened.

TC

I went to this site:

http://www.caloriesperhour.com­/index_burn.html

Inputed my info and got these results:

Male 44, 5'11", 184 lb: BMI=25.7 BMR=1,818 RMR=1,747
Building - fences
1,502 calories in 3 hr

So this calculator tells me that when I build a fence I will expend
1502 kcals for every three hours I work. Now multiply this by 8 times
(to get 24 person-hours) = 12,016 kcals.

These 24 person-hours were spread over about 12 days. And that is above

and beyond my normal activities which I continued to do.

A pound of fat is supposed to be 4000 calories. I should have lost up
to three lbs of fat. Yet, my weight remained exactly at 184 lbs. My
measurements remained exactly the same within 1/8 inch. As far as I
know my height remained the same as well.

What gives?

TC

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went up by 200 or 300 cal. per day, at most. Considering that a
pound

of fat

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is around 4000 calories, you should have lost about 3/4 lb or so.

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I did not lose even an ounce.

How about the exercise increased your appetite and you ate what you
burned. Are you feebly trying to insinuate that exercise will not help
you lose weight if you control calories at the same time? Oh wait, you
do often insinuate that the body is not a closed system and there is an
extra terrestrial happening running in parallel. Keep hanging out on the
sofa with the double whopper and mother nature will let you know. Hark-
flat earth advocate

-DF

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey, the fact is that I went for two weeks doing several hours more of
serious physical exertion and I saw absolutely no corresponding weight
loss. Not even a few ounces.

Of course, no-one is willing to step forward and explain the absence
of
any signs that the extra burned calories led in any way to any fat
loss.
Just smart ass comments. Not that they weren't expected.

Goes to show just how much of a chasm there is between the calorie
theory beliefs and the real world.

Prove to us that you did not eat more calories because of the increase
in appetite which compensated for the work. Just because you got off
your duff and did some real exercise does not mean you will lose weight.
And if you porked down some nice fat calories you may have gained
weight. How many calories did you think you used putting up a fence?

-DF

TC said:

Goes to show just how much of a chasm there is between the calorie
theory beliefs and the real world.

I don't have a weight problem.

When you look like Nature Boy Rick Flair, it is hard to imagine how the
little people, ... er! Big Ass FatSo's, manage to crawl out of bed in
the morning.

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

TC said:

What gives?

Perhaps, if you were to focus.

500 calories in 45 minutes followed by a 15 minute break. Repeat, 10
times in one day for a grand total of 5,000 calories a day. Now, do
that for 2 weeks and you would have lost some weight.

Numb nuts, you don't know what work is. 🙂