Explaining Shimano and Campagnolo products

The Doctor said:

Hi everyone,

I have an older style Cannondale road bike (1997 model) and I've
been thinking of making it into a second bike. The hubs are mostly
shot and the shifters are bearly working. It has 8 speed rear cluster.
What's the cheapest way of upgrading it or at least get it ridable again?

Where can I find an explanation of all the different Shimano and Campagnolo
products?

Thank you

Is it Shimano or Campag now?

Get the hub bearings & cones replaced - that's not expensive.

If it's Campag gear, you can get your shifters serviced and the guts
replaced (if necessary) and it's a lot cheaper than new shifters.

If it's Shimano and the shifters are knackered I think you may need to
buy new shifters.

Hippy,
You're a died in the wool Shimano fella, what's the deal with repairing
shifters?

As for comparing products, www.shimano.com & www.campagnolo.com.

Cheers.

--
Nick

Hi Nick,

Thanks for the really speedy response. I have never used
Campagnolo. Is it possible to use Campagnolo shifters with
Shimano's front and rear derellieru??? What's the miss and
match available?

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Quoted message said:

Is it Shimano or Campag now?

Get the hub bearings & cones replaced - that's not expensive.

If it's Campag gear, you can get your shifters serviced and the guts
replaced (if necessary) and it's a lot cheaper than new shifters.

If it's Shimano and the shifters are knackered I think you may need to
buy new shifters.

Hippy,
You're a died in the wool Shimano fella, what's the deal with
repairing shifters?

As for comparing products, www.shimano.com & www.campagnolo.com.

Cheers.

"NickZX6R" <[email hidden]

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The Doctor said:

I have an older style Cannondale road bike (1997 model) and I've
been thinking of making it into a second bike. The hubs are mostly
shot and the shifters are bearly working. It has 8 speed rear cluster.
What's the cheapest way of upgrading it or at least get it ridable

again?

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Where can I find an explanation of all the different Shimano and

Campagnolo

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products?

www.google.com

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If it's Campag gear, you can get your shifters serviced and the guts
replaced (if necessary) and it's a lot cheaper than new shifters.

How much ARE parts for Campy stuff? I heard they
were rather expensive? Guess expensive parts are still
cheaper than expensive 'whole units' :-)

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If it's Shimano and the shifters are knackered I think you may need to
buy new shifters.

Hippy,
You're a died in the wool Shimano fella, what's the deal with repairing
shifters?

I wouldn't go that far.. I argue in Shimano's favour just
to add balance to the group :-D There's too many FD's,
SJ's and GK's arguing on behalf of the Campy camp. 🙂

As for repairing them? I've never done it.
If you want to stick with these.. try flushing their guts
out with WD-40.
There is limited serviceability I think but most people just
replace them with new units, replace with barcons or
downtube shifters or convert the bike to singlespeed or
fixed wheel..

You wanted the 'cheapest' option.. singlespeeds are cool.

I just found this:
http://www.billcotton.com/sti_shifter_repair.htm

What exactly are the shifters doing or not doing? It could
be a simple case of poor adjustment..

Oh, another option is to buy another bike and combine
the parts of both to make a nice, rideable machine..

hippy ;-)
singlespeed it!!!

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Thanks for the really speedy response. I have never used
Campagnolo. Is it possible to use Campagnolo shifters with
Shimano's front and rear derellieru??? What's the miss and
match available?

Yes, here's a couple of options:
http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-46559
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/Shiftmate.asp

hth
hippy

The Doctor said:

Hi Nick,

Thanks for the really speedy response. I have never used
Campagnolo. Is it possible to use Campagnolo shifters with
Shimano's front and rear derellieru??? What's the miss and
match available?

Yes - The derailleur doesn't care what is shifting it - the shifters must index to the same spacing as the cassette, but it doesn't matter which derailleur you use (as long as it has enough capacity for the range of cogs you have).

Ritch

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Yes - The derailleur doesn't care what is shifting it - the shifters
must index to the same spacing as the cassette, but it doesn't matter
which derailleur you use (as long as it has enough capacity for the
range of cogs you have).

Hi Ritch,

Are you saying that both Shimano and Campagnolo use SIS indexing?

BTW, I have flush out the right shifter with WD40 and it actually
does work now. But the hubs are stuffed.

Are there any general bicycle website explaining hubs, shifters etc.

Thank you

Anthony

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Yes - The derailleur doesn't care what is shifting it - the shifters
must index to the same spacing as the cassette, but it doesn't matter
which derailleur you use (as long as it has enough capacity for the
range of cogs you have).

Are you saying that both Shimano and Campagnolo use SIS indexing?

SIS = Shimano Indexing System

The shifter moves a certain amount between clicks. This
corresponds with a certain gap between each sprocket.
The gaps on Shimano and Campag cassettes are slightly
different. The derailler just moves whatever amount the
shifter forces it to - it is restricted only by the shifter.

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BTW, I have flush out the right shifter with WD40 and it actually
does work now. But the hubs are stuffed.

Yay for WD40!! :-)

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Are there any general bicycle website explaining hubs, shifters etc.

For hub repair:
http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/howfix_hub.shtml

For all kinds of cool info:
www.sheldonbrown.com

hippy

Ritcho said:

Yes - The derailleur doesn't care what is shifting it - the
shifters must index to the same spacing as the cassette,
but it doesn't matter which derailleur you use (as long as
it has enough capacity for the range of cogs you have).

This is incorrect. Shimano and Campagnolo derailleurs use different amounts of cable pull to move the jockey wheels the same amount. You can use Shimano shifters with Campagnolo derailleurs, or vise-versa, but must make allowances for the different cable-pull.

See http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/shiftmate.html for a device that does this.

Regards,

Suzy

"suzyj" <[email hidden]

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Yes - The derailleur doesn't care what is shifting it - the
shifters must index to the same spacing as the cassette,
but it doesn't matter which derailleur you use (as long as
it has enough capacity for the range of cogs you have).

This is incorrect. Shimano and Campagnolo derailleurs use different
amounts of cable pull to move the jockey wheels the same amount. You
can use Shimano shifters with Campagnolo derailleurs, or vise-versa,
but must make allowances for the different cable-pull.

See http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/shiftmate.html for a device that
does this.

Arr spewing... I was waiting for my STI's to fall
apart before replacing with some ebaycheap Campag
jobbies.. now I need a Shiftmate too :-(

There's no specs on the different cable pull though, just
a mention about fixing the difference..

Ahh.. more stuff..
http://www.cyclingplus.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36442&whichpage=2

hippy

suzyj said:

This is incorrect. Shimano and Campagnolo derailleurs use different
amounts of cable pull to move the jockey wheels the same amount. You
can use Shimano shifters with Campagnolo derailleurs, or vise-versa,
but must make allowances for the different cable-pull.

Ta, I suspected that. The answer is to stick with non-indexed shifters,
and then use whatever derailer and cassette you feel like :-)

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See http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/shiftmate.html for a device that
does this.

That looks just like the road-STI to cantiler-brake adaptor.

quote='suzyj'Ritcho said:

Yes - The derailleur doesn't care what is shifting it - the
shifters must index to the same spacing as the cassette,
but it doesn't matter which derailleur you use (as long as
it has enough capacity for the range of cogs you have).

This is incorrect. Shimano and Campagnolo derailleurs use different amounts of cable pull to move the jockey wheels the same amount. You can use Shimano shifters with Campagnolo derailleurs, or vise-versa, but must make allowances for the different cable-pull.

See http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/shiftmate.html for a device that does this.

Regards,

Suzy[/QUOTE]

Hmm. ok, I stand corrected. I didn't think about the cable-pull...

Cheers,
Ritch

ritcho said:

Yes - The derailleur doesn't care what is shifting it - the shifters must index to the same spacing as the cassette, but it doesn't matter which derailleur you use (as long as it has enough capacity for the range of cogs you have).

Ritch

Hey, sorry to throw a pump in your wheels, but even between groupsets from the same manufacturer, it's sometimes difficult to get them working 90 - 100%, esp old vs. new Shimano, Old (8 spd/9 spd.) Campag vs. Old Shimano etc. The amount of cable pull each derailleur responds to, to go a certain distance sideways, is often very different, despite how similar they look. Eg., old (8 spd) Dura-Ace is not compatible with anything else in the known universe. BUT, you can SOMETIMES make Campag and Shimano 9 spd. talk to ane another, until they get a bit old and worn.

It's not just manufacturers designing obsolesence/bloodymindedness into their products, it's actually a "system", in the real sense of the word. You can buck the "system", but in the long run, it works smoother if you don't. Plenty of replacement parts in stock anyway, and if they ain't, it's time for an upgrade. (#$%& Uniglide hubs!) Now, it's OK to use Tiagra anything with Dura-Ace anything (9 spd.) Hoorah! "What? 10 spd? For a moment there, I thought we reached equilibrium. Campag's all 10 anyway. Hoorah!"

M "time fiddling vs. money spent - make sure you cost your labour/frustration quotient @ $50/hr!" H

Hi all,

I was away for 10 days after posting the initial question of Shimano and
Campagnolo shifters. Seems that it is difficult to mix shifters with
derailleur. But what about the actual clusters? Can I mix a rear
Campagnolog shifter, derailleur with a Shimano rear cluster?
I suspect the answer is yes or depend on the gear spacing?

Thanks in advance
Anthony