Extra spokes & Chainwhip?

Rick Onanian <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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On 18 May 2004 11:24:19 -0700, [email hidden] (Rick

Warner) said:

Who said anything about needing the chainwhip for removal? I sure did
not. You need the chainwhip to get the freewheel back on tightly.

Why? Pedalling doesn't tighten it enough?

Not when the bike is in the stand and the wheel on the bench. Read
carefully, digest the entire thread, do not leap to conclusions, etc.
etc.

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And chainwhips are not needed for cassette removal, even if you do not
have a hypercracker (but why would you not have a hypercracker? Small
and light). My Stein freehub wrench holds the cassette tightly while
I use the removal tool and crescent wrench to loosen the cassette
lockring when I am in the shop. Only thing I use chainwhips for these
days are tightening on the freewheels and taking cogs off freewheels.

How does your stein freehub wrench compare in volume and mass to a
chainwhip? If it's not lighter, I'd prefer the chainwhip...more
versatile.

Who cares about size in the shop? The Stein tool is much easier to
use when dealing with a very tight lockring, the old 'squeeze the
wrenches together' trick, sinilar to squeezing the wrenches together
to loosen a tight headset locknut.

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Anyway, I thought this thread was about equipment for touring, not
tools in shops...

Right you are, but I was not the person that inferred, quite
incorrectly and without any evidence to support such an incorrect
assumption, that if I mentioned someone carrying a chainwhip that I
must be talking of freewheel removal. If you bothered to read the
thread you would see I was merely pointing out the error of the
poster's ways. Now if you go back to the original thread, read the
whole thing, you will see I said that I do not carry a chainwhip. I
said, also, that I do not ride a freewheel on tour. I merely pointed
out that one poster *might* carry one since I knew he does tour with a
freewheel. My chainwhip stays in the shop, and gets little use. I
enumerated the tools I take on tour, tools now set aside to be packed
and schlepped to Italy in the near future, where I hope to use a few
tools for assembly/disassembly but that some tools (e.g., spoke wrench
and cassette cracker) sit in the bags and do not see the light of day
for the next month.

- rick

Rick Warner said:

Quoted message said:

_ You don't need a chainwhip to remove freewheels, just a long
Crescent wrench and the right freewheel tool. Chainwhips are
needed for cassette removal if you don't have a hypercracker.

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Who said anything about needing the chainwhip for removal? I sure did
not. You need the chainwhip to get the freewheel back on tightly.

I trust you are making a joke. Freewheels screw on all by themselves.
No tools are required. Large adjustable or box end wrenches that fit
a standard FW remover are available at most auto shops and many gas
stations. If you don't ride low spoke count wheels on a tour, you can
ride all day with a broken spoke with no more than the brake QR opened
to prevent drag... that is if you aren't riding one of those tight
pseudo racing bicycles with 2mm clearance to frame and fork as if that
had any benefit what so ever.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

20 May 2004 said:

I trust you are making a joke. Freewheels screw on all by themselves.
No tools are required.

Though that must have been a joke, let me caution novice readers.
It's happened to me to have a new freewheel installed by hand, without
screwing it in tightly.
I started out coasting downhill and it unscrew without mercy!

Sergio
Pisa

"Rick Warner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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to Italy in the near future, where I hope to use a few
tools for assembly/disassembly but that some tools (e.g., spoke wrench
and cassette cracker) sit in the bags and do not see the light of day
for the next month.

I wish you a mechanical free month in Italy!

Watching the Giro really makes me jealous of your trip.

Enjoy.

"TM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Rick Warner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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to Italy in the near future, where I hope to use a few
tools for assembly/disassembly but that some tools (e.g., spoke wrench
and cassette cracker) sit in the bags and do not see the light of day
for the next month.

I wish you a mechanical free month in Italy!

Watching the Giro really makes me jealous of your trip.

Enjoy.

Thanks! I am expecting a trouble free trip, but again one never
knows. The 17th-19th stages, later this week, will cross back and
forth the area I will be riding in just over 3 weeks. Really great
country to cycle in, and not too bad if cost-wise if you shop for
fares. Our tickets were just over $500 round trip SF to Venice.

Cheers,

- rick