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  1. Quoted message said:


    No you haven't. What deformity IS it that you believe that over 50% of
    the
    world has, a deformity so intractable that it is "pointless" to attempt to
    correct it , and is so severe that it forces people who desire to swim
    Front
    Crawl to do so asymetrically? It's obviously not scoliosis...

    I re-read what Martin originally wrote, and I don't find the word
    "deformity" in there anywhere. Perhaps that is where you have gone on a
    tangent, equating "asymmetry" with "deformity". I know I am asymmetric. I
    am left-handed but right eye dominant. That means I play tennis, shoot a
    rifle, and in general have a slightly stronger right side of my body
    (including my shooting foot in soccer). On the other hand, my left food
    tracks straight whereas my right foot likes to veer slightly outward. This
    has caused problems in cycling because getting the cleated shoes to fit
    without causing knee pain has been a trial and error situation. So, these
    are examples of my asymmetry, and I suspect everyone has some examples.
    Haven't you ever heard of people saying, "I'm right-handed and can't do a
    thing with my left hand."?

    Pat in TX

  2. "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Tell me what stroke defect you are trying to correct, and I might be
    able to help.

    Why do you think not swimming symetrically is a stroke defect?

  3. "Pat in TX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I know I am asymmetric. I
    am left-handed but right eye dominant. That means I play tennis, shoot a
    rifle, and in general have a slightly stronger right side of my body
    (including my shooting foot in soccer). On the other hand, my left food
    tracks straight whereas my right foot likes to veer slightly outward.


    This

    Quoted message said:

    has caused problems in cycling because getting the cleated shoes to fit
    without causing knee pain has been a trial and error situation. So, these
    are examples of my asymmetry, and I suspect everyone has some examples.

    Do you think that over half of all people have such a dramatic difference
    between right and that they will be unable to swim symetrically?

  4. "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    If your body has an asymmetry, correct the asymmetry before trying to
    force ytourself to swim symmetrically. That's the advice.

    Why do you think not swimming symetrically is a stroke defect?

  5. "Pat in TX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    No you haven't. What deformity IS it that you believe that over 50% of
    the
    world has, a deformity so intractable that it is "pointless" to attempt


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    correct it , and is so severe that it forces people who desire to swim
    Front
    Crawl to do so asymetrically? It's obviously not scoliosis...

    I re-read what Martin originally wrote, and I don't find the word
    "deformity" in there anywhere. Perhaps that is where you have gone on a
    tangent, equating "asymmetry" with "deformity".

    Martin gave (and still gives) as his principle example scoliosis. Most (and
    we're using the word "most" in the way that most people would) people would
    say that scoliosis, if severe to the point of incorrectability, as Martin
    avdances it, is a deformity.

  6. jtaylor said:

    "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I was trying to do exactly that which you have quoted, below:

    No, you weren't because what you have quoted below doesn't lead to your
    question.

    What you quoted below IS my question.

    I didn't quote anything below. I have explained multiple times why your
    question doesn't apply to what I wrote. I have explained multiple times
    what I wrote. There is nothing more I can do but put you back on ignore.
    Sorry, but this is a waste of time.

  7. jtaylor said:

    "Pat in TX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I know I am asymmetric. I
    am left-handed but right eye dominant. That means I play tennis, shoot a
    rifle, and in general have a slightly stronger right side of my body
    (including my shooting foot in soccer). On the other hand, my left food
    tracks straight whereas my right foot likes to veer slightly outward.

    This

    Quoted message said:

    has caused problems in cycling because getting the cleated shoes to fit
    without causing knee pain has been a trial and error situation. So, these
    are examples of my asymmetry, and I suspect everyone has some examples.

    Do you think that over half of all people have such a dramatic difference
    between right and that they will be unable to swim symetrically?

    Again you misrepresent what has been written. Pat is right. You are the
    only person who spoke of deformities. And now you are talking about
    being unable to swim symmetrically. No one said a person with an
    asymmetry can't swim symmetrically. Only you are talking about being
    unable to swim symmetrically. Back to ignore with you.

  8. jtaylor said:

    "Pat in TX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No you haven't. What deformity IS it that you believe that over 50% of
    the
    world has, a deformity so intractable that it is "pointless" to attempt

    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    correct it , and is so severe that it forces people who desire to swim
    Front
    Crawl to do so asymetrically? It's obviously not scoliosis...

    I re-read what Martin originally wrote, and I don't find the word
    "deformity" in there anywhere. Perhaps that is where you have gone on a
    tangent, equating "asymmetry" with "deformity".

    Martin gave (and still gives) as his principle example scoliosis. Most (and
    we're using the word "most" in the way that most people would) people would
    say that scoliosis, if severe to the point of incorrectability, as Martin
    avdances it, is a deformity.

    Nope. I have a scoliosis; I don't see it as deformity. No one even knew
    I had it until my doctor showed me the X-Ray. You are the only one
    talking about deformity.

  9. "rtk" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    See:
    http://spamparadise.free.fr/SilverOlSwim-cinepak200kB.avi

    Quoted message said:

    Your turn. Almost everyone's turn.

    Thank you for your feedback. Will try to fix it, but only once I have fixed
    the left arm pull. As mentionned in the original post, I know my turns are
    lousy, but I cannot hope to gain precious seconds in a triathlon with better
    turns! You should know that!

    -- Olivier

  10. "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news: >>>>I
    was trying to do exactly that which you have quoted, below:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    No, you weren't because what you have quoted below doesn't lead to your
    question.

    What you quoted below IS my question.

    I didn't quote anything below. I have explained multiple times why your
    question doesn't apply to what I wrote. I have explained multiple times
    what I wrote. There is nothing more I can do but put you back on ignore.
    Sorry, but this is a waste of time.

    I am happy that I could generate again one of these utterly nonsensical,
    surrealistic, endless dialogues between Martin and jtaylor. A fantastic
    source of mixed perplexity, fun, psychology and inspiration for me.

    I even think I began to miss them, lately.

    -- Olivier

  11. Silver0l said:

    "rtk" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    See:
    http://spamparadise.free.fr/SilverOlSwim-cinepak200kB.avi

    Quoted message said:

    Your turn. Almost everyone's turn.

    Thank you for your feedback. Will try to fix it, but only once I have fixed
    the left arm pull. As mentionned in the original post, I know my turns are
    lousy, but I cannot hope to gain precious seconds in a triathlon with better
    turns! You should know that!

    -- Olivier


    No, no, no, not lousy. Those are good turns, good position, it seems to
    me. Just the usual arm movement that doesn't make a lot of sense, but
    isn't terrible either. Triathlon? I didn't know that was the purpose
    of your swim. I don't even really try to gain seconds in the swim of a
    triathlon. It's so difficult to take off time in the water and so
    extremely easy in the transition. How about a nice movie of your
    transition? I'll bet anything we could gnaw on that bone for a while.

    rtk

  12. Quoted message said:


    Do you think that over half of all people have such a dramatic difference
    between right and that they will be unable to swim symetrically?

    Are we looking for perfection, here? I have noticed that I have never seen a
    photo of a person's face that is bilaterally symmetrical, too. I don't think
    humans can be perfectly symmetrical--after all, if my right side is more
    muscular and stronger, won't that part of my swim stroke be a little
    stronger, too? And who among us is equally strong on both sides? I have
    noticed a creeping to the lane line when I swim the backstroke. I am
    constantly having to adjust for that so I can be in the middle of the lane.

    I would bet you that if you swam with closed eyes that you would slowly move
    to one side of the lane....

    Pat

    Quoted message said:


  13. Silver0l said:

    I am happy that I could generate again one of these utterly nonsensical,
    surrealistic, endless dialogues between Martin and jtaylor. A fantastic
    source of mixed perplexity, fun, psychology and inspiration for me.

    I even think I began to miss them, lately.

    -- Olivier

    Olivier:

    I agree. The exchanges between Martin and J are a lot of fun. I hope
    that they keep it up.

    Andres

  14. "Pat in TX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Do you think that over half of all people have such a dramatic difference
    between right and that they will be unable to swim symetrically?

    Are we looking for perfection, here? I have noticed that I have never seen
    a photo of a person's face that is bilaterally symmetrical,

    I recall watching something on tv (discovery channel-type program) that was
    discussing a link between facial symmetry and perception of 'beauty' or
    eligibility in a potential mate..something about symmetry being a subtle
    indicator of meeting satisfactory requirements.

    too. I don't think

    Quoted message said:

    humans can be perfectly symmetrical--after all, if my right side is more
    muscular and stronger, won't that part of my swim stroke be a little
    stronger, too? And who among us is equally strong on both sides? I have
    noticed a creeping to the lane line when I swim the backstroke.

    Again, I recall hearing that rowing in the open ocean almost always results
    in moving in circles without a fixed point of reference....[censored], what
    with these two 'factoids' and my Million Dollar Baby contribution on the
    breathing technique string, I'm on a roll this morning...

    I am

    Quoted message said:

    constantly having to adjust for that so I can be in the middle of the
    lane.

    I would bet you that if you swam with closed eyes that you would slowly
    move to one side of the lane....

    Pat

    Quoted message said:


  15. <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I agree. The exchanges between Martin and J are a lot of fun. I hope
    that they keep it up.

    Yeah. The ultimate Unmitteilbarkeit. Simply fascinating...

    Just too bad they stopped...

    -- Olivier

  16. "rtk" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Triathlon? I didn't know that was the purpose of your swim. I don't even
    really try to gain seconds in the swim of a triathlon. It's so difficult
    to take off time in the water and so extremely easy in the transition.
    How about a nice movie of your transition? I'll bet anything we could
    gnaw on that bone for a while.

    Yes, but I would have to post this movie in rst, where I don't know the
    people. And I I would have to wait until May or June for the first races.
    And I would certainly miss the opportunity of igniting a flame war between j
    and Martin. And I would have to be able to convince my wife to come see (and
    film) a race, which is not realistic in a foreseeable future. Maybe after
    retirement?

    My transition IS lousy. Even much worse than my turn. I simply can't get off
    this stupid wetsuit in a reasonnable time. And the only time I could decide
    to train in doing that outside a race, I made a big hole in my 500 euros
    Orca wetsuit... Will definitively have to improve my stroke.

    -- Olivier

  17. Silver0l wrote:
    I simply can't get off

    Quoted message said:

    this stupid wetsuit in a reasonnable time.

    Have you tried putting gooey slimy stuff on the outside as well as
    inside of the suit? It's not just friction between you and it; it's
    also between it and itself. I'm a master wetsuit GetItOffer.

    rtk

    Quoted message said:


  18. "rtk" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Silver0l wrote:
    I simply can't get off

    Quoted message said:

    this stupid wetsuit in a reasonnable time.

    Have you tried putting gooey slimy stuff on the outside as well as inside
    of the suit? It's not just friction between you and it; it's also between
    it and itself. I'm a master wetsuit GetItOffer.

    Really interested in that.
    What do you mean with "gooey slimy stuff" ?
    Don't want to damage my suit again...

    -- Olivier

  19. Silver0l said:


    Really interested in that.
    What do you mean with "gooey slimy stuff" ?
    Don't want to damage my suit again...

    -- Olivier

    (I'm whispering) KY jelly works wonders.

    Safe for wetsuits, too.

    Quoted message said:
  20. Silver0l said:

    <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I agree. The exchanges between Martin and J are a lot of fun. I hope
    that they keep it up.

    Yeah. The ultimate Unmitteilbarkeit. Simply fascinating...

    Just too bad they stopped...

    -- Olivier


    I looked up Unmitteilbarkeit and the translation was "directness,
    immediacy." I suspect the dictionary I looked at is missing some nuance?
    Madelaine

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