Ferrous Sulfate Supplementation

Too Tall said:

For / Against during in season training?

for deffinately, but remember you need vitamin B to aid in the absorbtion of iron, and Vit C to help assist the absorbtion of vitamin B.

Ferrous sulphate is an iron preparation. Iron is a vital component of haemoglobin (oxygen-carrying pigment of red blood cells) and is therefore important in the formation of red blood cells. It is also a component of myoglobin, a pigment which stores oxygen in muscles for use during exercise.
Iron is an essential component of several enzymes and is involved the uptake of oxygen by the cells and the conversion of blood sugar to energy.

plus Vit B helps in the utilization of energy from carbohydrates.

or you could just eat some meat. I've heard this also has iron in it. ;-)

Too Tall said:

For / Against during in season training?

Do not iron supplement, unless you have been specifically advised by a doctor who is monitoring your situation. At best, unless you are iron deficient it will do nothing (except waste your money) and at worse can cause severe issues (haemochromatosis)

ric

Too Tall said:

For / Against during in season training?

I have been riding atleast an hour 6 days a week and have been runing out of steam about half way through my workout unless I have a little red meat the day before. I would prefer supplementing Heme iron (red meat most absorbable form) to avoid the phosphorus of red meat. Does anyone know if there is a Heme iron supplement out there?

wiredued said:

I have been riding atleast an hour 6 days a week and have been runing out of steam about half way through my workout unless I have a little red meat the day before. I would prefer supplementing Heme iron (red meat most absorbable form) to avoid the phosphorus of red meat. Does anyone know if there is a Heme iron supplement out there?

why do you suspect that you're running out of steam is due to an iron deficiency, when it could be many other factors? if you're at all concerned that you're iron deficient you need to visit your doctor for a blood test, and not just to check your haemoglobin level.

ric

ric_stern/RST said:

why do you suspect that you're running out of steam is due to an iron deficiency, when it could be many other factors? if you're at all concerned that you're iron deficient you need to visit your doctor for a blood test, and not just to check your haemoglobin level.

ric

If I ever get hit by a car and need my arm sewn back on that would be a good time to visit the doctor. For making small adjustments to my supplements I think a blood test would be no more accurate than paying attention to symtoms of overdose and deficiency.

wiredued said:

If I ever get hit by a car and need my arm sewn back on that would be a good time to visit the doctor. For making small adjustments to my supplements I think a blood test would be no more accurate than paying attention to symtoms of overdose and deficiency.

actually, you'd visit a surgeon for that.

supplements aren't required assuming that you eat a normal mixed diet, including being a vegetarian, when you're in an equal energy balance or are slowly reducing fat mass. this applies to elite athletes as well.

considering that your exercise volume is low, and you seem to be struggling after ~30-mins it could be any number of issues, from fatigue, chronic glycogen depletion, burnout, illness, or even iron depletion.

supplementing with iron is a really bad idea, i suggest you see your doctor if you think your iron stores are low. don't visit your surgeon.

ric

Thanks for the considerate replies. Agreed I should get a ferritin blood test first. Good news bad news. In retrospect I did not get the test and did take a low dose supplement for 12 weeks and am feeling much better. Bad news is I'll never know if low ferritin was infact the problem or not.

ric_stern/RST said:

actually, you'd visit a surgeon for that.

supplements aren't required assuming that you eat a normal mixed diet, including being a vegetarian, when you're in an equal energy balance or are slowly reducing fat mass. this applies to elite athletes as well.

considering that your exercise volume is low, and you seem to be struggling after ~30-mins it could be any number of issues, from fatigue, chronic glycogen depletion, burnout, illness, or even iron depletion.

supplementing with iron is a really bad idea, i suggest you see your doctor if you think your iron stores are low. don't visit your surgeon.

ric

Actually surgeons are doctors also. I am aware of the dangers of iron overload I have been on the high side in the past Bill Sardi's book "The Iron Time Bomb" is worth reading. I have avoided red meat in the past to correct this but with activity levels increasing (although not much by elite standards) this combined with fasting about 18 hours a week has brought me back to the point where I add iron to my diet again on an as needed basis. My opinions about doctors is not meant to start an argument with you it is my opinion based on my own experiences with doctors and your question asked for my reasons.

wiredued said:

Actually surgeons are doctors also. I am aware of the dangers of iron overload I have been on the high side in the past Bill Sardi's book "The Iron Time Bomb" is worth reading. I have avoided red meat in the past to correct this but with activity levels increasing (although not much by elite standards) this combined with fasting about 18 hours a week has brought me back to the point where I add iron to my diet again on an as needed basis. My opinions about doctors is not meant to start an argument with you it is my opinion based on my own experiences with doctors and your question asked for my reasons.

if you pull down the bottom of your eye, that pink flesh there should be pink or dark in colour, if it is pail (grey) then you may need a supplement

If you have iron deficiency anemia, you may feel tired or look pale. Iron deficiency anemia is a common type of anemia — a condition in which blood is low on healthy red blood cells, which carry oxygen to tissues. Oxygenated blood gives your body energy and your skin a healthy color.

As the name implies, iron deficiency anemia is due to insufficient iron. Your body needs the mineral iron to make hemoglobin, a substance in red blood cells that enables them to carry oxygen.

Iron deficiency anemia is common, especially in women. One in five women and half of all pregnant women are iron deficient. The cause of iron deficiency anemia can be a lack of iron in your diet, inadequate absorption of iron, or some form of blood loss, such as from menstruation or slow, internal bleeding. Iron deficiency anemia can also occur with pregnancy. It can develop at any age. Although iron deficiency is a common form of anemia, there are many other types, so if you suspect you have anemia, see your doctor.

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closesupport said:

if you pull down the bottom of your eye, that pink flesh there should be pink or dark in colour, if it is pail (grey) then you may need a supplement

If you have iron deficiency anemia, you may feel tired or look pale. Iron deficiency anemia is a common type of anemia — a condition in which blood is low on healthy red blood cells, which carry oxygen to tissues. Oxygenated blood gives your body energy and your skin a healthy color.

As the name implies, iron deficiency anemia is due to insufficient iron. Your body needs the mineral iron to make hemoglobin, a substance in red blood cells that enables them to carry oxygen.

Iron deficiency anemia is common, especially in women. One in five women and half of all pregnant women are iron deficient. The cause of iron deficiency anemia can be a lack of iron in your diet, inadequate absorption of iron, or some form of blood loss, such as from menstruation or slow, internal bleeding. Iron deficiency anemia can also occur with pregnancy. It can develop at any age. Although iron deficiency is a common form of anemia, there are many other types, so if you suspect you have anemia, see your doctor.

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Or you could get a blood test. What would be wrong with using the best and most accurate method to diagnose an insufficiency?

Roadie_scum said:

Or you could get a blood test. What would be wrong with using the best and most accurate method to diagnose an insufficiency?

yes you could get blood tested, which will ony tell you your blood count as long as it is between 10 and 14 or above 17 or below 10 would they tell you, probaly the easiest way is as i stated, look at the colour o the eye and the surunding tissue, you should take a little time to get to know your body, other than that you could go off the colour of your faeces, like if it is slimy looking, then your getting to much fat, or if it is dark in colour (black is a sign that you have enough or if lts pail yellowing usually is an indication that you require an aditional surce of iron).

as with urine if it is dark, then you have a larger supply of fats being used as energy. Ketosis and pssibly signs of dehydration.

closesupport said:

yes you could get blood tested, which will ony tell you your blood count as long as it is between 10 and 14 or above 17 or below 10 would they tell you, probaly the easiest way is as i stated, look at the colour o the eye and the surunding tissue, you should take a little time to get to know your body, other than that you could go off the colour of your faeces, like if it is slimy looking, then your getting to much fat, or if it is dark in colour (black is a sign that you have enough or if lts pail yellowing usually is an indication that you require an aditional surce of iron).

as with urine if it is dark, then you have a larger supply of fats being used as energy. Ketosis and pssibly signs of dehydration.

I think you should master English expression before you chance your hand at physiology. What are you talking about?

Roadie_scum said:

I think you should master English expression before you chance your hand at physiology. What are you talking about?

Anemia occurs when the amount of hemoglobin (found in the red blood cells) drops below normal. Hemoglobin is necessary for the transportation of oxygen throughout the body. There are many different types of anemia

yes you could get blood tested, which will only tell you your blood count as long as it is between 10 and 14 which is healthy or above 17 or below 10, which is unhealthy, they would tell you,

probaly the easiest way is as i stated, look at the colour of the eye and the surounding tissue, you should take a little time to get to know your body . if the eye is yellow opsed to white ie jaundice, high red blood cell volume; this increases the bilirubin load. The bilirubin is then carried to the liver where it is processed and eventually excreted from the body.This is the type of jaundice that is caused because of the natural process of breaking down red blood cells.
Both of these conditions result in a very fast breakdown of red blood cells. Also, jaundice may appear in persons with physical defects in the organs that work to eliminate bilirubin from the body

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other than that you could go off the colour of your faeces (poo), like if it is slimy looking, then your getting to much fat, or if it is dark in colour (black is a sign that you have enough or if lts pail yellowing usually is an indication that you require an aditional surce of iron).

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as with urine if it is dark, then you have a larger supply of fats being used as energy. Ketosis and pssibly signs of dehydration.



Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis
Good nutrition is vital for good health. However, a great diet is useless if your body can't digest, absorb or utilize the food you eat. First developed by Meridian Labs, the Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis (CDSA) employs a series of tests to evaluate digestion.

Meat and vegetable fibers are measured in your stool as are fats to gauge absorption. Lab technicians look for blood and mucus in your stool (both should be absent), and record stool color. Stomach acid is measured along with enzyme levels and bile. Even a predisposition to colon cancer can be detected. The healthy intestine houses over 400 bacteria and other bugs. A simple stool sample reveals what and how many yeast, bacteria and parasites live inside you, and whether this population coexists in a healthy balance. An abnormally high ratio of pathogenic bacteria and other microbes creates an unhealthy state called dysbiosis.

Roadie_scum said:

I think you should master English expression before you chance your hand at physiology. What are you talking about?

i've wondered the same thing, about many of his/hers responses. additionally there's often never a point and just a diatribe of words.

ric

closesupport said:

yes you could get blood tested, which will only tell you your blood count as long as it is between 10 and 14 which is healthy or above 17 or below 10, which is unhealthy, they would tell you,

any tests i've seen or done gives the actual amount whatever the value and a diagnosis. as i alluded to in my earlier post you don't just have your haemoglobin measured if you believe or your doctor suspects that you're anaemic but you need to have your serum ferritin measured as well, due to the increased plasma volume from endurance exercise, and the "decrease" in haemoglobin (sports anaemia) which is actually an increase in haemoglobin, but at a smaller rate than than the plasma volume. This can lead to impression that you're anaemic (when haemoglobin content is measured).

ric

ric_stern/RST said:

i've wondered the same thing, about many of his/hers responses. additionally there's often never a point and just a diatribe of words.

ric

like i said earlier, i'm for ensuring i get enough iron, i stated the reason why, and how to tell if you have or havent got the required amount, also how to notice the signs that one is getting to much. I also made a point that Vitamin B is required along with vitamin C just to ensure that one is not taking onboard iron, but having nothing to aid its asortion.

plus, if you search for the words that you don't understand on google or whatever you will find a greater understanding for them.

ive listed 3 signs of iron defficiency, pail brittle nails, the eye thing, and stools, you shouldn't need to visit a doctor, if your everyday activities aren't effected. i never once however stated that vitamin supplements should e taen, all vitamins and minerrals come from food and the diet, just eat a little more of the foods rich in iron

other than that go spend some time at a higher altitude when you ride.

closesupport said:

plus, if you search for the words that you don't understand on google or whatever you will find a greater understanding for them.

what makes you think i don't understand what you wrote? i said that your posts never had a point to them half the time.

ric

ric_stern/RST said:

what makes you think i don't understand what you wrote? i said that your posts never had a point to them half the time.

ric

maybe your right, i'll not bother infuture. i just thought it was educational, plus someone would have a little understanding to what is happening and go learn a little more since all the words where in place. to seach for there meanings.