First time bike builder: play between the fork and frame, what to do?



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mike anderson wrote:

> The problem is that there is a play between the suspension fork (SR
> Suntour) and the frame, I estimate it to about a 4 mm play. What could
> be done about it, are thicker ball rings the solution?


Buy the proper parts for the bike.

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7/16/2004
10:46 AM [GMT-8]
 
"mike anderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I am building my first bike ever, a mountain bike and, since this is a
> learning experience, I am using mostly inexpensive used parts together
> with a Crescent aluminum frame.
>
> The problem is that there is a play between the suspension fork (SR
> Suntour) and the frame, I estimate it to about a 4 mm play. What could
> be done about it, are thicker ball rings the solution?
>
> Any help would be most appreciated, thanks,
> mike


I'm not sure what you mean by "ball rings". I'm guessing ball bearings in a
"cage". If the frame & fork were not originally assembled together, then
perhaps you have a compatibility problem. The "headset" is the set of 2
bearings that the fork swivels on. The frame has "cups" pressed into the top
and bottom of the "headtube". The fork has a "crown race" pressed on to the
"steer tube". You may have a mismatch between the crown race and bottom cup.
You may also be putting one or both of the "ball rings" upside down. Just
guessing...
 
Peter Cole wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "ball rings".


{opens mouth to say something, but...nah!}

Bill "rare restraint" S.
 
I am building my first bike ever, a mountain bike and, since this is a
learning experience, I am using mostly inexpensive used parts together
with a Crescent aluminum frame.

The problem is that there is a play between the suspension fork (SR
Suntour) and the frame, I estimate it to about a 4 mm play. What could
be done about it, are thicker ball rings the solution?

Any help would be most appreciated, thanks,
mike
 
"mike anderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Quoth Peter Cole ...
>
> >I'm not sure what you mean by "ball rings". I'm guessing ball bearings in a
> >"cage". If the frame & fork were not originally assembled together, then
> >perhaps you have a compatibility problem. The "headset" is the set of 2
> >bearings that the fork swivels on. The frame has "cups" pressed into the

top
> >and bottom of the "headtube". The fork has a "crown race" pressed on to the
> >"steer tube". You may have a mismatch between the crown race and bottom

cup.
> >You may also be putting one or both of the "ball rings" upside down. Just
> >guessing...
> >

>
> Thanks for helping.
>
> I guess that I did not describe my problem very well. What I meant
> with "ball rings" was indeed: the headset. I realize know that I might
> have get a new suspension fork which steerer better fits the head
> tube. I thought that there were standards so that you could use most
> forks with most head tubes ...


Yes, pretty much so. The current standard fork has a 1.125" steerer, some
older ones had 1". That may be your problem, or it may be that you have parts
from 2 different headsets, where the "crown race" pressed on the fork (is
actually part of -- and sold with -- the headset assembly) is not compatible
with the cups on the frame (perhaps part of a different headset). It may *not*
be that you need a new fork, it may be that you need a new headset. If your
frame and fork weren't originally mated, or you buy a new fork with a
different diameter, you'll need a new headset anyway. Cups and crown races
aren't interchangeable, even if the steer tube diameter is the same -- even if
the manufacturer is the same (speaking from experience here).




>
> Thanks again,
> mike
 
mike anderson said...

> By the way, you don't happen to know what size of steerer I need; The
> diameter of the head tube - outer edges of the upper head race, not
> inside the full head tube so to say - is 35 mm or 1 3/8 inch? My
> steerer have an outer dimension of 1 1/8 inch. Perhaps a 1 1/4 steerer
> would work?
>
> Thanks
> mike


Stupid question: did you install the crown race?
 
Quoth Peter Cole ...

>I'm not sure what you mean by "ball rings". I'm guessing ball bearings in a
>"cage". If the frame & fork were not originally assembled together, then
>perhaps you have a compatibility problem. The "headset" is the set of 2
>bearings that the fork swivels on. The frame has "cups" pressed into the top
>and bottom of the "headtube". The fork has a "crown race" pressed on to the
>"steer tube". You may have a mismatch between the crown race and bottom cup.
>You may also be putting one or both of the "ball rings" upside down. Just
>guessing...
>


Thanks for helping.

I guess that I did not describe my problem very well. What I meant
with "ball rings" was indeed: the headset. I realize know that I might
have get a new suspension fork which steerer better fits the head
tube. I thought that there were standards so that you could use most
forks with most head tubes ...

Thanks again,
mike
 
Quoth Peter Cole ...

>
>You may also be putting one or both of the "ball rings" upside down. Just
>guessing...
>


By the way, you don't happen to know what size of steerer I need; The
diameter of the head tube - outer edges of the upper head race, not
inside the full head tube so to say - is 35 mm or 1 3/8 inch? My
steerer have an outer dimension of 1 1/8 inch. Perhaps a 1 1/4 steerer
would work?

Thanks
mike