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  1. I thought of you when I read this London recipe this morning:

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    SHEPHERD'S PIE

    Recipe By :The House (Gastropub), London, UK
    -------- ------------ --------------------------------
    FILLING:
    4 lamb shanks
    salt and pepper
    vegetable oil -- for frying
    2 large onions
    2 large carrots -- peeled, topped and tailed
    2 celery sticks
    4 cloves garlic -- chopped
    1 bay leaf
    2 thyme sprigs
    chicken stock -- to cover
    1 small bunch flat-leaf parsley -- finely chopped
    FOR THE MASH TOPPING:
    3 large red potatoes -- peeled
    5 1/2 fluid ounces double cream
    4 unsalted butter

    1. Preheat the oven to 180ºc/350ºf/gas mark 4.

    2. Season the lamb shanks well. Heat a little vegetable oil in a hot frying
    pan, then brown the lamb all over.

    3. Put the shanks in a large casserole with the whole vegetables, garlic,
    bay leaf and thyme, and cover with chicken stock.

    4. Place a round of greaseproof paper on top of the meat and vegetables and
    put in the oven to braise for 2 1/2-3 hours, until the meat is falling off
    the bones.

    5. Remove the meat and vegetables from the stock and pick out the sprigs of
    thyme. Bring the stock to the boil and reduce by about two-thirds.

    6. Pick the meat off the bones and flake. Cut the vegetables into small
    pieces and put both meat and vegetables in a bowl with the reduced stock and
    chopped parsley. Check the seasoning, then transfer to a shallow ovenproof
    dish.

    7. Cook the potatoes until tender, drain and let them rest for 3-4 minutes.
    In a small saucepan, slowly bring the cream and butter to the boil. Remove
    from the heat. Mash the potatoes, adding the hot cream and butter mixture,
    and season. Pipe or spread the mash on top of the meat, then cook in the
    preheated oven for 25 minutes, until the mash is golden brown. Serve.

    Source:
    ""Visit Britain""

    Dora
    [email hidden]

  2. "limey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    I thought of you when I read this London recipe this morning:


    (snip shepherd's pie recipe)

    Just to make the plot thicker, I just looked up my mother's English
    "Elizabeth Craig's Household Library - Cookery", published in 1948. And
    what does Elizabeth say?

    "Shepherd's Pie -
    (first item) 1 lb. cooked meat

    Absolutely no mention of which meat.
    At the end, she says, "1. This dish is sometimes called Cottage Pie.
    2. Uncooked minced meat can be substituted for the cooked meat if liked,
    but it should be fried lightly in the fat with the onions before using."

    All that is the way I remember it.

    Dora

  3. limey said:

    "limey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    I thought of you when I read this London recipe this morning:


    (snip shepherd's pie recipe)

    Just to make the plot thicker, I just looked up my mother's English
    "Elizabeth Craig's Household Library - Cookery", published in 1948. And
    what does Elizabeth say?

    "Shepherd's Pie -
    (first item) 1 lb. cooked meat

    Absolutely no mention of which meat.
    At the end, she says, "1. This dish is sometimes called Cottage Pie.
    2. Uncooked minced meat can be substituted for the cooked meat if liked,
    but it should be fried lightly in the fat with the onions before using."

    All that is the way I remember it.

    See <http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodpies.html#shepherdspie>.

    Victor

  4. "limey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "limey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    I thought of you when I read this London recipe this morning:


    (snip shepherd's pie recipe)

    Just to make the plot thicker, I just looked up my mother's English
    "Elizabeth Craig's Household Library - Cookery", published in 1948. And
    what does Elizabeth say?

    "Shepherd's Pie -
    (first item) 1 lb. cooked meat

    Absolutely no mention of which meat.
    At the end, she says, "1. This dish is sometimes called Cottage Pie.
    2. Uncooked minced meat can be substituted for the cooked meat if liked,
    but it should be fried lightly in the fat with the onions before using."

    All that is the way I remember it.

    Dora

    As far as my memory for history lessons goes, the original shepherds pie was
    made with whatever meat, or meats he could get either from his own flock or
    by trading with cattle or pig farmers, and the spuds he got from trading
    with farmers.

    Seth.

    http://www.easychineseathome.co.uk

  5. Following up to limey

    Quoted message said:

    I thought of you when I read this London recipe this morning:

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    SHEPHERD'S PIE

    Recipe By :The House (Gastropub), London, UK
    -------- ------------ --------------------------------
    FILLING:
    4 lamb shanks

    Phew!

    Quite a nice recipe by the look of it.
    --
    Mike Reid
    Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
    Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

  6. Following up to Victor Sack

    Quoted message said:

    See <http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodpies.html#shepherdspie>.

    that agrees with Davidson, Grigson and Larousse.
    --
    Mike Reid
    Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
    Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    4 lamb shanks

    That recipe made me envision meadows filled with legless and
    handicapped lambs being herded by a fat shepherd.

  8. "Judith Umbria" wrote in message >>>4 lamb shanks

    Quoted message said:


    That recipe made me envision meadows filled with legless and
    handicapped lambs being herded by a fat shepherd.

    That's comical! I'm pretty amused by the recipe - at home, it was usually
    our way to use up the leftovers (or, as my mother called them for some
    unknown reason, "the awful". I could never understand how something so good
    on Sunday could be "awful" on Monday.

    Dora

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    The Reid said:

    Following up to Victor Sack

    Quoted message said:

    See <http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodpies.html#shepherdspie>.

    that agrees with Davidson, Grigson and Larousse.

    What's important is that it agrees with Bubba. "-)
    --
    http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 11-7-05 with the first story
    about our trip to San Francisco for Nephew Pat's wedding last weekend.

  10. limey said:

    "Shepherd's Pie -
    (first item) 1 lb. cooked meat

    Absolutely no mention of which meat.

    For what it's worth, Marguerite Patten's 'The Victory Cookbook' says
    much the same. There was little point in being too picky about
    specifying in recipes the sort of meat to cook with in the UK in 1948.
    You cooked with what was available. There wasn't a lot of choice.

    Giles

  11. "Giles Todd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    limey said:

    "Shepherd's Pie -
    (first item) 1 lb. cooked meat

    Absolutely no mention of which meat.

    For what it's worth, Marguerite Patten's 'The Victory Cookbook' says
    much the same. There was little point in being too picky about
    specifying in recipes the sort of meat to cook with in the UK in 1948.
    You cooked with what was available. There wasn't a lot of choice.

    Giles

    And you probably didn't use a pound of it!

    Dora

  12. On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:57:15 GMT, "limey" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [The meat in 1948 Shepherd's Pie]

    Quoted message said:

    And you probably didn't use a pound of it!

    <*laugh*>

    Most likely not. Mr Atlee would have been very cross.

    Giles

  13. On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 02:01:54 +0100, Giles Todd <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    limey said:

    "Shepherd's Pie -
    (first item) 1 lb. cooked meat

    Absolutely no mention of which meat.

    For what it's worth, Marguerite Patten's 'The Victory Cookbook' says
    much the same.

    There's a similar discussion going on in alt.fan.pratchett at the
    moment. There it is stated that the meat is "the lamb's bollocks".

    HTH :-)

    John
    --
    John Ewing
    Glaschu / Glasgow
    Alba / Scotland

  14. "John Ewing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 02:01:54 +0100, Giles Todd <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    limey said:

    "Shepherd's Pie -
    (first item) 1 lb. cooked meat

    Absolutely no mention of which meat.

    For what it's worth, Marguerite Patten's 'The Victory Cookbook' says
    much the same.

    There's a similar discussion going on in alt.fan.pratchett at the
    moment. There it is stated that the meat is "the lamb's bollocks".

    HTH :-)

    John

    Oh, dear. Judith, are you reading this? Those poor sheep.

    Dora

  15. What my mother used to use for Sheperd's Pie (She was born and raised in
    Dartford, Kent UK)

    Was a mixture of Beel, and Pork mostly (like a meatloaf mix), and while
    cooking down the Meat, would add a couple of Cubes of Beef Oxo. Oxo does
    also come in Lamb Flavor also.

    For Steak and Mushroom, or Steak and Kidney Pie, the Beef Oxo Cubes is
    still the very best thing to use. There's no comparable substitute.
    Mark

  16. "Mark D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What my mother used to use for Sheperd's Pie (She was born and raised
    in
    Dartford, Kent UK)

    Was a mixture of Beel, and Pork mostly (like a meatloaf mix), and
    while
    cooking down the Meat, would add a couple of Cubes of Beef Oxo. Oxo
    does
    also come in Lamb Flavor also.

    For Steak and Mushroom, or Steak and Kidney Pie, the Beef Oxo Cubes is
    still the very best thing to use. There's no comparable substitute.

    Yeughhhhhhhhh Oxo in dishes makes them taste of nothing but Oxo🙁

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