frame angles...

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by jar-jar
There are good reasons for this of course, but for those of us who like to ride 'á la Jan' its a bit of a problem...

I'm not sure I understand. Jan Ullrich's Bianchi EV3s and EV4 in the '03 TDF had a 72 degree seat tube angle, which hardly makes for an upright riding position.

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Ted B
I'm not sure I understand. Jan Ullrich's Bianchi EV3s and EV4 in the '03 TDF had a 72 degree seat tube angle, which hardly makes for an upright riding position.

Sorry for the confusion... damn I really am British...

It was the frame not the position that I was referring to when I said 'upright'. In this case, 72 degrees is not THAT extreme (71-74 degrees is normal I think).

I like to ride in a position with the saddle more above the bottom bracket, rather than having it way out in front of me. Hence the Jan reference.

Does this help?

http://www.feltracing.com/2004_bikes/sr71.html

Geometry link at the bottom of the page..

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by jar-jar
I like to ride in a position with the saddle more above the bottom bracket, rather than having it way out in front of me. Hence the Jan reference.

Well, we are talking about the same thing, and Jan's bikes last year had a 72 degree seat tube angle, which is rather 'slack', and does put the seat fairly well behind the BB. If it appears otherwise, it is an illusion.

Most road bikes have 72-74 degree seat tube angles. About the only way you will get a steeper angle is with a time trial bike.

Check-out Rivendell bikes. Their whole philosophy is that most people should be riding in a more upright position. Their frame design and fitting methods all revolve around this approach.

http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/

Unfortunately I think you might find that their frame prices are a bit higher than the range you specified. But I'm not sure about that.

Here are some frames with 74+ http://members.iinet.net.au/~wonko/

Thanks guys. Been a good help...🙂