Frankie Fired

B. Lafferty said:

Frankie claims to have an contract that provides for a warning, not firing,
should he miss a race. This is going to be an interesting story no matter
where it goes. Maybe Tucker is planning something in the future with
Wordin.

Dumbass -

Firing someone is not in the same league with what Wordin did.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Dumbass -

Firing someone is not in the same league with what Wordin did.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Amen. Hope those guys ended up getting paid.

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Frank Drackman wrote:
> "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > From VeloNews:
> >
> > "Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from
> > Frankie Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling
> > Team.
> >
> > "On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
> > France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
> > Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed
> > to
> > be told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting
> > together
> > this first year team. I know the team will continue their winning
> > ways
> > because it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
> > Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and
> > we
> > will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details
> > become
> > available. "
> >
> > This should be interesting.
>
> You did some selective editing. The whole article can be found at:
> http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html
>
> More information from the article that I think is important::
>
> "Contacted by VeloNews.com, Andreu said that team owner Sean Tucker
> told him
> that the dismissal was based on his failure to attend the three-day
> Nevada
> stage race, which runs from June 24-26.
> "I had written Sean an e-mail telling him 'look, I just spent a
> week-and-a-half up in Philly, I'm going to be home for one day, then
> supposed to go to Tour de Nez - which will be a total of five days -
> and
> then, after being home for two days, I go to France for a month,'"
> Andreu
> said. "I just said I need to spend time with my family. It would have
> been
> really tough on our kids had I not stayed home that week." "
>
> It sounds more like that the owner of the team felt that Frankie was
> not
> fully committed to being DS for the team. I can imagine a discussion
> when
> Frankie told the team management that he had been contacted to work the
> Tour
> de France for OLN and telling the team that it would not conflict with
> the
> team. When the Tour de Nez came around Frankie was burnt out and
> instead of
> cancelling the OLN gig he skipped the race. He returns from France to
> find
> out that the team feels that he didn't live up to his commitments and
> is
> fired.

Imagine the [censored] that must have been going on at home after the
Armstrong trial thing came out into the open. Frankie is out on the
road every day, meanwhile his wife is back home getting attacked from
50 different angles over what she'd said in the trial (And those of us
who are married...we all know that Frankie had to back his wife). If
put in the same position, I think I'd take the same approach as Frankie
did.

It all depends on what your priorities are. If family is number one then
don't take a job that takes you away from home so much. If developing a
U.S. based racing team is number one, don't take the OLN gig. If
broadcasting is number one, help start a bike racing team. Pretty
simple, I continually have to make similar choices and knowing what your
priorities are makes it easy.

Frankie claims to have an contract that provides for a warning, not
firing, should he miss a race. This is going to be an interesting story
no matter where it goes. Maybe Tucker is planning something in the future
with Wordin.

I couldn't find where Frankie spoke about the contract details, do you have
a link? If the contract did provide for a warning for the first time he his
a race they might have been concerned about his priorities before he came
aboard. It sounds like team management was upset about his priorities and
might have been looking for a way to get rid of him. I wonder is the team
can say that missing multiple stages of a stage race is enough to violate
the contract clause.

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B. Lafferty said:

Frankie claims to have an contract that provides for a warning, not
firing,
should he miss a race. This is going to be an interesting story no
matter
where it goes. Maybe Tucker is planning something in the future with
Wordin.

Dumbass -

Firing someone is not in the same league with what Wordin did.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Either way, the pay check stops.

Frank Drackman said:

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> Frank Drackman wrote:
>> "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> > From VeloNews:
>> >
>> > "Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from
>> > Frankie Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling
>> > Team.
>> >
>> > "On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
>> > France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
>> > Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed
>> > to
>> > be told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting
>> > together
>> > this first year team. I know the team will continue their winning
>> > ways
>> > because it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
>> > Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and
>> > we
>> > will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details
>> > become
>> > available. "
>> >
>> > This should be interesting.
>>
>> You did some selective editing. The whole article can be found at:
>> http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html
>>
>> More information from the article that I think is important::
>>
>> "Contacted by VeloNews.com, Andreu said that team owner Sean Tucker
>> told him
>> that the dismissal was based on his failure to attend the three-day
>> Nevada
>> stage race, which runs from June 24-26.
>> "I had written Sean an e-mail telling him 'look, I just spent a
>> week-and-a-half up in Philly, I'm going to be home for one day, then
>> supposed to go to Tour de Nez - which will be a total of five days -
>> and
>> then, after being home for two days, I go to France for a month,'"
>> Andreu
>> said. "I just said I need to spend time with my family. It would have
>> been
>> really tough on our kids had I not stayed home that week." "
>>
>> It sounds more like that the owner of the team felt that Frankie was
>> not
>> fully committed to being DS for the team. I can imagine a discussion
>> when
>> Frankie told the team management that he had been contacted to work the
>> Tour
>> de France for OLN and telling the team that it would not conflict with
>> the
>> team. When the Tour de Nez came around Frankie was burnt out and
>> instead of
>> cancelling the OLN gig he skipped the race. He returns from France to
>> find
>> out that the team feels that he didn't live up to his commitments and
>> is
>> fired.
>
> Imagine the [censored] that must have been going on at home after the
> Armstrong trial thing came out into the open. Frankie is out on the
> road every day, meanwhile his wife is back home getting attacked from
> 50 different angles over what she'd said in the trial (And those of us
> who are married...we all know that Frankie had to back his wife). If
> put in the same position, I think I'd take the same approach as Frankie
> did.
>

It all depends on what your priorities are. If family is number one then
don't take a job that takes you away from home so much. If developing a
U.S. based racing team is number one, don't take the OLN gig. If
broadcasting is number one, help start a bike racing team. Pretty
simple, I continually have to make similar choices and knowing what your
priorities are makes it easy.

Frankie claims to have an contract that provides for a warning, not
firing, should he miss a race. This is going to be an interesting story
no matter where it goes. Maybe Tucker is planning something in the future
with Wordin.

I couldn't find where Frankie spoke about the contract details, do you have
a link? If the contract did provide for a warning for the first time he his
a race they might have been concerned about his priorities before he came
aboard. It sounds like team management was upset about his priorities and
might have been looking for a way to get rid of him. I wonder is the team
can say that missing multiple stages of a stage race is enough to violate
the contract clause.

Today's Velonews.com

The details are not deep, but Frankie does say that he is permitted to
miss "one race" (unspecified as to which one, or what kind of notice or
permission is required). If they were communicating this by email (see
article), and not in-person or on the phone, and did not have the issue
clearly settled, I can see where the owner might be [censored] when Frankie
did not show up.

I also find it hard to believe that anyone would enter into an
employment contract where the only possible penalty for non-compliance
of the terms is a "warning". Something else is up (on both sides).

Did the two of these guys ever have it clearly spelled out that Frankie
had a broacasting job on the side (and that he was expected to attend
all these races in June/July)? If they did, then Frankie has no real
recourse other than to take his family along and put them up in a hotel
with him.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:53:30 -0700, "Frank Drackman" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Contacted by VeloNews.com, Andreu said that team owner Sean Tucker told him
that the dismissal was based on his failure to attend the three-day Nevada
stage race, which runs from June 24-26.
"I had written Sean an e-mail telling him 'look, I just spent a
week-and-a-half up in Philly, I'm going to be home for one day, then
supposed to go to Tour de Nez - which will be a total of five days - and
then, after being home for two days, I go to France for a month,'" Andreu
said. "I just said I need to spend time with my family. It would have been
really tough on our kids had I not stayed home that week." "

It sounds more like that the owner of the team felt that Frankie was not
fully committed to being DS for the team. I can imagine a discussion when
Frankie told the team management that he had been contacted to work the Tour
de France for OLN and telling the team that it would not conflict with the
team. When the Tour de Nez came around Frankie was burnt out and instead of
cancelling the OLN gig he skipped the race. He returns from France to find
out that the team feels that he didn't live up to his commitments and is
fired.

Okay, I'm not a high powered executive or nothin' but if I got a bike team and
the DS isn't getting to races, he's fired. No nothing about it.

Ron

Toyota-United's statement:

Frankie Andreu has been relieved of his duties as co-Team Director of
the Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team, it was announced today by Team
Owner Sean Tucker.

"Frankie has contributed greatly to this team's success and helped with
the team's early development. Unfortunately, due to other obligations
and commitments, Frankie was not able to fulfill his contractual
obligations," said Mr. Tucker.

"This left us no choice but to terminate our relationship. We do
wish him only the best as he pursues other interests. Harm Jansen will
continue as Team Director for Toyota-United, and we are fully confident
that Toyota-United will continue to be successful throughout the rest
of the season."

So yes, they fired him for missing one race (a race they won without
his actual presence, so I suppose that makes one wonder just how
crucial he was).

B. Lafferty said:

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

B. Lafferty said:

Frankie claims to have an contract that provides for a warning, not
firing,
should he miss a race. This is going to be an interesting story no
matter
where it goes. Maybe Tucker is planning something in the future with
Wordin.

Dumbass -

Firing someone is not in the same league with what Wordin did.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Either way, the pay check stops.

Dumbass -

Wordin basically engaged in fraud.

Firing someone isn't fradulent.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Quoted message said:

Dumbass -

Wordin basically engaged in fraud. HUH? I thought Viatel went bankrupt ...not any fraud there unless it was on Viatel's part... or LeMond....

Firing someone isn't fradulent.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.