Freddie has his day! w00t!

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Results

1 Fred Rodriguez (USA) Acquea & Sapone
2 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
3 Angelo Furlan (Ita) Alessio-Bianchi
4 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Lotto-Domo
5 Andris Nauduzs (Lat) Domina Vacanze

And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it! That's a quality win.

-T

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Results

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1 Fred Rodriguez (USA) Acquea & Sapone
2 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
3 Angelo Furlan (Ita) Alessio-Bianchi
4 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Lotto-Domo
5 Andris Nauduzs (Lat) Domina Vacanze

Please show a little courtesy and list the entire
podium in the header, not just the stage winner.

Thanks,

Bob Schwartz
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Tom Schulenburg said:

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Results

1 Fred Rodriguez (USA) Acquea & Sapone
2 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
3 Angelo Furlan (Ita) Alessio-Bianchi
4 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Lotto-Domo
5 Andris Nauduzs (Lat) Domina Vacanze

And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it! That's a quality win.

-T

Unbelievable.... what's up with that? The guy's been getting like 9th in
the sprint stages.

Amazing.

Dan

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And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it! That's a quality win.

-T

Unbelievable.... what's up with that? The guy's been getting like 9th

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the sprint stages.

Amazing.

Dan

Sounded like he showed some nuts and jumped early. He had 2 bike lengths on
Petacchi and Peta couldn't close the gap fast enough. I think it helped that
it was uphill into the wind.

-T

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And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it! That's a quality win.

-T

Unbelievable.... what's up with that? The guy's been getting like 9th

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the sprint stages.

Amazing.

Dan

Sounded like he showed some nuts and jumped early. He had 2 bike lengths on
Petacchi and Peta couldn't close the gap fast enough. I think it helped that
it was uphill into the wind.

-T

Usually headwind means to go late, but uphill complicates matters.

Video (currently only a short one) is up at:
http://www.raisport.rai.it/raiSportSezioneIndex/0,5785,_78_123_7354,00.html

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>And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it! That's a quality win.
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Unbelievable.... what's up with that? The guy's been getting like 9th

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the sprint stages.

Amazing.

Dan

Sounded like he showed some nuts and jumped early. He had 2 bike lengths on
Petacchi and Peta couldn't close the gap fast enough. I think it helped that
it was uphill into the wind.

-T

Usually headwind means to go late, but uphill complicates matters.

Video (currently only a short one) is up at:
http://www.raisport.rai.it/raiSportSezioneIndex/0,5785,_78_123_7354,00.html

There is a pretty good clip (including an overhead replay) linked to this page:

http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2004/ita/index.shtml

Follow the video archive link a little was down the page.

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From CN:

Results

1 Fred Rodriguez (USA) Acquea & Sapone
2 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
3 Angelo Furlan (Ita) Alessio-Bianchi
4 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Lotto-Domo
5 Andris Nauduzs (Lat) Domina Vacanze

And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it! That's a quality win.

-T

Indeed, nothing cheap about it, a very prestigious win.

A shame for Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making tactical
errors rather than congratulate Fred on doing something few so far
have done. I guess graciousness doesn't come easy to him.

Richard Adams said:

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From CN:

Results

1 Fred Rodriguez (USA) Acquea & Sapone
2 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
3 Angelo Furlan (Ita) Alessio-Bianchi
4 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Lotto-Domo
5 Andris Nauduzs (Lat) Domina Vacanze

And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it! That's a quality win.

-T

Indeed, nothing cheap about it, a very prestigious win.

i, er, fell asleep until the very end of the race today, and waking up i
was very surprised to see petacchi getting beat. i'm glad i held off
reading rbr until i watched the video! anyway, after i woke up, i
watched the slow mo a few times cause it's so cool to see him just come
out of fourth position and hold everyone off to win 🙂

heather

Richard Adams said:

Indeed, nothing cheap about it, a very prestigious win.

It was unfair because McEwen was under scrutiny after
yesterday, so he wasn't allowed to cheat.

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A shame for Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making tactical
errors rather than congratulate Fred on doing something few so far
have done. I guess graciousness doesn't come easy to him.

Comments I've seen from Petacchi have rarely (ever?) been arrogant.
From http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/giro04/?id=results/stage9

"Well once in a while, anyone makes a mistake. Fred was smart to
jump early and I probably should have gone earlier and risked a loss -
but I waited and Rodriguez got two bike lengths on me. I came back
really fast but it wasn't enough. He took the risk and he won."

Duking it out in that kind of melee requires a level of self-confidence
that must border on arrogance anyway.

Ben
Not a Sprinter

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Richard Adams said:

Indeed, nothing cheap about it, a very prestigious win.

It was unfair because McEwen was under scrutiny after
yesterday, so he wasn't allowed to cheat.

How he figured he'd get away with that one...

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A shame for Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making tactical
errors rather than congratulate Fred on doing something few so far
have done. I guess graciousness doesn't come easy to him.

Comments I've seen from Petacchi have rarely (ever?) been arrogant.
From http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/giro04/?id=results/stage9

"Well once in a while, anyone makes a mistake. Fred was smart to
jump early and I probably should have gone earlier and risked a loss -
but I waited and Rodriguez got two bike lengths on me. I came back
really fast but it wasn't enough. He took the risk and he won."

I read that as Petacchi giving Rodriguez credit for doing what he may
have known he should have. Petacchi seems to be a pretty good winner, but
he's not so bad a loser.

--
tanx,
Howard

"Moby [censored] was a work of art, What the hell happened?"

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

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It was unfair because McEwen was under scrutiny after
yesterday, so he wasn't allowed to cheat.

I'm not sure FF would agree:
Then as Fassa came back up to the front, the last guy to come around
me going into the corner was Petacchi. So coming out of the last corner
I found myself on Petacchi's wheel, but right away McEwen - the little
boxer that he is - fought for the wheel. Now in the past, I'd wasted way
too much energy fighting for Petacchi's wheel, so I just settled in on
McEwen's.

from:
http://www.velonews.com/diaries/rider/articles/6097.0.html

(BTW, I actually won the VeloNews "pick the stage winner" contest
for Saturday. My pick? Petacchi. Impressive, eh?)

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How he figured he'd get away with that one...

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Originally posted by Richard Adams
A shame for Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making tactical errors
rather than congratulate Fred on doing something few so far have done. I
guess graciousness doesn't come easy to him.

Nothing rivals the well aged wine of Cipollini..."I wanted to come here
with different teamates."

They must love that guy at the team dinners.

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Originally posted by Richard Adams
A shame for Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making tactical errors
rather than congratulate Fred on doing something few so far have done. I
guess graciousness doesn't come easy to him.

Nothing rivals the well aged wine of Cipollini..."I wanted to come here
with different teamates."

They must love that guy at the team dinners.

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Originally posted by Richard Adams
A shame for Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making tactical errors
rather than congratulate Fred on doing something few so far have done. I
guess graciousness doesn't come easy to him.

Nothing rivals the well aged wine of Cipollini..."I wanted to come here
with different teamates."

They must love that guy at the team dinners.

Considering what Aug did for the team would you blame him? Cipo's the
big dog on that team, no matter how you stack it, his presence keeps
the sponsor's money flowing in and in turn keeps those riders
employed. Bittersweet pill, no doubt, but when you are the marquee
rider and go to a grand tour for one reason only, why not give him the
riders he wants?

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Considering what Aug did for the team would you blame him? Cipo's the
big dog on that team, no matter how you stack it, his presence keeps the
sponsor's money flowing in and in turn keeps those riders employed.
Bittersweet pill, no doubt, but when you are the marquee rider and go to
a grand tour for one reason only, why not give him the riders he wants?

Your points are well taken and I agree that the team management should
have taken his requests into consideration and given him what he wants,
but that said, yes, I do blame him for publicly denigrating his
teammates who no doubt were doing their best under the circumstances.

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Dan Connelly d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g said:

I'm not sure FF would agree:
Then as Fassa came back up to the front, the last guy to come around
me going into the corner was Petacchi. So coming out of the last corner
I found myself on Petacchi's wheel, but right away McEwen - the little
boxer that he is - fought for the wheel. Now in the past, I'd wasted way
too much energy fighting for Petacchi's wheel, so I just settled in on
McEwen's.

from:
http://www.velonews.com/diaries/rider/articles/6097.0.html

54x11? Uphill in a headwind? Oh man.