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  1. Serena?

    I had the impression that were all Belgian fans. One third of the crow was Belgian was Belgian for
    sure. They made the noise, some French joined.

    Soaked in by the succeses of our girls these people went to nearby fans. The are not acquainted with
    tennis etiquette. In our main stadium sport, soccer, it's perfectly normal and logical to root for
    your own side. And to boo the opponent at every ballcontact. That wasnt the case here fortunately,
    but they cheered for every miss for sure.

    It was simple folk fandom. Fueled maybe by boredom with the Williams supremacy.But the
    interpretations of anti-americanism or even racism were off the mark really.

  2. sorry for the typos...

    here it is again

    I had the impression that were all Belgian fans. One third of the crowd was Belgian for sure. They
    made the noise, some French joined.

    Soaked in by the succeses of our girls these people went to nearby Paris. They are not acquainted
    with tennis etiquette. In our main stadium sport, soccer, it's perfectly normal and logical to root
    for your own side. And to boo the opponent at every ballcontact. That wasnt the case here
    fortunately, but they cheered for every miss for sure.

    It was simple folk fandom. Fueled maybe by boredom with the Williams supremacy. But the
    interpretations of anti-americanism or even racism were off the mark really.

  3. "Bart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    sorry for the typos...

    here it is again

    I had the impression that were all Belgian fans. One third of the crowd


    was

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    Belgian for sure. They made the noise, some French joined.

    Soaked in by the succeses of our girls these people went to nearby Paris. They are not acquainted
    with tennis etiquette. In our main stadium sport,


    soccer,

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    it's perfectly normal and logical to root for your own side. And to boo


    the

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    opponent at every ballcontact. That wasnt the case here fortunately, but they cheered for every
    miss for sure.

    It was simple folk fandom. Fueled maybe by boredom with the Williams supremacy. But the
    interpretations of anti-americanism or even racism were off the mark really.

    You saying LANCE shouldn't race in Belgium?

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    After watching Serena Williams crying like a [censored] after losing and rough treatment from the
    French Open fans, I'm wondering if Lance will be in for more of the same or worse, something like
    that [censored] punching Eddy Merckx? Or do you think that sometime before the Tour will we see Lance
    and Halgand and Bush and Chirac all singing Cumbayah together and everything will be cool?

    When i saw the french coverage of the Dauphiné it was pretty easy to understand that the french
    commentators rather want that Lance don't win "Le Centenaire". Their comment wasn't by far
    objective spreading their belief that Lance mentally became unstable, that he lost confidence
    because Mayo dared to attack so many times. Offcourse this is crazy talk. Without any misfortune
    lance takes his nr5.

  5. "Bart" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Serena?

    I had the impression that were all Belgian fans. One third of the crow was Belgian was Belgian for
    sure. They made the noise, some French joined.

    Interesting. No reporting that I saw here in the US considered it could have been Belgians. TV news
    and sports commentators were all complaining how the French fans were carrying bad political
    relations over to the sporting arena. I'll bet it made some Americans so mad they went right out to
    buy French wine and pour it into the gutter in protest.

    NS

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    You saying LANCE shouldn't race in Belgium?

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    No. Since we don't have a challenger at all.

    But look at how Groenendaal gets treated by part of the cross fans. As the sole factor able to spoil
    the party.

  7. "Kenny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > When i saw the french coverage of the Dauphiné it
    was pretty easy to

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    understand that the french commentators rather want that Lance don't win "Le Centenaire". Their
    comment wasn't by far objective spreading their belief that Lance mentally became unstable, that
    he lost confidence because Mayo dared to attack so many times. Offcourse this is crazy talk.
    Without any misfortune lance takes his nr5.


    Funny what I heard on Fr2 Saturday & France 3 Sunday was their saying what a phenomenal descender
    Lance had become despite his crash. Chasing down Mayo on the descents etc. On the motorbike
    commentator Laurent Jalabert was saying he never experienced the kind of risks they took when he was
    riding as much as he did following. As I was watching a postage stamp size picture on the Canal+
    mosaic channel (no descrambler for full size) I really had to rely on the commentary and it seemed
    very objective and pro class all the time whether Armstrong or Mayo... All the best Dan Gregory

  8. "Dan Gregory" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Kenny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > When i saw the french coverage of the Dauphiné
    it was pretty easy to

    Quoted message said:

    understand that the french commentators rather want that Lance don't win "Le Centenaire". Their
    comment wasn't by far objective spreading their belief that Lance mentally became unstable, that
    he lost confidence because Mayo dared to attack so many times. Offcourse this is crazy talk.
    Without any misfortune lance takes his nr5.


    Funny what I heard on Fr2 Saturday & France 3 Sunday was their saying what


    a

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    phenomenal descender Lance had become despite his crash. Chasing down Mayo on the descents etc. On
    the motorbike commentator Laurent Jalabert was saying he never experienced the kind of risks they
    took when he was riding as much as he did following. As I was watching a postage stamp size
    picture on the Canal+ mosaic


    channel

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    (no descrambler for full size) I really had to rely on the commentary and


    it

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    seemed very objective and pro class all the time whether Armstrong or Mayo... All the best
    Dan Gregory

    I was watching the France2 and 3 coverage, too, and I sorta agree that they didn't seem particularly
    anti-Lance. I don't know whether Lance has become a better descender or Mayo is a lousy one. We need
    to see Savoldelli in there. I didn't hear Jalabert's comment, but maybe he meant that in the sense
    that on the bike he was in control but on the moto he was a passenger. It shows the producers have
    some confidence in him as a commentator, though, putting him on live. Earlier in the season he was
    doing mostly pre-recorded setups and occasional interviews.

  9. "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    I was watching the France2 and 3 coverage, too, and I sorta agree that they didn't seem
    particularly anti-Lance. I don't know whether Lance has become a better descender or Mayo is a
    lousy one. We need to see Savoldelli in there. I didn't hear Jalabert's comment, but maybe he
    meant that in the sense that on the bike he was in control but on the moto he was a passenger. It
    shows the producers have some confidence in him as a commentator, though, putting him on live.
    Earlier in the season he was doing mostly pre-recorded setups and occasional interviews.

    I seem to recall that pre-cancer Lance had quite a reputation as a descender. Someone help me with
    this, but wasn't he credited w/ learning it from Sean Yates during their days on Motorola?

  10. Nev Shea said:

    "Bart" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Serena?

    I had the impression that were all Belgian fans. One third of the crow was Belgian was Belgian
    for sure. They made the noise, some French joined.

    Interesting. No reporting that I saw here in the US considered it could have been Belgians.

    ???? The court tribunes looked like that Maurice Vlaminck picture ...

  11. "Scott Hendricks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    I was watching the France2 and 3 coverage, too, and I sorta agree that


    they

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    didn't seem particularly anti-Lance. I don't know whether Lance has


    become a

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    better descender or Mayo is a lousy one. We need to see Savoldelli in


    there.

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    I didn't hear Jalabert's comment, but maybe he meant that in the sense


    that

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    on the bike he was in control but on the moto he was a passenger. It


    shows

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    the producers have some confidence in him as a commentator, though,


    putting

    Quoted message said:
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    him on live. Earlier in the season he was doing mostly pre-recorded


    setups

    Quoted message said:
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    and occasional interviews.

    I seem to recall that pre-cancer Lance had quite a reputation as a descender. Someone help me with
    this, but wasn't he credited w/ learning it from Sean Yates during their days on Motorola?

    Yes, it was in one of the Scott Sunderland giro diaries.
    cyclingnews.comgiro03 (and probably elsewhere too)

    cheers, Jeff

  12. Scott Hendricks said:

    I seem to recall that pre-cancer Lance had quite a reputation as a descender. Someone help me with
    this, but wasn't he credited w/ learning it from Sean Yates during their days on Motorola?

    Yep, Sean coached Lance in many of the ways of the peloton in his younger days. Fortunately, Lance
    has forgotten how Sean used to climb cols (53x19). STF

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