Front forks - removing "lawyers' lips"

JBB said:

I have upgraded my front forks to ITM carbons; so far great, they cut

out a

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lot of road vibration. However they are a real pain when it comes to
removing and refitting the front wheel. I do this quite a lot as I

have an

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internal bike rack for my car. I therefore want to know the best way

to

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remove these abominations. By best I mean no unnecessary damage to

self or

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bike, no loss of function and ideally no cosmetic difference.

Hope you can help.
Julia

Hi there.

You can simply file them off, a lot of people do this so they can
effect quicker wheel changes when racing.

If you're not racing though, it does strike me as a lot of trouble to
go to just to save 5 seconds when you're putting the bike up on the the
roof of your car...

Cheers, Andy

www.stirling-tri.co.uk

JBB said:

I have upgraded my front forks to ITM carbons; so far great, they cut

out a

Quoted message said:

lot of road vibration. However they are a real pain when it comes to
removing and refitting the front wheel. I do this quite a lot as I

have an

Quoted message said:

internal bike rack for my car. I therefore want to know the best way

to

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remove these abominations. By best I mean no unnecessary damage to

self or

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bike, no loss of function and ideally no cosmetic difference.

Obviously it can't be done without loss of function as they will no
longer be there to perform their er... function. The best way to lose
them is probably to file them down by hand until they are flush with
the rest of the dropout. A dab of paint should cover up the evidence
and restore the cosmetic beauty of your dropouts. Apart from the
obvious safety issue be aware you may be voiding any manufacturer's
warranty.

--
Dave...

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JBB said:

I have upgraded my front forks to ITM carbons; so far great, they
cut out a lot of road vibration. However they are a real pain when
it comes to removing and refitting the front wheel. I do this quite
a lot as I have an internal bike rack for my car. I therefore want
to know the best way to remove these abominations. By best I mean no
unnecessary damage to self or bike, no loss of function and ideally
no cosmetic difference.

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You can simply file them off, a lot of people do this so they can
effect quicker wheel changes when racing.

If you're not racing though, it does strike me as a lot of trouble to
go to just to save 5 seconds when you're putting the bike up on the
the roof of your car...

It's more than 5 seconds if you forget how many twiddles of the QR are
required to get it just right, and fitting a wheel with LLs is never very
pleasant anyway. The filing job is very easy, especially with aluminium
drop outs. Not a lot of trouble at all.

I did my ITM Snyper with an ordinary file. No cosmetic damage is visable
when looking at the bike normally.

~PB

dkahn400 said:

be aware you may be voiding any manufacturer's
warranty.

That's true but you're unlikely to need it.

~PB

JBB said:

I have upgraded my front forks to ITM carbons; so far great, they cut out a
lot of road vibration. However they are a real pain when it comes to
removing and refitting the front wheel. I do this quite a lot as I have an
internal bike rack for my car. I therefore want to know the best way to
remove these abominations. By best I mean no unnecessary damage to self or
bike, no loss of function and ideally no cosmetic difference.

Hope you can help.
Julia

for me a 5" angle grinder with a worn (ie small diameter) cutoff wheel
(mis-used as a flat grinding disk) gives best control
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Marten Gerritsen

INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
www.m-gineering.nl

er at risk of showing my ignorance, what are lawyers lips?

pk

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er at risk of showing my ignorance, what are lawyers lips?

What they use to form a seal while sucking the blood from you.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_i-l.html#lawyer

cheers,
clive

Clive George said:

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er at risk of showing my ignorance, what are lawyers lips?

What they use to form a seal while sucking the blood from you.

I did think of suggesting that myself.

Another:

What yellow and looks good on an estate agent?
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Ta for the link btw

pk

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JBB said:

I have upgraded my front forks to ITM carbons; so far great, they
cut out a lot of road vibration. However they are a real pain when
it comes to removing and refitting the front wheel. I do this quite
a lot as I have an internal bike rack for my car. I therefore want
to know the best way to remove these abominations. By best I mean no
unnecessary damage to self or bike, no loss of function and ideally
no cosmetic difference.

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You can simply file them off, a lot of people do this so they can
effect quicker wheel changes when racing.

If you're not racing though, it does strike me as a lot of trouble to
go to just to save 5 seconds when you're putting the bike up on the
the roof of your car...

It's more than 5 seconds if you forget how many twiddles of the QR are
required to get it just right, and fitting a wheel with LLs is never very
pleasant anyway. The filing job is very easy, especially with aluminium
drop outs. Not a lot of trouble at all.

I did my ITM Snyper with an ordinary file. No cosmetic damage is visable
when looking at the bike normally.

~PB

I haven't washed the slurry off since Saturday's Mince Pie and Mulled wine
run yet (don't ask) so I'll check what the dropouts are made of tomorrow - I
think they're carbon..... What sort of file or could I do it with a Dremel?

Julia

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:40 -0000, "JBB" <[email hidden]>

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I haven't washed the slurry off since Saturday's Mince Pie and Mulled wine
run yet (don't ask) so I'll check what the dropouts are made of tomorrow - I
think they're carbon..... What sort of file or could I do it with a Dremel?

I could be wrong here, but, I think they are unlikely to be carbon
dropouts. Most dropouts on carbon forks are a metal insert, bonded to
the blades.

--

Call me "Bob"

"More oneness, less categories,
Open hearts, no strategies"

Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

JBB said:

I'll check what the dropouts are
made of tomorrow - I think they're carbon.....

I don't know if carbon dropouts are ever used. Most if not all carbon
forks have Al dropouts.

~PB

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JBB said:

I'll check what the dropouts are
made of tomorrow - I think they're carbon.....

I don't know if carbon dropouts are ever used. Most if not all carbon
forks have Al dropouts.

My forks have carbon dropouts[1]. With carbon lawyer lips as well. I've
been thinking of taking some sandpaper to them.

[1] Cue James Annan to pop up and say this is impossible.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; I'd rather live in sybar-space

JBB said:

I think they're carbon..... What sort of file or
could I do it with a Dremel?

If they're ITM Millenniums the dropouts are aluminium, painted black. If you
did the Denmead ride on Saturday, did you notice a very large chap on either
a Coppi or a full carbon jobbie? That's my mate Paul, that is.

Simon Brooke said:

My forks have carbon dropouts[1]. With carbon lawyer lips as well. I've
been thinking of taking some sandpaper to them.

[1] Cue James Annan to pop up and say this is impossible.

Seems much more credible than the claim someone made here recently that
they had a diamond frame.

--
Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

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JBB said:

I think they're carbon..... What sort of file or
could I do it with a Dremel?

If they're ITM Millenniums the dropouts are aluminium, painted black. If
you
did the Denmead ride on Saturday, did you notice a very large chap on
either
a Coppi or a full carbon jobbie? That's my mate Paul, that is.

I just did the 50k - my brother-in-laws first audax. Very relaxing, super
teashop at Fishbourne Roman palace and sunshine. Roads were a bit slippery
in places though.

JBB said:

I just did the 50k - my brother-in-laws first audax. Very relaxing,
super teashop at Fishbourne Roman palace and sunshine. Roads were a
bit slippery in places though.

Nice part of Sussex. It didn't go to Bosham, did it?

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Simon Brooke said:

My forks have carbon dropouts[1]. With carbon lawyer lips as well.
I've been thinking of taking some sandpaper to them.

[1] Cue James Annan to pop up and say this is impossible.

Seems much more credible than the claim someone made here recently
that they had a diamond frame.

Same stuff, give or take a bit of pressure...

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[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; when in the [censored], the wise man plants courgettes

Call me Bob said:

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:40 -0000, "JBB"

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I haven't washed the slurry off since Saturday's Mince Pie and

Mulled wine

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run yet (don't ask) so I'll check what the dropouts are made of

tomorrow - I

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think they're carbon..... What sort of file or could I do it with a

Dremel?

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I could be wrong here, but, I think they are unlikely to be carbon
dropouts. Most dropouts on carbon forks are a metal insert, bonded to
the blades.

Most are, yes, but some of the really top-end models have carbon
dropouts as well as blades and steerers (there was a good 'group test'
atricle on forks in C+ a few months ago - some of the ones they tested
had carbon ends).

David E. Belcher

JBB said:

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Nice part of Sussex. It didn't go to Bosham, did it?

No - [...] Bosham [...]

Erm.