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  1. OK Gents, Let me explain my history. Firstly, I'm totally blind, and from
    early on, found little non conflicting studies on body building. I see the
    same banter on this site. One book tells me to do multiple sets and many
    reps, with low weights, while another book boasts fewer sets, with heavier
    weights and specific numbers of reps. Still, another book encourages single
    sets with high weights, working to failure, and recycling. The information
    available to us is limited. Then I happened on this site, thinking, "I
    could learn from these dedicated guys", but I see contradictory statements.
    I read a book, a few years back, by a Mr. Something or Other, name of Coe,
    who gave me a routine, which crippled me, for many months, and from which I
    suffer damage, still. My diet? On my workout days, I eat my carbs an hour
    before lifting, and within a half hour of completion, have my proteins.
    Recently, I've begun core exercises, and like the results. This past
    Winter, I gained 15 lbs, but it wasn't muscle. I've been looking for a
    program, which will tell me how many carbs and proteins to consume, for the
    routine, I use. Is there anyone, on this site, who is serious about helping
    someone, who remains a novice?

    --
    I'm always, Frank

  2. "FRANK LOVERME" <I read a book, a few years back, by a Mr. Something or
    Other, name of Coe, who gave me a routine, which crippled me, for many
    months, and from which I suffer damage, still. Is there anyone, on this
    site, who is serious about helping

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    someone, who remains a novice?

    Who would want to help a whiny little [censored] who might get crippled and sue?
    You sound like the kind of weenie that has the home telephone number of his
    lawyer.

  3. "FRANK LOVERME" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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    This past Winter, I gained 15 lbs, but it wasn't muscle. I've been
    looking for a program, which will tell me how many carbs and proteins to
    consume, for the routine, I use. Is there anyone, on this site, who is
    serious about helping someone, who remains a novice?

    My suspicion is that you are low on testosterone, and that wee.. Just
    kidding guys ;-O

    Seriously, your question is extremely difficult to answer.
    But i know this for a fact;

    If you want to bigger, get stronger.
    Try to get as strong as you can on certain movements, mostly basic, compound
    mutltiple joint movements. Work the upper arms. Add some ab and calf work.

    Do 3 sets of 8, 4 sets of 6 or 5 sets of 5. See what you like best. Dont
    work to failure, but stop short of.

    Once in a while, skip the compounds, and do isolation movements for the
    entire body in the 12-15 rep range. For 2-3 weeks or so.

    Try to consume 4000 Kcal/say, with 150-200 grams of protein.

    Thats the best advice i can give you...

    ----
    Pete

  4. FRANK LOVERME said:

    OK Gents, Let me explain my history. Firstly, I'm totally blind,
    and from early on, found little non conflicting studies on body
    building.

    The health and fitness industry is worth multiple billions a year.
    Health, strength, fitness, and beauty are the sorts of attributes that
    people are willing to pay a lot of money to obtain. Unfortunately, in
    order to sell fitness you have to have something that's unique, and so
    you have all sorts of folks selling all sorts of different plans. To
    compound the problem each individual is unique and what works for one
    person may or may not work for the next person.

    On the plus side, that makes each individual an experiment of one.
    Part of what I like about strength training and fitness is that I can
    take various theories and try them out for myself and see what works.

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    I see the same banter on this site. One book tells me to do
    multiple sets and many reps, with low weights, while another book
    boasts fewer sets, with heavier weights and specific numbers of
    reps. Still, another book encourages single sets with high weights,
    working to failure, and recycling.

    Under certain circumstances nearly all of these techniques are
    useful. It really depends on where you are now, and where you would
    like to be in the future.

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    The information available to us is limited. Then I happened on this
    site, thinking, "I could learn from these dedicated guys", but I see
    contradictory statements.

    Well, the folks at mfw are a fractious lot. On a certain level most
    of us are here because we like to argue. However, if you stick around
    I think that you'll find that most of the people here are genuinely
    helpful.

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    I read a book, a few years back, by a Mr. Something or Other, name
    of Coe, who gave me a routine, which crippled me, for many months,
    and from which I suffer damage, still.

    Yeah, don't do that again...

    Could you give us some details about this particular workout, and how
    you were hurt? That's the sort of thing that we are going to need to
    know before we can advise you.

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    My diet? On my workout days, I eat my carbs an hour before lifting,
    and within a half hour of completion, have my proteins. Recently,
    I've begun core exercises, and like the results. This past Winter,
    I gained 15 lbs, but it wasn't muscle.

    If you've gained 15 lbs but it wasn't muscle why do you like the
    results? How do you track your body composition?

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    I've been looking for a program, which will tell me how many carbs
    and proteins to consume, for the routine, I use. Is there anyone,
    on this site, who is serious about helping someone, who remains a
    novice?

    What are you doing currently?

    Jason

  5. FRANK LOVERME said:

    OK Gents, Let me explain my history.

    Let's start with your present instead. Frank Loverme? And why's it
    gotta be in ALL FREAKIN CAPS, HUH!?

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    Firstly, I'm totally blind,

    Like Stevie Wonder blind? Is this a figure of speech or are you
    literally blind as in you can't see?

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    and from early on, found little non conflicting studies on body building.

    Bodybuilding reflects life in general. That is to say: There ain't
    much that's non conflicting, pal.

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    I see the same banter on this site.

    Banter, eh? Is that how you'd characterize the wonderful exchanges
    that take place here, FRANK?

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    One book tells me to do multiple sets and many reps, with low weights,
    while another book boasts fewer sets, with heavier weights and specific
    numbers of reps. Still, another book encourages single sets with high
    weights, working to failure, and recycling.

    Recycling? Whaa?

    Regardless, they're all correct. Mix it up. High, medium, low reps
    with heavy, medium, and low weights. Try one program for 6 to 8 weeks,
    take a week's rest and then try a different program for 6 to 8 weeks.
    Keep your body guessing.

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    The information available to us is limited.

    Did you mean limited or UNlimited? I'd go with the latter as a truism.

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    Then I happened on this site, thinking, "I could learn from these
    dedicated guys", but I see contradictory statements.

    By this site, do you mean MFW? Because, hey, it's not a site. It's a
    newsgroup! (Can't have JDW pissing in your Wheaties over that one.)

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    I read a book, a few years back, by a Mr. Something or Other, name of Coe,
    who gave me a routine, which crippled me, for many months, and from which I
    suffer damage, still.

    Boyer Coe? Now how did anything you read in a bodybuilding book
    cripple you? Did he tell you to squat to failure without safety
    stands? Is that the book where he recommended you drop a dumbbell on
    your toes? Wtf.

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    My diet? On my workout days, I eat my carbs an hour before lifting,
    and within a half hour of completion, have my proteins.

    That's not a diet. Hell, you didn't even MENTION HFCS90 or HFCS42!
    P'shaw.

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    Recently, I've begun core exercises, and like the results. This past
    Winter, I gained 15 lbs, but it wasn't muscle. I've been looking for a
    program, which will tell me how many carbs and proteins to consume, for the
    routine, I use. Is there anyone, on this site, who is serious about helping
    someone, who remains a novice?

    Did you say you were blind? Doesn't Waldenbooks have any diet books on
    tape? I'll recommend The Abs Diet which is available as an audio book.
    See (no pun intended):
    http://www.absdiet.com/uof/absdiet/Abs_Diet_Audible.html

    (Okay, maybe a small pun.)

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  6. "Jason Earl" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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    Well, the folks at mfw are a fractious lot. On a certain level most
    of us are here because we like to argue.

    No we dont.

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    However, if you stick around
    I think that you'll find that most of the people here are genuinely
    helpful.

    Thank you, thank you...

    ----
    Pete

  7. FRANK LOVERME said:

    OK Gents, Let me explain my history. Firstly, I'm totally blind,

    It seems to me that telling us you're blind should come LAST, if ever.
    I'm much more interested in what your goals are. You never stated them
    and it isn't obvious.

    Are you male or female? Old or young? What are you eating now that
    needs rebalancing?

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    Is there anyone, on this site, who is serious about helping
    someone, who remains a novice?

    Yes. Are you a novice weightlifter or a novice bodybuilder? There's a
    distinction.

    Dally

  8. Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

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    On a certain level most of us are here because we like to argue.

    [...]

    Oh, yeah? WHO SAYS? That's not true! I disagree, Jason. Furthermore...

    --
    Curt

  9. I scribbled:

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    FRANK LOVERME <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

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    and from early on, found little non conflicting studies on body building.

    Bodybuilding reflects life in general. That is to say: There ain't
    much that's non conflicting, pal.

    Hmm.

    Damn it.

    There ain't much that NOT non conflicting, pal.

    ....

    See? I proved my own point. Uh...

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  10. "Dally" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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    Are you male or female?

    Her name is Frank.

    ----
    Pete

  11. I scribbled some more:

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    I scribbled:

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    FRANK LOVERME <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

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    and from early on, found little non conflicting studies on body building.

    Bodybuilding reflects life in general. That is to say: There ain't
    much that's non conflicting, pal.

    Hmm.

    Damn it.

    There ain't much that NOT non conflicting, pal.

    Wait, there ain't much that's NOT non conflicting isn't right.

    ....

    There ain't much that's non conflicting, pal. So that's about the same
    as...

    There is NOT much that's NOT conflicting. Okay so far.

    There is much that's conflicting. Just removed the nots. Same
    statement basically.

    But then I tripped over somethingsomething double negative?

    There ain't much that's NOT non conflicting, pal.

    If I remove the ain't and the non, it'd be...

    There is much that's not conflicting. Well, there is much that's not
    conflicting, but that's not the same as... I mean "much" is kinda
    vague.

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    ...

    See? I proved my own point. Uh...

    Look! Over THERE!

    (kicks post under carpet)

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  12. Pete said:

    "Dally" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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    Are you male or female?

    Her name is Frank.

    And my name is Dally. Your point?

    Dally

  13. "Dally" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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    Are you male or female?

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    Her name is Frank.

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    And my name is Dally.

    Yes...

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    Your point?

    Her name is Frank, thats my point.... DALLY!

    ----
    Pete

  14. Pete said:

    "Dally" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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    >Are you male or female?

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    Her name is Frank.

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    And my name is Dally.

    Yes...

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    Your point?

    Her name is Frank, thats my point.... DALLY!

    Ah, but my REAL name is Wendell Johnson and I'm a gay married man in MA.
    We get to change identities online, dotcha know.

    Dally

  15. "Dally" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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    >>Are you male or female?

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    >Her name is Frank.

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    And my name is Dally.

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    Yes...

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    Your point?

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    Her name is Frank, thats my point.... DALLY!

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    Ah, but my REAL name is Wendell Johnson and I'm a gay married man in MA.
    We get to change identities online, dotcha know.

    Ah! I See!
    Dally is just a "screenname." I understand now...

    Have you informed Robert that "Dally" is not your real name?

    ----
    Pete

  16. "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    "Dally" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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    >>>Are you male or female?

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    >>Her name is Frank.

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    >And my name is Dally.

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    Yes...

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    >Your point?

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    Her name is Frank, thats my point.... DALLY!

    Quoted message said:

    Ah, but my REAL name is Wendell Johnson and I'm a gay married man in MA.
    We get to change identities online, dotcha know.

    Ah! I See!
    Dally is just a "screenname." I understand now...

    Have you informed Robert that "Dally" is not your real name?


    Wendell is very sensitive, Pete - you might upset her and then she will sulk
    for months. And when she sulks she tends not to post much . . . therefore .
    .. . *please* upset her

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