Fun-Extension with Optimum Exercise

You sure are full of misinformation about what "CRONers" think. Statement after statement in this
post is either misinformed or greatly exaggerated. Perhaps you are just trolling, eager to get an
argument by knocking down a straw man you have built yourself. Can't speak for "Life-Extension",
since I don't know who or what that is, but the CRON people I am familar with do not fit your
idea of them.

Personally, I don't have any problem with what you espouse in your "rules" for natural health,
including exercise. I follow most of them myself, excepting the yoga classes, and I am a runner /
walker / weight-lifter, all more or less in moderation, myself. While CRON in animals seems to work
best for the life extension benefit when they don't exercise much, most of us humans want the
obvious benefits that exercise brings. I think most CRONers exercise.

BTW, the evidence I have seen actually shows that "moderate exercise" has a substantial effect on
health, as distinct from what you say here.

mack austin

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Life-Extension seems to be a bunch of huey. And, that goes double for CRON. 🙂

Life-Extension says that anything that does not extend life past 120 years is a total waste of
time. The fact that not one of them has come remotely close to the age of 120, unfortunately
doesn't keep them from bragging.

The only research that Life-Extensioners accept is Life-Extension research. They totally ignore
the vast majority of published research in favor of their own kooky brand of research.

Life-Extension says that supplements are better than food because calories have to be restricted
by 30% rather than increased. Yet, the vast majority of published research says that food is
vastly superior to taking supplements.

Life-Extension says that the value of exercise is a myth because it generates Free Radicals and
requires increased expenditure of energy. CRONers think that the ideal life is a life totally
without physical effort, exertion, or exercise. Yet, the vast majority of published research says
that physical exercise is the universal cure all for all that ails you. Further, research has
proven conclusively that high-intensity exercise is effective in preventing deaths from heart
disease, the number one killer, while moderate exercise is totally ineffective.

As Jack LaLanne likes to say: People who eat a perfect diet, but don't exercise look absolutely
terrible. 🙁

And, as 'the Man' now says: People who eat a crappy diet, take a ton of supplements and don't
exercise really look like [censored]!

Just my opinion. But, I am *right* as usual!
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Once upon a time, our fellow Mack rambled on about "Re: Fun-Extension with Optimum Exercise." Our
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While CRON in animals seems to work best for the life extension benefit when they don't exercise
much, most of us humans want the obvious benefits that exercise brings. I think most CRONers
exercise.

It is always nice to know that CRONers and Scientist both are capable of committing oxymorons while
keeping a straight face. 🙁

"... you have my sympathies" Science Officer Ash to Ripley, in the movie ALIEN.

It's not an oxymoron at all, as you would know if you understood CRON. Life-extension is only one of
the benefits of CRON and for many CRONies, not even the main reason for pursuing this way of life.

A greater benefit, as I see it, is the prevention of most lifestyle diseases and a "squaring of the
curve" at the end of life, so that, whenever the end comes, health is more likely to degenerate
rapidly, leading to death quickly rather than slowly, leaving one an invalid for many years before
death finally brings relief. I would just as soon skip spending the last three years of my life
paralyzed in a nursing home as my mother did, if I can avoid it.

Not only that, I find that there are many minor day-to-day health benefits of CRON. I no longer get
headaches or canker sores, which used to plague
me. Colds are extremely rare. These kind of lifestyle benefits are of no small value. Think I
would trade them off for midnight snacks? I think not. Be be my guest, if that is your choice.

I think those of us who started CRON late in life are not likely to live to 120 years, anyway. But
that is of no consideration whatsoever to me, in my decision to eat this way. If I get to 119, then
it probably will be, though.

mack austin

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Once upon a time, our fellow Mack rambled on about "Re: Fun-Extension with Optimum Exercise." Our
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While CRON in animals seems to work best for the life extension benefit when they don't exercise
much, most

of

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us humans want the obvious benefits that exercise brings. I think most CRONers exercise.

It is always nice to know that CRONers and Scientist both are capable of committing oxymorons
while keeping a straight face. 🙁

"... you have my sympathies" Science Officer Ash to Ripley, in the movie ALIEN.

Once upon a time, our fellow Mack rambled on about "Re: Fun-Extension with Optimum Exercise." Our
champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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you would know if you understood CRON.

My spelling dictionary keeps on telling me that CRONers should be CROOners.

I think that it has a point. 🙂

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

Once upon a time, our fellow Mack rambled on about "Re: Fun-Extension with Optimum Exercise." Our
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A greater benefit, as I see it, is the prevention of most lifestyle diseases and a "squaring of the
curve" at the end of life, so that, whenever the end comes,

Just like the Sun manages to raise each morning because Indians like to dance around a campfire.

Why do YOU Crooners like to brag so much, before you have accomplished anything? 🙁

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

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Colds are extremely rare. These kind of lifestyle benefits are of no small value. Think I would
trade them off for midnight snacks? I think not. Be be my guest, if that is your choice.

Every health kook on the planet, who advocates their own brand of Quackery, makes the very same
non-scientific claim. 🙁

Where is your evidence? Where is your science?

Just my opinion. But, I am *right* as usual!

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Life-Extension seems to be a bunch of huey. And, that goes double for CRON. 🙂

The term "life-extension" is *NOT* even in the dictionary.

Doing a global internet search of online dictionaries onelook.comonelook.comOpen ↗
turns up totally nothing!

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

Once upon a time, our fellow Twits rambled on about "Fun-Extension with Optimum Exercise." Our
champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ... The term "life-extension" is *NOT*
even in the dictionary.

In my Glossary of Health Related terms I have defined Life-Extension as a modern form of Quackery.
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

See: tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.comglossary.htmlOpen ↗

I support my position by siting Quackwatch which has written extensively about Life-Extension scams.

I, of course, specifically source the sci.life-extension newsgroup as the hot bed of this form
of Quackery.

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

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Colds are extremely rare. These kind of lifestyle benefits are of no small value. Think I would
trade them off for midnight snacks? I

think not.

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Be be my guest, if that is your choice.

I don't mind at all not having those sort of lifestyle benefits. Give me a cheesecake and a cold any
day. Unfortunately, it looks like I may never be able to eat cheesecake again (at least a whole
one... although I don't think I ever actually made a whole one).

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Give me a cheesecake and a cold any day.

Are you serious? I mean, if it were that simple, do you think you would really trade the typical
several colds a year plus other minor come-and-go illnesses, along with a greater degree of
continual damage from lifestyle diseases, in order to have sweets and other rich foods? Of course,
most people do make a trade like that, but they are not really conscious of what they are doing or
they just avoid thinking about it. But you are suggesting you would do it consciously, knowingly,
which I think is interesting.

My experience has been that eating "bad" food is pretty much just a habit, like any other habit. It
seems to me that it can be broken either by going "cold turkey" or by gradual withdrawal, depending
on what works in each individual case. I used sugar, then artificial sweeteners, then weaned myself
off the sweeteners, on the theory that "sweetness" -- whether "real" or artificial -- was a powerful
food-attractant. That turned out to be true, for me, at least. It is easier to eat less now that I
have taken sugar and other sweeteners out of the mix.

Of course, that habit, like any other, is something some people can break and others probably
cannot. And there is bound to be a period of time where much discipline is required to stay "on the
wagon". For example, I quit smoking in 1975. For a few years, I would have smoked again in extreme
circumstances, but now, even if I were on Death Row, the last thing I would want would be a
cigarette.

Similarly, I have much less desire for sweets now than I did shortly after I put them and artificial
sweeteners aside. The pecan and pumpkin pies, ice cream and cookies on the Thanksgiving table
yesterday didn't tempt me. Of course, to stay off bad food, it helps to be at least a minor food
Nazi, just as it helps to be a smoking Nazi to stay off cigarettes.

mack austin

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Colds are extremely rare. These kind of lifestyle benefits are of no small value. Think I would
trade them off for midnight snacks? I

think not.

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Be be my guest, if that is your choice.

I don't mind at all not having those sort of lifestyle benefits. Give me a cheesecake and a cold
any day. Unfortunately, it looks like I may never be able to eat cheesecake again (at least a
whole one... although I don't think I ever actually made a whole one).

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Give me a cheesecake and a cold any day.

Are you serious? I mean, if it were that simple, do you think you would really trade the typical
several colds a year plus other minor come-and-go illnesses, along with a greater degree of
continual damage from lifestyle diseases, in order to have sweets and other rich foods? Of course,
most people do make a trade like that, but they are not really conscious of what they are doing or
they just avoid thinking about it. But you are suggesting you would do it consciously, knowingly,
which I think is interesting.

I'm pretty sure people would do just about anything for rich foods. I don't like colds but they
aren't too bad once in a while, just a change from usual. Maybe I don't get them badly as others.

I have come to think of bad food as a sort of drug that should not be sold the way it is. It's as
addictive and harmful for you as many illegal substances out there.

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Are you serious? I mean, if it were that simple, do you think you would really trade the typical
several colds a year plus other minor come-and-go illnesses, along with a greater degree of
continual damage from lifestyle diseases, in order to have sweets and other rich foods? Of course,
most people do make a trade like that, but they are not really conscious of what they are doing or
they just avoid thinking about it. But you are suggesting you would do it consciously, knowingly,
which I think is interesting.

Just to be clear, I don't think people would exchange it for permanent discomfort or damage. I'm
positive my colds don't cause that.