Giro-d'Italia stage 10 summary

Bob Martin said:

Changes in stage 10 compared to stage 9

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Biggest losers by time :
-14:40 Bobby Julich

I was going to make some comment about Ullrich taking
the ride so gently he'd lose time on the bus to the start
but Julich is certainly giving him a caning in the losing
times stakes. Is Julich actually still alive?

Bounty Bob said:

Bob Martin said:

Changes in stage 10 compared to stage 9

Quoted message said:

Biggest losers by time :
-14:40 Bobby Julich

I was going to make some comment about Ullrich taking
the ride so gently he'd lose time on the bus to the start
but Julich is certainly giving him a caning in the losing
times stakes. Is Julich actually still alive?

*Rolls eyes*

Maybe it is time for a FAQ on GT racing would be a good idea for these
uninformed posters.

1. Julich is a DOMESTIC in this Giro, just as Sastre. With CSC he gets
a free role in smaller tours (Paris-Nice, Romandie), but in the Giro he
works (hard!) for Ivan Basso. Considering Basso is going very well
indeed it stands to reason that Julich is doing fine.

Noone at CSC and certainly not Julich gives a rats ass at what time
distance Sastre or Julich come in, just as long as they work for Ican
Basso and are within the time-limit.

2. Ulrich and probably Rasmussen ride the Giro to get into shape. It
was clear from the start they will loose hours. They don't care for
their time either, they are just testing themselves. Considering the
TTT and that he wasn't dropped on evry mountain it seems Jan is indeed
improving rapidly. And no, it's never sure if it will be enough for the
tour and no I don't think he will win the TdF. But thats how Ulrich
prepares... nothing new there.

This is grown up, Pro cycling... people pick their targets (none better
as Lance) and try to be in shape at the right moment. They don't try to
win everything or force their reserves by trying to hang on no matter
what.

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Bounty Bob said:

Bob Martin said:

Changes in stage 10 compared to stage 9

Quoted message said:

Biggest losers by time :
-14:40 Bobby Julich

I was going to make some comment about Ullrich taking
the ride so gently he'd lose time on the bus to the start
but Julich is certainly giving him a caning in the losing
times stakes. Is Julich actually still alive?

*Rolls eyes*

Maybe it is time for a FAQ on GT racing would be a good idea for these
uninformed posters.

Perhaps it's my fault for including Julich and Sastre on the list of "favourites".
("favourites" is probably the wrong word - I just mean people to watch).
Should I limit it to team leaders?

Bob Martin

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Bounty Bob said:

Bob Martin said:

Changes in stage 10 compared to stage 9

Biggest losers by time :
-14:40 Bobby Julich

I was going to make some comment about Ullrich taking
the ride so gently he'd lose time on the bus to the start
but Julich is certainly giving him a caning in the losing
times stakes. Is Julich actually still alive?

Quoted message said:

*Rolls eyes*

Quoted message said:

Maybe it is time for a FAQ on GT racing would be a good idea for these
uninformed posters.

sorry. I was just a bit worried his teammates were pulling
a weekend at bernies on us!

Bounty Bob said:

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Bounty Bob said:

Bob Martin wrote:
> Changes in stage 10 compared to stage 9
>
> Biggest losers by time :
> -14:40 Bobby Julich

I was going to make some comment about Ullrich taking
the ride so gently he'd lose time on the bus to the start
but Julich is certainly giving him a caning in the losing
times stakes. Is Julich actually still alive?

Quoted message said:

*Rolls eyes*

Quoted message said:

Maybe it is time for a FAQ on GT racing would be a good idea for these
uninformed posters.

sorry. I was just a bit worried his teammates were pulling
a weekend at bernies on us!

Seems you are interested in tactics (I checked some of your older
posts). The real problem with current tactics is that cycling has
evolved since 1990 and that the old "tactics" are not applicable
anymore.

To clarify:

Before Indurain it was pretty normal for the top GC contenders to be
duking it out singelhandedly at the mountainous stages. Couples as
Rooks-Theunissen, Lemond-Hinault did help each other, but they also
always looked out for their own chances.

Nowadays there is ONE leader and everyone else in the team tries to
bring him as far as possible up the last hill. There is a set, high
pace to choke the competitors and only the real GC contenders remain.

As always, there were some exceptions the last years, for instance
Simoni-Cunego, but last year it was shown that such a tactic doesn't
really work anymore against a focussed competitor. (Simoni-Cunego,
Lemond-Hinault, Riis-Ullrich are the examples of succession within the
team)

Result is that the tactic of going in with multiple contenders who
attack one after another is non-existent (see Kloden, Ullrich,
Vinokourov). As the GC contenders just power up in one set tempo up the
final climb attacking is dificult. And if you do get a few metres
chances are that the competition just keeps on riding the same high
speed, trying to close the gap over time, not in one dash. It's a shame
really🙂

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Bounty Bob said:

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Bounty Bob wrote:
> Bob Martin wrote:
>> Changes in stage 10 compared to stage 9
>>
>> Biggest losers by time :
>> -14:40 Bobby Julich
> I was going to make some comment about Ullrich taking
> the ride so gently he'd lose time on the bus to the start
> but Julich is certainly giving him a caning in the losing
> times stakes. Is Julich actually still alive?
*Rolls eyes*
Maybe it is time for a FAQ on GT racing would be a good idea for these
uninformed posters.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sorry. I was just a bit worried his teammates were pulling
a weekend at bernies on us!

Quoted message said:

Seems you are interested in tactics (I checked some of your older
posts). The real problem with current tactics is that cycling has
evolved since 1990 and that the old "tactics" are not applicable
anymore.

Quoted message said:

To clarify:

Before Indurain it was pretty normal for the top GC contenders to be
duking it out singelhandedly at the mountainous stages. Couples as
Rooks-Theunissen, Lemond-Hinault did help each other, but they also
always looked out for their own chances.

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Nowadays there is ONE leader and everyone else in the team tries to
bring him as far as possible up the last hill. There is a set, high
pace to choke the competitors and only the real GC contenders remain.

Actually the Julich thing only really come out because Ullrich
had disappeared from the stage summaries. So Julich is doomed
to serving? No targeting stage wins?

Its really Ullrich I don't understand, everything in other sport
seems to suggest that you need to actually properly compete at
higher level to get right for the big event. I can't see how his
current tactics of riding with the biggest slow bunch can be all
that helpful and from what I read he's ditching the tour de suisse
for a shorter tour and can't see him getting a good work out in that.
Still I guess the TT tomorrow will tell whether hes going to do any
real work or merely continue to be a commuter (And he could work
hard on some of the mountain stages I guess).

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Actually the Julich thing only really come out because Ullrich
had disappeared from the stage summaries. So Julich is doomed
to serving? No targeting stage wins?

As long as Basso needs his help I think he won't target a stage win.

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Its really Ullrich I don't understand, everything in other sport
seems to suggest that you need to actually properly compete at
higher level to get right for the big event. I can't see how his
current tactics of riding with the biggest slow bunch can be all
that helpful and from what I read he's ditching the tour de suisse
for a shorter tour and can't see him getting a good work out in that.

Cycling is quite a tough profession. Going with the "slow" bunch still
taxes the body, so in general this can be seen as a workout. Coasting
in the build-up to a big round is actually quite normal, in a way Lance
did this too (he just didn't race much in preperation).

Same goes for being too heavy (allbeit that Jan is to extreme at this).
Top cyclists have such a low fat-percentage that their body becomes
vulnerable for disease (some say that top-form is actually a form of
being out of ballance). Also, riders tend to loose weigth during a TdF.
If you start out at mimum you can go too low (Theunissen is a good
example). Being a bit heavy in the build up isn't such a big deal, just
as long as you are trimmed when the first mountain stages begin. Again,
Jan is taking this to an extreme and so it's not a good strategy for
him. But in itself it's normal for GC riders to be heavy in the
build-up.

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Still I guess the TT tomorrow will tell whether hes going to do any
real work or merely continue to be a commuter (And he could work
hard on some of the mountain stages I guess).

The one who knows will be his trainer🙂 If in his build up it's better
to coast he will coast, if his trainer decides he needs to hurt his
body we can expect fireworks. Even if he goes "commuting"don't equate
it by bad preperation, training/building up is seldom done @ 100%

To finish, a low intensity is the best way to burn fat, higher
intensity training tends just to chew up carbs and let the fatties stay
where they are... his gut. So don't be surprised if you get reports of
Jan training at 15 miles an hour... it's modern training methods ^^