glyders or glyderau?

The Reids said:

I am captioning a photo, its the "carnnedau from the glyderau" is
that the rig way to do it in Welsh?

Where is the Departed One when we need him?

Still he exists in past postings :-)
<http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.walking/browse_frm/thread/66e8c4bf4077356f/33258e90e5905ea0>

The perceived wisdom is that Glyder is an Anglicised name so it should
be The Glyders. However carnedd is definitely Welsh so Y Carneddau is
the correct plural there. Why not side step the problem and say
exactly which bit of The Glyders it was taken from?
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:54:30 +0100
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The Reids <[email hidden]> wrote :

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I am captioning a photo, its the "carnnedau from the glyderau" is
that the rig way to do it in Welsh?

The old ones are the best ones <g>

Didn't the departed one maintain that Glyder was already partly
Anglicised and therefore the plural should be Glyders?

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The OFFICIAL language of the United Kingdom is English, therefore it should
be Carneds and Glidders

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On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:54:30 +0100
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The Reids <[email hidden]> wrote :

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I am captioning a photo, its the "carnnedau from the glyderau" is
that the rig way to do it in Welsh?

The old ones are the best ones <g>

Didn't the departed one maintain that Glyder was already partly
Anglicised and therefore the plural should be Glyders?

--
The man was evacuated uphill to the dam and airlifted to hospital. Let
me just say that uphill is bad. Very bad. It hurts.
[Langdale & Ambleside MRT callout report]

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Michael Hobby <[email hidden]> wrote :

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The OFFICIAL language of the United Kingdom is English, therefore it should
be Carneds and Glidders

Cadwch Cymru yn lan. Danfonwch y sbwriel i Loegr!

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Few can withstand it. Am I right or am I right?
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Michael Hobby said:

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On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:54:30 +0100
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The Reids <[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

I am captioning a photo, its the "carnnedau from the glyderau" is
that the rig way to do it in Welsh?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The old ones are the best ones <g>

Didn't the departed one maintain that Glyder was already partly
Anglicised and therefore the plural should be Glyders?

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The OFFICIAL language of the United Kingdom is English, therefore it should
be Carneds and Glidders

The official languages of Wales are Welsh and English. Miss off the
Welsh and you are for it!

It's a dd in Carnedd (carneth) and a single d in Glyder.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

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Michael Hobby said:

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The Reids <[email hidden]> wrote :

> I am captioning a photo, its the "carnnedau from the glyderau" is
> that the rig way to do it in Welsh?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The old ones are the best ones <g>

Didn't the departed one maintain that Glyder was already partly
Anglicised and therefore the plural should be Glyders?

Quoted message said:

The OFFICIAL language of the United Kingdom is English, therefore it
should
be Carneds and Glidders

The official languages of Wales are Welsh and English. Miss off the
Welsh and you are for it!

It's a dd in Carnedd (carneth) and a single d in Glyder.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

IMHO, the correct way would be "Carneddau from Glyderau", but there is a
tendancy to use Glyders quite often in English and this doesn't personally
annoy me.

However, Carnedds is *definately* not acceptable despite the fact Harvey use
this anglicisation on the back of their "Snowdon" map, they redeem
themselves by using the names "The Glyderau and the Carneddau" on their
website for this map which shows more respect towards the Welsh language.

Most other areas in Eryri do tend to be referred to by their anglicised
names, Moelwynion = Moelwyns, Rhinogydd = Rhinogs, etc. , but "Carnedds" i
always find annoying and while it's up to the individual what they call
them, it's also up to the individual if they wish to show respect to the
local language or disregard it.

Still, it's not as annoying as "Betsy Co-Ed" ;-)

T Dave R
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Walking Wild
www.walkeryri.org.uk

On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:52:41 +0100, Bootlaces <[email hidden]>

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Perhaps it's time to give them the good old demon.local treatment.
Few can withstand it. Am I right or am I right?
[Rooney, 14/12/2004 - x-posted to uec, urb, uba & dl]

Nice sig!
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That was tungue in cheek!
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Michael Hobby <[email hidden]> wrote :

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The OFFICIAL language of the United Kingdom is English, therefore it
should
be Carneds and Glidders

Cadwch Cymru yn lan. Danfonwch y sbwriel i Loegr!

--
Perhaps it's time to give them the good old demon.local treatment.
Few can withstand it. Am I right or am I right?
[Rooney, 14/12/2004 - x-posted to uec, urb, uba & dl]

That was tungue in cheek!
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:40:21 +0100
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Michael Hobby <[email hidden]> wrote :

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The OFFICIAL language of the United Kingdom is English, therefore it
should
be Carneds and Glidders

Cadwch Cymru yn lan. Danfonwch y sbwriel i Loegr!

--
Perhaps it's time to give them the good old demon.local treatment.
Few can withstand it. Am I right or am I right?
[Rooney, 14/12/2004 - x-posted to uec, urb, uba & dl]

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Michael Hobby <[email hidden]> wrote :

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That was tungue in cheek!

S'OK <g>

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Dafydd Ap Arwyn said:

Most other areas in Eryri do tend to be referred to by their anglicised
names, Moelwynion = Moelwyns, Rhinogydd = Rhinogs, etc. , but "Carnedds" i
always find annoying and while it's up to the individual what they call
them, it's also up to the individual if they wish to show respect to the
local language or disregard it.

Still, it's not as annoying as "Betsy Co-Ed" ;-)

Come 'ead, mate, dat's worrit's called round 'ere.

Lan-gollen and betsy coed.

They're both near that Mount Snowdonia, too.

Judith

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>Still, it's not as annoying as "Betsy Co-Ed" ;-)

Come 'ead, mate, dat's worrit's called round 'ere.

Lan-gollen and betsy coed.

They're both near that Mount Snowdonia, too.

And Triffun.

Can anyone tell me where Bedelgert is? I think I went to a place once
called Llanymynionfraiddyglfychwstrwddfawr.

As somebody said Welsh is a language consisting mainly of speech
impediments, throat clearing and spluttering!

Just dont start me on Aber-SOCK.....

;-)

T Dave R

p.s. New TGO has a very well produced article on Eryri this month. They use
the plurals Glyderau and Carneddau and even call yr Eifl, "Yr Eifl" as
opposed to the *really* annoying "Rivals".... Trial have a similar article
too, and for once they only have typos in the welsh name places, not proper
errors - seems they're finally doing their homework.

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Didn't the departed one maintain that Glyder was already partly
Anglicised and therefore the plural should be Glyders?

In fact, doesn't it depend on what language you're writing in? I mean,
I say Alps not Alpen.

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Didn't the departed one maintain that Glyder was already partly
Anglicised and therefore the plural should be Glyders?

In fact, doesn't it depend on what language you're writing in? I mean,
I say Alps not Alpen.

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Adrian

What's muesli got to do with it?

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"Dafydd Ap Arwyn" <[email hidden]> wrote

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p.s. New TGO has a very well produced article on Eryri this month.

Where's that then....South of France?

Forgot the (Snowdonia) bit!

T Dave R

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Following up to Phil Cook

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Why not side step the problem and say
exactly which bit of The Glyders it was taken from?

I cant remember for sure! I think near Castle of the Winds
looking to the Carneddau/Carneds?
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/glyders.htm"
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Mike Reid
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Michael Hobby said:

The OFFICIAL language of the United Kingdom is English, therefore it should
be Carneds and Glidders

The OFFICIAL language may be English, however, I still can't understand
a gr8 number ov msgs I receive. Nor do I grasp the meaning in
conversations between junior members of staff, init?

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

The Reids said:

Following up to Phil Cook

Quoted message said:

Why not side step the problem and say
exactly which bit of The Glyders it was taken from?

I cant remember for sure!

That's why you need a digital camera and a GPS log.

EXIF data tells you when it was taken the GPS log tells you where you
were at the time. *IF* you've got your GPS and camera on the right
time zone. I leave both mine on GMT all year and no matter where I am
in the world. It gets too confusing to remember to change both every
time you change time zone.

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I think near Castle of the Winds
looking to the Carneddau/Carneds?

How about "Looking North over the Ogwen Valley"?

Carneddau (without the definitive article) is marked on the OS 1:50k
on the dip slope of Ysgolion Duon.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

The Reids said:

Following up to Phil Cook

Quoted message said:

Why not side step the problem and say
exactly which bit of The Glyders it was taken from?

I cant remember for sure! I think near Castle of the Winds
looking to the Carneddau/Carneds?
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/glyders.htm"

Please - never the Carneds - ther is no d in the spoken name - the
English version should be "Carneths" ( Like MOKBA becoming Moscow in
English)

Richard Webb