General fitness, health and nutrition · Public discussion

God must be holding His nose

Started by Yankee Doodle D · · Last activity · 35 posts · 2,103 views

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
General fitness, health and nutrition
Published
2 March 2004
Last activity
7 March 2004
Original author
Yankee Doodle D
Posts
35
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
2,103
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–20 of 35
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. Many people wonder what lies behind the Arab's irrational and bizarre rage against Israel. Compared
    to the millions of Muslims slaughtered by OTHER Muslims in Sudan, Syria, Iraq and other countries,
    Palestinian deaths in Israel are relatively few. Yet the millions massacred and millions more
    repressed by MOSLEMS does not evoke Arab outrage as do the events in Israel. Why the double
    standard? This double standard in the Middle East is due to the fact that Arab countries are shame-
    based societies, and Israeli repression of Arabs is seen not just as brutal, but also as
    humiliating.

    Arabs say that, "Israel is a colonial outpost" and that as a result while Israeli Arabs may have
    ballots and free speech, they have no dignity. The Israeli presence and simple existence represents
    a total humiliation of all the Arab regimes. It's a continuous reminder of the disgusting weakness
    of the Arabs as people, of their society and political system, as well as an indication of the
    impotence and corruption of their regimes." If the Jew were to shower the Arab with kindness and
    charity and make them wealthy and safe, the Arab would STILL try to murder the Jew. The Arab
    doesn't hate the Jew for anything the Jew has done. The Arab hates the Jew because he exists. When
    the Jew stands side by side with an Arab the Arab is humiliated because he not only looks like a
    failure, he is one.

    Arab humiliation seems to have become a mainstay since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The Arab
    world can simply not get over their lost pride as a people who once ruled and represented the
    epitome of civilization, and now are relegated to crummy Third World status. Israel and America
    represent for the Arab world the source of this humiliation - if the Israeli and the American model
    of the real world simply exist..then Islam will NEVER have Paradise. The SUCCESS of Israel and
    America mean that the Koran is irrelevant. The truth of the Koran is just brand X in a dirty brown
    box if an American and his Israeli friends own the supermarket. Yes? Hell, we BUILT the supermarket.
    All the Arab has built is a pile of camel [censored]. And he tracks that in and out of the Mosque every
    time he prays for God to give him some nuts to go with his limp [censored].

    Many other speculations are offered to explain Arab rage and frenzy against Israel and the West.

    But essentially the Arab world subconsciously realizes that Israel and America are standing there
    ignoring the Koran, because the Koran has nothing to offer people who already have it ALL. The Koran
    appeals to beggars and people in jail. It appeals to people who are losers, not people who own their
    own swimming pools and drive a Mercedes.

    Understanding the underlying causes for Arab sentiments is not academic; it is the only way to get
    to the bottom of the issues. Understanding their mentality is the true key to help provide us with a
    meaningful strategy. We can never devise a workable plan as long as we focus on the superficial
    causes, and do not understand the driving force of our adversary. Does the Arab world just want
    justice for the Palestinians? Not really. Equal rights (rights they do not have under any Arab
    ruler)? Some land to live peacefully? Or perhaps they want something more that they simply are not
    telling us?

    I submit that the true reason and core root of Arab anger is religious and not political. The Arab
    religious dream is worthless and his world view is POINTLESS as long as Israel and America can laugh
    in his face.

    The Arab world's opposition to Israel is not due to any Israeli actions, but rather to the very
    existence of the Land of Israel and Jewish control over the land. This control is a perpetual thorn
    in their side, and the root cause for their "shame" and humiliation.

    Why? Because Muslims fundamentally believe that Israel's existence - and Jewish control over Israel
    - in what they consider to be their 'conquered land,' is a desecration of their religious vision. It
    says God likes Jews. He makes Jews a SUCCESS. And you Arabs are not even noticed by God because you
    couldn't pour [censored] out of a boot with directions on the heel. If by some miracle the Arab got Israel
    back they would start whining for Spain and Sicily also and Hungary and all the other lands they
    once ruled before they were slapped silly and given the boot. Islam would move right into your house
    and eat everything in your icebox like they do in France.

    This is the reason why Muslims have always built mosques on the sacred land of Jews and Christians
    (e.g. the Temple Mount, Bethlehem) to demonstrate their absolute belief that Muslim control over
    these lands fulfils and realizes the Divine will. They feel so Inferior they have to take something
    away from others to have something themselves. Arabs don't create, they steal.

    This religious belief is the true cause for the rage of the Arab/Muslim world against Israel. It is
    not about human rights, Palestinian sovereignty, Arab dignity, oil, money, harems, or any other
    issue. No amount of land return, no concessions will satisfy them - other than the elimination of
    Jewish control in Israel.

    As uncomfortable as it may be, we will never be able to resolve the issues until we realize that
    this is a religious war not a political one.

    Many of us would like to conveniently believe that the issues are political ones, because that would
    make the situation a lot more manageable and the problem a lot simpler. We know how to deal with
    political challenges. But if this is a religious war, and the Arab/Muslim will never make peace. He
    will never share. There IS no peace in Islam. Islam was founded by a man who murdered people who
    laughed at him, it isn't hard to figure out what Islam really is.

    Our existing modalities are secular ones. Our political systems and governmental institutions have
    been built with secular goals in mind, without much consideration to spiritual and religious values,
    which we have relegated to the private sector. We therefore do not see the world in context of
    religious and spiritual vision. That's why we cannot fathom or understand the rage of the Arab world
    today. That is why they appear to be so Looney.

    And that is what Islam is, it is a [censored] Ga-ga boogah boogah with a gun.

    And this is why a Palestinian state is not possible, and for that matter not do-able. A state will
    never satisfy the Arab world. They will simply see it as a step in the direction of their re-
    conquest of Israel. They do not want a state for political reasons, but for religious ones. That is
    the key to the underlying issues. As much as we wish to make the Arafats of the world our "partners
    in peace," we must realize that our secular notions of peace are not part of their agenda at all.
    Arafat and all Arabs can't help themselves. They are trapped inside their own humiliated beliefs,
    swallowed up in their total incapacity to adapt to the modern reality of the world that left their
    limited religion behind centuries ago.

    But what lies beneath and behind - what fuels - this Arab rage and passion? To understand this we
    need to enter into the secret world of religious passion. And the SHAME of being Arab. As long as
    Israel is there as such an OBVIOUS success, then the Arabs have to face the fact that they smell and
    that God must be holding His nose.

  2. "Yankee Doodle Dandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Many people wonder what lies behind the Arab's irrational and bizarre rage against Israel.


    <snip stupidness>

    ... and of course, while wondering, they were driving a BMW on the way to the dealership to trade it
    in for a Mercedes.

    This "wondering" caused the driver to not pay attention, resulting in him hitting a runner. Oh no!!

    The BMW driver (soon the be Mercedes driver), finds the runner to be okay (thank goodness), and
    offers his cell phone to call for a drive. The runner accepts, calling his wife to come pick him up
    in their Volvo.

    cheers,
    --
    David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting
    other people down constantly."

  3. "Yankee Doodle Dandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Many people wonder what lies behind the Arab's irrational and bizarre rage against Israel.

    I'll bet that practically nobody in alt.bmw wonders about this.

  4. "SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Yankee Doodle Dandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Many people wonder what lies behind the Arab's irrational and bizarre


    rage

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    against Israel.


    <snip stupidness>

    ... and of course, while wondering, they were driving a BMW on the way to the dealership to trade
    it in for a Mercedes.

    This "wondering" caused the driver to not pay attention, resulting in him hitting a
    runner. Oh no!!

    The BMW driver (soon the be Mercedes driver), finds the runner to be okay (thank goodness), and
    offers his cell phone to call for a drive. The runner accepts, calling his wife to come pick him
    up in their Volvo.

    cheers,

    Thanks for dragging this thread, kicking and screaming, back on topic.

  5. SwStudio said:

    "Yankee Doodle Dandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Many people wonder what lies behind the Arab's irrational and bizarre rage against Israel.


    <snip stupidness>

    ... and of course, while wondering, they were driving a BMW on the way to the dealership to trade
    it in for a Mercedes.

    This "wondering" caused the driver to not pay attention, resulting in him hitting a runner. Oh no!!

    The BMW driver (soon the be Mercedes driver), finds the runner to be okay (thank goodness), and
    offers his cell phone to call for a drive. The runner accepts, calling his wife to come pick him up
    in their Volvo.

    cheers,

    This is the only possible reply to the original post. Thanks, David.

    Karen

  6. "joe positive" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    SwStudio said:

    "Yankee Doodle Dandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Many people wonder what lies behind the Arab's irrational and bizarre


    rage

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    against Israel.


    <snip stupidness>

    ... and of course, while wondering, they were driving a BMW on the way to the dealership to trade
    it in for a Mercedes.

    This "wondering" caused the driver to not pay attention, resulting in him hitting a runner.
    Oh no!!

    The BMW driver (soon the be Mercedes driver), finds the runner to be okay (thank goodness), and
    offers his cell phone to call for a drive. The runner accepts, calling his wife to come pick him
    up in their Volvo.

    cheers,

    This is the only possible reply to the original post. Thanks, David.

    Karen

    haha, It would have been even better had the "alt.cellular.ericsson" or whatever it is was
    included... it often is. Then I would have mentioned the driver's phone was that type, of course. 😉

    It's a strange mix and match of about 5 or 6 groups that always get lumped together in these mass-
    spam posts (or actual propaganda, apparently, lol).

    Speaking of, these occasional racist/propaganda posts are crazy. I guess the purpose is to randomly
    spew them out to thousands of groups, if only to reach a few more loonies to add to their ranks.
    What a crazy world we live in.

    cheers,
    --
    David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting
    other people down constantly."

  7. So......... who has the Mercedes? There will be no peace until we figure out what this has to do
    with cars or..... running?

    "Yankee Doodle Dandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Many people wonder what lies behind the Arab's irrational and bizarre rage against Israel.
    Compared to the millions of Muslims slaughtered by OTHER Muslims in Sudan, Syria, Iraq and other
    countries, Palestinian deaths in Israel are relatively few. Yet the millions massacred and
    millions more repressed by MOSLEMS does not evoke Arab outrage as do the events in


    Israel.

    Quoted message said:

    Why the double standard? This double standard in the Middle East is due to the fact that Arab
    countries are shame-based societies, and Israeli repression of Arabs is seen not just as brutal,
    but also as humiliating.

    Arabs say that, "Israel is a colonial outpost" and that as a result while Israeli Arabs may have
    ballots and free speech, they have no dignity. The Israeli presence and simple existence
    represents a total humiliation of


    all

    Quoted message said:

    the Arab regimes. It's a continuous reminder of the disgusting weakness of the Arabs as people, of
    their society and political system, as well as an indication of the impotence and corruption of
    their regimes." If the Jew were to shower the Arab with kindness and charity and make them wealthy


    and

    Quoted message said:

    safe, the Arab would STILL try to murder the Jew. The Arab doesn't hate


    the

    Quoted message said:

    Jew for anything the Jew has done. The Arab hates the Jew because he


    exists.

    Quoted message said:

    When the Jew stands side by side with an Arab the Arab is humiliated


    because

    Quoted message said:

    he not only looks like a failure, he is one.

    Arab humiliation seems to have become a mainstay since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The Arab
    world can simply not get over their lost pride as


    a

    Quoted message said:

    people who once ruled and represented the epitome of civilization, and now are relegated to crummy
    Third World status. Israel and America represent


    for

    Quoted message said:

    the Arab world the source of this humiliation - if the Israeli and the American model of the real
    world simply exist..then Islam will NEVER have Paradise. The SUCCESS of Israel and America mean
    that the Koran is irrelevant. The truth of the Koran is just brand X in a dirty brown box if an
    American and his Israeli friends own the supermarket. Yes? Hell, we


    BUILT

    Quoted message said:

    the supermarket. All the Arab has built is a pile of camel [censored]. And he tracks that in and out of
    the Mosque every time he prays for God to give


    him

    Quoted message said:

    some nuts to go with his limp [censored].

    Many other speculations are offered to explain Arab rage and frenzy


    against

    Quoted message said:

    Israel and the West.

    But essentially the Arab world subconsciously realizes that Israel and America are standing there
    ignoring the Koran, because the Koran has


    nothing

    Quoted message said:

    to offer people who already have it ALL. The Koran appeals to beggars and people in jail. It
    appeals to people who are losers, not people who own their own swimming pools and drive a
    Mercedes.

    Understanding the underlying causes for Arab sentiments is not academic;


    it

    Quoted message said:

    is the only way to get to the bottom of the issues. Understanding their mentality is the true key
    to help provide us with a meaningful strategy.


    We

    Quoted message said:

    can never devise a workable plan as long as we focus on the superficial causes, and do not
    understand the driving force of our adversary. Does the Arab world just want justice for the
    Palestinians? Not really. Equal


    rights

    Quoted message said:

    (rights they do not have under any Arab ruler)? Some land to live peacefully? Or perhaps they want
    something more that they simply are not telling us?

    I submit that the true reason and core root of Arab anger is religious and not political. The Arab
    religious dream is worthless and his world view is POINTLESS as long as Israel and America can
    laugh in his face.

    The Arab world's opposition to Israel is not due to any Israeli actions,


    but

    Quoted message said:

    rather to the very existence of the Land of Israel and Jewish control over the land. This control
    is a perpetual thorn in their side, and the root cause for their "shame" and humiliation.

    Why? Because Muslims fundamentally believe that Israel's existence - and Jewish control over
    Israel - in what they consider to be their 'conquered land,' is a desecration of their religious
    vision. It says God likes Jews. He makes Jews a SUCCESS. And you Arabs are not even noticed by God
    because you couldn't pour [censored] out of a boot with directions on the heel. If by


    some

    Quoted message said:

    miracle the Arab got Israel back they would start whining for Spain and Sicily also and Hungary
    and all the other lands they once ruled before


    they

    Quoted message said:

    were slapped silly and given the boot. Islam would move right into your house and eat everything
    in your icebox like they do in France.

    This is the reason why Muslims have always built mosques on the sacred


    land

    Quoted message said:

    of Jews and Christians (e.g. the Temple Mount, Bethlehem) to demonstrate their absolute belief
    that Muslim control over these lands fulfils and realizes the Divine will. They feel so Inferior
    they have to take


    something

    Quoted message said:

    away from others to have something themselves. Arabs don't create, they steal.

    This religious belief is the true cause for the rage of the Arab/Muslim world against Israel. It
    is not about human rights, Palestinian


    sovereignty,

    Quoted message said:

    Arab dignity, oil, money, harems, or any other issue. No amount of land return, no concessions
    will satisfy them - other than the elimination of Jewish control in Israel.

    As uncomfortable as it may be, we will never be able to resolve the issues until we realize that
    this is a religious war not a political one.

    Many of us would like to conveniently believe that the issues are


    political

    Quoted message said:

    ones, because that would make the situation a lot more manageable and the problem a lot simpler.
    We know how to deal with political challenges. But


    if

    Quoted message said:

    this is a religious war, and the Arab/Muslim will never make peace. He


    will

    Quoted message said:

    never share. There IS no peace in Islam. Islam was founded by a man who murdered people who
    laughed at him, it isn't hard to figure out what Islam really is.

    Our existing modalities are secular ones. Our political systems and governmental institutions have
    been built with secular goals in mind, without much consideration to spiritual and religious
    values, which we


    have

    Quoted message said:

    relegated to the private sector. We therefore do not see the world in context of religious and
    spiritual vision. That's why we cannot fathom or understand the rage of the Arab world today. That
    is why they appear to be so Looney.

    And that is what Islam is, it is a [censored] Ga-ga boogah boogah with a gun.

    And this is why a Palestinian state is not possible, and for that matter


    not

    Quoted message said:

    do-able. A state will never satisfy the Arab world. They will simply see


    it

    Quoted message said:

    as a step in the direction of their re-conquest of Israel. They do not


    want

    Quoted message said:

    a state for political reasons, but for religious ones. That is the key to the underlying issues.
    As much as we wish to make the Arafats of the world our "partners in peace," we must realize that
    our secular notions of peace are not part of their agenda at all. Arafat and all Arabs can't help
    themselves. They are trapped inside their own humiliated beliefs,


    swallowed

    Quoted message said:

    up in their total incapacity to adapt to the modern reality of the world that left their limited
    religion behind centuries ago.

    But what lies beneath and behind - what fuels - this Arab rage and


    passion?

    Quoted message said:

    To understand this we need to enter into the secret world of religious passion. And the SHAME of
    being Arab. As long as Israel is there as such


    an

    Quoted message said:

    OBVIOUS success, then the Arabs have to face the fact that they smell and that God must be holding
    His nose.

  8. "Gene" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    So......... who has the Mercedes? There will be no peace until we figure out what this has to do
    with cars or..... running?

    Since this is a cross post, between alt.bmw, mercedes and volvo I just want to say that Volvos are
    the best cars and that they rule big time!

    There. Now this thread wont die for a while... :-)

    /Patrik

  9. "Patrik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Gene" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So......... who has the Mercedes? There will be no peace until we figure


    out

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    what this has to do with cars or..... running?

    Since this is a cross post, between alt.bmw, mercedes and volvo I just want to say that Volvos are
    the best cars and that they rule big time!

    I don't think so - I know better. :O|

    Stan de SD

    1985 300SD - "Martha" (2003-present) 1968 142S (manual/gray) - "Olaf the Terrible" (1982-1983)
    1968 142S (auto/white) - "The Parts Car" (1982-1983) 1959 PV544 (manual/white) - "The Igloomobile"
    (1983-1984)

  10. Indeed. The question is, why are most taxis in the Middle East ancient diesel Mercs? This is a big
    thing to have in common. Well, maybe Israelis have it too good now (or not so good?) that many taxis
    are now from other automobile manufacturers, such as VW Skoda... Is this a sign that good-
    neighbourliness will be even harder to achieve?

    DAS
    --
    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    "Stan de SD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Patrik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Gene" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So......... who has the Mercedes? There will be no peace until we


    figure

    Quoted message said:

    out

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    what this has to do with cars or..... running?

    Since this is a cross post, between alt.bmw, mercedes and volvo I just want to say that Volvos
    are the best cars and that they rule big time!

    I don't think so - I know better. :O|

    Stan de SD

    1985 300SD - "Martha" (2003-present) 1968 142S (manual/gray) - "Olaf the Terrible" (1982-1983)
    1968 142S (auto/white) - "The Parts Car" (1982-1983) 1959 PV544 (manual/white) - "The Igloomobile"
    (1983-1984)

  11. "Dori A Schmetterling" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed. The question is, why are most taxis in the Middle East ancient diesel Mercs? This is a big
    thing to have in common. Well, maybe


    Israelis

    Quoted message said:

    have it too good now (or not so good?) that many taxis are now from other automobile
    manufacturers, such as VW Skoda... Is this a sign that good-neighbourliness will be even harder to
    achieve?

    DAS
    --
    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    Ooops, did I cut out all the [censored] that suggested Volvo's were better?... quel dommage!!!!!! Merc's
    are used as taxis because they go on for ever.. a bit of gas and a change of oil occasionally is all
    that they need.. BMW's are not used because they are too fast and the resultant dust cloud that they
    leave behind them pisses off the Merc drivers.. Checkers are way too heavy and sink in the sand..
    the use of VW Skoda is obviously part of a 'West' plot to ensure that nobody reaches their
    destination.. 🙂

  12. Volvo used to be great. MB used to be great. Both have "modern" problems, eg electronics, quality of
    components by suppliers, etc. .

    Volvo trucks are still great and older Volvo and MB are still great.

  13. Mike Hall said:

    the use of VW Skoda is obviously part of a 'West' plot to ensure that nobody reaches their
    destination..

    Given the history of all parties in the present conflict, would this be such a bad thing?

    Taxis carrying Arab suicide bombers overheating in traffic... Taxis carrying Israeli helicopter
    gunship pilots to their base broken down... Peaceniks can't find a cab...

  14. "Mike Hall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dori A Schmetterling" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed. The question is, why are most taxis in the Middle East ancient diesel Mercs? This is a
    big thing to have in common. Well, maybe


    Israelis

    Quoted message said:

    have it too good now (or not so good?) that many taxis are now from other automobile
    manufacturers, such as VW Skoda... Is this a sign that good-neighbourliness will be even harder
    to achieve?

    DAS
    --
    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling

    Quoted message said:

    Ooops, did I cut out all the [censored] that suggested Volvo's were better?... quel dommage!!!!!! Merc's
    are used as taxis because they go on for ever.. a bit of gas and a change of oil occasionally is
    all that they need.. BMW's are not used because they are too fast and the resultant dust cloud
    that they leave behind them pisses off the Merc drivers.. Checkers are way too heavy and sink in
    the sand.. the use of VW Skoda is obviously part of a 'West' plot to ensure that nobody reaches
    their destination.. 🙂

    Well if that is the criteria then surely Mercurys, Oldsmobiles and Plymouthes from the 50s and 60s
    must be the best cars, because in Cuba there are loads of them. They dont break at all and the lucky
    Cubans never need to buy new cars! Some pepole talk about a trade embargo but I dont beleive that.

    Me for one would not mind if all old diesel Mercs got shipped to the Middle East. They really smell
    worse than other old cars. Why is that anyway?

    (I kept the crossposting to rec.running, because the issue with old smelly diesel mercs is also
    related to running) :-)

    Take care and buy a Volvo next time!

    /Patrik

  15. "Patrik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mike Hall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Dori A Schmetterling" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed. The question is, why are most taxis in the Middle East


    ancient

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    diesel Mercs? This is a big thing to have in common. Well, maybe


    Israelis

    Quoted message said:

    have it too good now (or not so good?) that many taxis are now from


    other

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    automobile manufacturers, such as VW Skoda... Is this a sign that good-neighbourliness will be
    even harder to achieve?

    DAS
    --
    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling

    Quoted message said:

    Ooops, did I cut out all the [censored] that suggested Volvo's were better?... quel dommage!!!!!!
    Merc's are used as taxis because they go on for


    ever.. a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bit of gas and a change of oil occasionally is all that they need..


    BMW's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are not used because they are too fast and the resultant dust cloud that they leave behind them
    pisses off the Merc drivers.. Checkers are way


    too

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    heavy and sink in the sand.. the use of VW Skoda is obviously part of a 'West' plot to ensure
    that nobody reaches their destination.. 🙂

    Well if that is the criteria then surely Mercurys, Oldsmobiles and Plymouthes from the 50s and
    60s must be the best cars, because in Cuba there are loads of them. They dont break at all and
    the lucky Cubans never need to buy new cars! Some pepole talk about a trade embargo but I dont
    beleive that.

    Me for one would not mind if all old diesel Mercs got shipped to the Middle East. They really
    smell worse than other old cars. Why is that anyway?

    (I kept the crossposting to rec.running, because the issue with old smelly diesel mercs is also
    related to running) :-)

    Take care and buy a Volvo next time!

    They're no worse than the old Diesel Volvos, it's a shame they don't offer modern Diesels over here,
    the only Volvo Diesels we got have the old VW 6 in them.

  16. "James Sweet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:ils1c.36390$PR3.683531@attbi_s03...

    Quoted message said:

    They're no worse than the old Diesel Volvos, it's a shame they don't offer modern Diesels over
    here, the only Volvo Diesels we got have the old VW 6


    in

    Quoted message said:

    them.

    I do not believe diesels will ever catch on in the US in any big way until the financial dis-
    incentive is removed. You pay a premium up front for a diesel, particularly the better diesels, and
    it takes a ton of miles to make that cost up in fuel economy given that diesel and petrol prices in
    the US are very close to each other. It would certainly be nice to have the option, but for now it
    doesn't seem to me that the US is rich soil for diesels. It will be interesting to see how sales for
    the diesel Liberty, E-class and Volks come in after a year or so. I imagine all other manufacturers
    will be monitoring those sales as well.

  17. "Luca Cappelli" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "James Sweet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    They're no worse than the old Diesel Volvos, it's a shame they don't


    offer

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    modern Diesels over here, the only Volvo Diesels we got have the old VW


    6

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    them.

    I do not believe diesels will ever catch on in the US in any big way until the financial dis-
    incentive is removed. You pay a premium up front for a diesel, particularly the better diesels,
    and it takes a ton of miles to


    make

    Quoted message said:

    that cost up in fuel economy given that diesel and petrol prices in the US are very close to
    each other.

    Actually, you should look at it the other way: diesels are popular in Europe *because* of the
    incentives given to owners. Ie, lower taxes on diesel fuel, lower road/excise taxes on ownership of
    diesel cars.

    Without those incentives, of course they're not popular over here.

    Floyd

  18. "fbloogyudsr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Luca Cappelli" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "James Sweet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    They're no worse than the old Diesel Volvos, it's a shame they don't


    offer

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    modern Diesels over here, the only Volvo Diesels we got have the old


    VW

    Quoted message said:

    6

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    them.

    I do not believe diesels will ever catch on in the US in any big way


    until

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the financial dis-incentive is removed. You pay a premium up front for a diesel, particularly
    the better diesels, and it takes a ton of miles to


    make

    Quoted message said:

    that cost up in fuel economy given that diesel and petrol prices in the


    US

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are very close to each other.

    Actually, you should look at it the other way:

    Why should I do that? Cost is cost. If it cost more to buy, operate and then loose money at resale,
    a diesel car here...then that is the main reason they aren't readily accepted in the US. It doesn't
    matter one bit what is happening in other countries. The fact is it costs more to own and operate a
    diesel in the US than a comparable gas auto.

  19. "Luca Cappelli" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "fbloogyudsr" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Luca Cappelli" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the financial dis-incentive is removed.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Actually, you should look at it the other way:

    Why should I do that? Cost is cost.

    Sure, but there is no "dis-incentive" not to buy diesels, just no "incentive" like there is in
    Europe. Get your terminology straight.

    Floyd

  20. Take back that libel against Skoda! As a Canadian/North American you have probably never
    experienced one...

    ;-) DAS
    --
    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    "Mike Hall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    [......]
    . the use of VW Skoda is obviously part of a

    Quoted message said:

    'West' plot to ensure that nobody reaches their destination.. 🙂

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.