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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:56:39 -0500, A Muzi <[email hidden]>

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Voting for the GWB the first time is bad, but not that bad. If
someone is really conservative, it could be a vote for the
conservative ideals.

The only reasons to vote for him the second time were insanity,
ignorance (not that surprising given the state of mass media in the
US) or ego (not willing to admit a mistake).

Even for you that's over the top. 50.9% (vs. 48.5%) of adult registered
voter Americans who bothered to go to the polls insane? Ignorant?

Yes, one of those three reasons. Ignorance is a major portion and not
necessarily their fault -- if anything it's the "fault" of the
structure of our national media.

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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:29:37 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

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If you can honestly say that the current Democratic leadership (Reid,
Pelosi, Clinton, etc.) wants the US to have a successful outcome in Iraq,
then you're in your own fantasy land.

Sornis is vaguely onto a grain of truth here. Or to be more specific
-- they may want a sucessful outcome, but do not believe it is
possible. And sadly, it probably isn't possible. So they want the
least bad outcome. Which is probably the US pulling out.

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If-I-recall-correctly, Mark Hickey was not in the habit of starting
political threads and or shifting technical threads to politics. He
typically replied to posters who did so.

Sorni started politics recently in the Landis thread.
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Jobst, he's *always* doing this.

As I said before, he has trouble with either

a) the usenet quoting convention; or

b) numbers larger than 2.

It's both. Actually it's usenet concepts in general.

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DI said:

he was baiting me into saying I watched Fox
News so he could jump on that.

So I'm asking you to tell us where you get your news. I want to know.
What are you hiding? Where do you get your news?
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:07:13 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

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Prediction: someone else injected politics first, Mark spoke up (an
unforgiveable act because he's conservative),

LOL, in the recent thread that was the "final straw" for Mark Hickey,
that someone injecting poltiics first would be you.

And BTW, Mark isn't just conservative -- he's a neo-conservative Bush
supporter, which is the key thing.
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:45:31 -0500, A Muzi <[email hidden]>

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Doug Taylor said:

Although, I suppose historically Christians have been able somehow to
justify torture of their fellow humans, despite the fact that you
can't find evidence of Jesus teaching that in the New Testament.

Tim McNamara said:

You mean, like, the Inquisition? The Crusades? Burning "heretics?"
Tormenting people falsely accused of witchcraft? Murdering people in
the name of God? Christianity has a 2000 year history of twisting the
teachings of Jesus for political reasons and out of sheer perverse
self-righteousness.

I'm not one, but in the general scheme of religions, the periods you
cover for Christians are pretty short, considering.

Personally I care most about three sorts of terrible political
actions.

1. Those that are a global threat, or a threat to me and my country
(Naziism is such an example). There are groups in the world today
that aspire to such power or influence, but none that are close to
having them. The Iraq war is probably helping such groups in
recruiting and global public relations.

2. Those that could relatively easily be helped or avoided

3. Those done in my name (via my own Government).

Some radicals in some country may kill a few people, and that disturbs
me, but it can't disturb me as much as, say, torture done by my own
government, who ostendibly I can influence and are doing things for
me.
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DI said:

he was baiting me into saying I watched Fox
News so he could jump on that.

So I'm asking you to tell us where you get your news. I want to know.
What are you hiding? Where do you get your news?
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I'm trying my best to be liberal, I just make news up as I go.

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T. Ling Yu said:

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> Actually, if you do a little research, you will discover that *far*
> more people have been killed throughout history by atheist despots
> than by the RC church. The numbers aren't even close.

OK! NAME 10

so, can anyone offer a synopsis of the [censored]?

Ok...

20+ million Soviets were not able to meet the rigorous

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North Korea is quite blessed to have a Great Leader in
President Kim Il Sung. It is because of Him that the
mistakes of the past shall not be revisted.

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"Today the D.P.R.K. is a genuine worker's state where
all the people are completely liberated from the exploitation
and oppression. The workers, peasants, soldiers and intellectuals
are the real owners of the power and defend their interests."

Wow! I heard that Kim Jung Il was amused by the internet, and has a
connection. I can't imagine anyone else in the entire world
with an internet connection supporting that government.

The DPRK enjoys the brotherhood and support of socialist workers
everywhere. r.b.m. can also support the DPRK's efforts to get bicycles
to less fortunate proletariat in other countries by sending new and
used bicycles to DPRK.

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Is that You? Please don't drop any bombs on my house. One problem
though: you got your own name wrong

"The DPRK and the entire Korean people will
uphold the great leader Comrade Kim Il Sung
as the eternal President of the Republic."

- The Constitution of the Democratic Peoples's
Republic of Korea

Kim Jong Il applies the traditions, vision, and leadership of
the Great Leader into the 21st century and beyond.

DI said:

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DI said:

he was baiting me into saying I watched Fox
News so he could jump on that.

So I'm asking you to tell us where you get your news. I want to
know. What are you hiding? Where do you get your news?
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I'm trying my best to be liberal, I just make news up as I go.

You forgot to include /ignoring/ a bunch, too.

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"The DPRK and the entire Korean people will
uphold the great leader Comrade Kim Il Sung
as the eternal President of the Republic."

- The Constitution of the Democratic Peoples's
Republic of Korea

Kim Jong Il applies the traditions, vision, and leadership of
the Great Leader into the 21st century and beyond.

Bang! Problem solved.

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"T. Ling Yu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"The DPRK and the entire Korean people will
uphold the great leader Comrade Kim Il Sung
as the eternal President of the Republic."

- The Constitution of the Democratic Peoples's
Republic of Korea

Kim Jong Il applies the traditions, vision, and leadership of
the Great Leader into the 21st century and beyond.

Bang! Problem solved.

Attractive state employees who wish to bang the president
shall wait until escorted by State Police up to the
president's hotel suite.

"Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:463622a5$0$27104
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DI said:

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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:37:21 -0500, "DI" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> he was baiting me into saying I watched Fox
> News so he could jump on that.

So I'm asking you to tell us where you get your news. I want to
know. What are you hiding? Where do you get your news?
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I'm trying my best to be liberal, I just make news up as I go.

You forgot to include /ignoring/ a bunch, too.

Liberals wear revolution like it was colorful lycra,
while continuing to wallow in their own bourgeois comfort
saddles.

A beloved comrade said it best:
"They like to think they are true bikers, but really
they are like Nascar bully bikers."

If you truly wish to join the Revolution, you should
voice support for the confiscation of excess bicycles from
the bourgeoisie for redistribution to the proletariat. This
serves the state as a means of control by fear over the former,
and control by need over the latter. From what I read, there
are many here who have more than one bike and some who have
need of bike.

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"DI" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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"T. Ling Yu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"The DPRK and the entire Korean people will
uphold the great leader Comrade Kim Il Sung
as the eternal President of the Republic."

- The Constitution of the Democratic Peoples's
Republic of Korea

Kim Jong Il applies the traditions, vision, and leadership of
the Great Leader into the 21st century and beyond.

Bang! Problem solved.

Attractive state employees who wish to bang the president
shall wait until escorted by State Police up to the
president's hotel suite.

No, he looks like he's been banged to much already, not my type. Thinking
of a different kind of bang.

Bill Sornson said:

DI said:

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Sore Knee,
You and DI should get a room.
Bill Baka

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Sure appears you're whipped, might as well give up and go ride your
tricycle.

But put a governor on it, first! Those 55 mph descents on Hot Wheels can
get HAIRY...

LOL

I'm just tallying the 2 of you as the top numbskulls in the group.
Sorry 4 U.
I don't think anyone will be jumping to YOUR defense.
Bill Baka

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Bill Sornson writes:

>> You mean, like, the Inquisition? The Crusades? Burning
>> "heretics?" Tormenting people falsely accused of witchcraft?
>> Murdering people in the name of God? Christianity has a 2000 year
>> history of twisting the teachings of Jesus for political reasons
>> and out of sheer perverse self-righteousness.
> You seem to have more problems with horrible acts carried out
> hundreds if not thousands of years ago than with current,
> present-day atrocities like beheadings, homicide bombings, ethnic
> cleansing, rape rooms, torture chambers, etc. If the actors are (or
> see themselves as) /oppressed/, that makes it OK?
Read "End of Faith" by Harris if you need the more recent crimes
listed that are performed in the name of God.

http://tinyurl.com/2o9oju

I notice you claim not to be a member of a religion, but shy away from
declaring you are an atheist. Where do you stand.

Jobst Brandt

Geesh,
More harm and war crimes and outright torture and injustice can be
attributed to religion than anything else in all of history. The crimes
committed by the catholic church make [censored] and Stalin look like fairly
decent people. As long as we have religious wars and killing then religion
is more of a force for evil than for good.
Hence, I will state, before anyone can accuse me of something, that I am
100% Atheist. No caring and loving 'God' would tolerate all this [censored] in
his/her name.
Bill Baka

Actually, if you do a little research, you will discover that *far* more
people have been killed throughout history by atheist despots than by the RC
church. The numbers aren't even close.

ed

I know that there were the Romans, Ghengis Khan, Spanish Conquistadors,
Napoleon, Stalin, [censored], Bush, Bush....
Then there were the religious murders committed in the name of the
church for over 1,000 years.
If I did the research, religion would lose. Historically it has been the
Christians murdering the non-Christians but lately the Muslims are
taking up the slack.
Bill Baka

T. Ling Yu said:

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Actually, if you do a little research, you will discover that *far*
more people have been killed throughout history by atheist despots
than by the RC church. The numbers aren't even close.

OK! NAME 10

so, can anyone offer a synopsis of the [censored]?

Ok...

20+ million Soviets were not able to meet the rigorous
challenges of collectivism. Some became criminals and
regretfully had to be executed or sent to work camps,
where their personal shame drove them to work to death.
Most were not able to meet their own nutritional needs
while keeping up state quotas. These heroic comrades
bravely sacrified themselves to keep the rest of
Mother Russia fed.

A similar fate met only 40+ million Chinese, but this is a
mere pittance when considering the vast greatness that is
China. Tens of millions of peasants were eager to forgo
their backward traditions and flooded onto collective farms
that were not prepared for such eagerness. Unfortunately,
a few tens of millions were unable to grow enough food for
themselves and the state, so they bravely chose to feed only
the state and try to make up for their failure by working so
hard that they perished.

In Cambodia, when the Revolution required the people to
work in the fields, over a million felt that they were
overqualified. They were sent to a special field to ponder
their arrogance, but they were never able to accept the
wisdom of "Brother number 1", and so they perished of their
own ignorance.

North Korea is quite blessed to have a Great Leader in
President Kim Il Sung. It is because of Him that the
mistakes of the past shall not be revisted.

"Today the D.P.R.K. is a genuine worker's state where
all the people are completely liberated from the exploitation
and oppression. The workers, peasants, soldiers and intellectuals
are the real owners of the power and defend their interests."

HUH?
Who invited the Commies?
Bill Baka

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HUH?
Who invited the Commies?

An invitation is required to post to rbm?!
Should I wait for my invitation before I post again?

T. Ling Yu said:

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Bill Sornson said:

Bill wrote:

> We aren't ready for a black, even half black, that much is true.
> We better never be ready for a Hispanic or we are doomed.
> A woman will get in sooner or later, as will a half-black.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you... BILL BAKA.

Bill "someone save that quote" S.

Sore Knee,
What do you find to be disingenuous about that?
A Hillary/Obama ticket would probably do the trick, but if they start
attacking each other to be top dog, then I doubt that either will win.
As for a Mexican president of the United States, I don't see that
happening, or do you know something I don't? Not likely.

It's interesting how you are avoiding clarifying the "doomed"
part.

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Bill (laughing at Sore Knee now) Baka

"We better never be ready for a Hispanic or we are doomed."
How are we doomed if we are ready for a Hispanic president?

I simply don't want this country to become the United States of Mexico.
Obama is sort of believable as a half black candidate but having guys
like Al Sharpton making a big deal out of his run, can only damage his
chances.
Hillary is more believable since she has had 8 years as first lady so I
am sure she knows how things work. Having Obama as a Vice President
would give him experience in the number 2 spot and he would have a
better chance 4 years from now.
Any Republican (except Arnold) will just destroy the last remnants of
respect this country has in the eyes of the world.
Simple enough.
Bill Baka

Bill Sornson said:

T. Ling Yu said:

Bill <[email hidden]> wrote in news:LGbZh.2014$tp5.572
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>> We aren't ready for a black, even half black, that much is true.
>> We better never be ready for a Hispanic or we are doomed.
>> A woman will get in sooner or later, as will a half-black.
> Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you... BILL BAKA.
>
> Bill "someone save that quote" S.
>
>
Sore Knee,
What do you find to be disingenuous about that?
A Hillary/Obama ticket would probably do the trick, but if they start
attacking each other to be top dog, then I doubt that either will
win. As for a Mexican president of the United States, I don't see
that happening, or do you know something I don't? Not likely.

It's interesting how you are avoiding clarifying the "doomed"
part.

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Bill (laughing at Sore Knee now) Baka

"We better never be ready for a Hispanic or we are doomed."
How are we doomed if we are ready for a Hispanic president?

Bill hates Mexicans, and is not /bright/ enough to know the difference
between an Hispanic politician and his own bigoted, deplorable stereotypes.

HTH

Sore Knee,
Once again you are so delusional.
I live in California and the last 2 elections for governor have brought
out the prime examples. When Gray Davis was ousted we had
Cruz 'sleaze' Bustamante trying to weasel his way in and virtually
guaranteed defeat for both Davis and himself. Last year we had Phil
Angelides trying to grab the governorship from Arnold with the hispanic
vote and he got put down. A Mexican governor in a heavily Mexican state
would not be good for immigration control. A Mexican president would
just open the floodgates.
I am an engineer and have worked with very intelligent blacks, Asians,
East Indians, and zero Mexicans. Janitors don't count.
Bill Baka