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[email hidden] wrote: > Bill Sornson writes: > >>> You mean, like, the Inquisition? The Crusades? Burning >>> "heretics?" Tormenting people falsely accused of witchcraft? >>> Murdering people in the name of God? Christianity has a 2000 year >>> history of twisting the teachings of Jesus for political reasons >>> and out of sheer perverse self-righteousness. >> You seem to have more problems with horrible acts carried out >> hundreds if not thousands of years ago than with current, >> present-day atrocities like beheadings, homicide bombings, ethnic >> cleansing, rape rooms, torture chambers, etc. If the actors are (or >> see themselves as) /oppressed/, that makes it OK? > Read "End of Faith" by Harris if you need the more recent crimes > listed that are performed in the name of God. > > http://tinyurl.com/2o9oju > > I notice you claim not to be a member of a religion, but shy away from > declaring you are an atheist. Where do you stand. > > Jobst Brandt Geesh, More harm and war crimes and outright torture and injustice can be attributed to religion than anything else in all of history. The crimes committed by the catholic church make [censored] and Stalin look like fairly decent people. As long as we have religious wars and killing then religion is more of a force for evil than for good. Hence, I will state, before anyone can accuse me of something, that I am 100% Atheist. No caring and loving 'God' would tolerate all this [censored] in his/her name. Bill Baka
Actually, if you do a little research, you will discover that *far* more people have been killed throughout history by atheist despots than by the RC church. The numbers aren't even close.
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I know that there were the Romans, Ghengis Khan, Spanish Conquistadors, Napoleon, Stalin, [censored], Bush, Bush.... Then there were the religious murders committed in the name of the church for over 1,000 years. If I did the research, religion would lose. Historically it has been the Christians murdering the non-Christians but lately the Muslims are taking up the slack. Bill Baka
Again, atheist despots and atheist regimes have murdered and killed far more people than any other group throughout history.
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:56:39 -0500, A Muzi <[email hidden]>
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Voting for the GWB the first time is bad, but not that bad. If someone is really conservative, it could be a vote for the conservative ideals.
The only reasons to vote for him the second time were insanity, ignorance (not that surprising given the state of mass media in the US) or ego (not willing to admit a mistake).
Even for you that's over the top. 50.9% (vs. 48.5%) of adult registered voter Americans who bothered to go to the polls insane? Ignorant?
Yes, one of those three reasons. Ignorance is a major portion and not necessarily their fault -- if anything it's the "fault" of the structure of our national media.
Ignorance maybe, mis-information probably. Fox is leaning heavily to the right, and I think the other networks are under threat by the administration controlled F.C.C. Almost anything negative about the Democrats seems to pop up easily enough, but only the big and unable to sweep under the rug stuff makes it on the Republicans. Then we have Rush Limbaugh and Paul Harvey, who I have listened to since the 1950's, not for his right tilt, but for his news tidbits that others ignore. Bill Baka
If you can honestly say that the current Democratic leadership (Reid, Pelosi, Clinton, etc.) wants the US to have a successful outcome in Iraq, then you're in your own fantasy land.
Sornis is vaguely onto a grain of truth here. Or to be more specific -- they may want a sucessful outcome, but do not believe it is possible. And sadly, it probably isn't possible. So they want the least bad outcome. Which is probably the US pulling out.
I went through the Viet Nam era and at no point did I ever see it as a winnable situation. Iraq looks even worse. I think "Least bad" is the best outcome we can hope for. Bill Baka
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"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] wrote: >> Bill Sornson writes: >> >>>> You mean, like, the Inquisition? The Crusades? Burning >>>> "heretics?" Tormenting people falsely accused of witchcraft? >>>> Murdering people in the name of God? Christianity has a 2000 year >>>> history of twisting the teachings of Jesus for political reasons >>>> and out of sheer perverse self-righteousness. >>> You seem to have more problems with horrible acts carried out >>> hundreds if not thousands of years ago than with current, >>> present-day atrocities like beheadings, homicide bombings, ethnic >>> cleansing, rape rooms, torture chambers, etc. If the actors are (or >>> see themselves as) /oppressed/, that makes it OK? >> Read "End of Faith" by Harris if you need the more recent crimes >> listed that are performed in the name of God. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2o9oju >> >> I notice you claim not to be a member of a religion, but shy away from >> declaring you are an atheist. Where do you stand. >> >> Jobst Brandt > Geesh, > More harm and war crimes and outright torture and injustice can be > attributed to religion than anything else in all of history. The crimes > committed by the catholic church make [censored] and Stalin look like fairly > decent people. As long as we have religious wars and killing then > religion is more of a force for evil than for good. > Hence, I will state, before anyone can accuse me of something, that I am > 100% Atheist. No caring and loving 'God' would tolerate all this [censored] in > his/her name. > Bill Baka
Actually, if you do a little research, you will discover that *far* more people have been killed throughout history by atheist despots than by the RC church. The numbers aren't even close.
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I know that there were the Romans, Ghengis Khan, Spanish Conquistadors, Napoleon, Stalin, [censored], Bush, Bush.... Then there were the religious murders committed in the name of the church for over 1,000 years. If I did the research, religion would lose. Historically it has been the Christians murdering the non-Christians but lately the Muslims are taking up the slack. Bill Baka
Again, atheist despots and atheist regimes have murdered and killed far more people than any other group throughout history.
Do the research and you will be quite surprised.
ed
I think if you add up the grand total religion will be the victor in number of people killed. Whether [censored] counts for murdering Jews for their religion or just their race is kind of a toss-up. I hate history so don't ask me to do the research. If you want research on something technical, ask me. Bill Baka
An invitation is required to post to rbm?! Should I wait for my invitation before I post again?
Post at will, since this group is global, but don't expect many to agree with your outlook. Your point of view might actually provoke much more than you may have expected. Bill Baka
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Ed Chait wrote: > "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> [email hidden] wrote: >>> Bill Sornson writes: >>> >>>>> You mean, like, the Inquisition? The Crusades? Burning >>>>> "heretics?" Tormenting people falsely accused of witchcraft? >>>>> Murdering people in the name of God? Christianity has a 2000 year >>>>> history of twisting the teachings of Jesus for political reasons >>>>> and out of sheer perverse self-righteousness. >>>> You seem to have more problems with horrible acts carried out >>>> hundreds if not thousands of years ago than with current, >>>> present-day atrocities like beheadings, homicide bombings, ethnic >>>> cleansing, rape rooms, torture chambers, etc. If the actors are (or >>>> see themselves as) /oppressed/, that makes it OK? >>> Read "End of Faith" by Harris if you need the more recent crimes >>> listed that are performed in the name of God. >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/2o9oju >>> >>> I notice you claim not to be a member of a religion, but shy away >>> from >>> declaring you are an atheist. Where do you stand. >>> >>> Jobst Brandt >> Geesh, >> More harm and war crimes and outright torture and injustice can be >> attributed to religion than anything else in all of history. The >> crimes committed by the catholic church make [censored] and Stalin look >> like fairly decent people. As long as we have religious wars and >> killing then religion is more of a force for evil than for good. >> Hence, I will state, before anyone can accuse me of something, that I >> am 100% Atheist. No caring and loving 'God' would tolerate all this >> [censored] in his/her name. >> Bill Baka > > Actually, if you do a little research, you will discover that *far* > more people have been killed throughout history by atheist despots than > by the RC church. The numbers aren't even close. > > ed I know that there were the Romans, Ghengis Khan, Spanish Conquistadors, Napoleon, Stalin, [censored], Bush, Bush.... Then there were the religious murders committed in the name of the church for over 1,000 years. If I did the research, religion would lose. Historically it has been the Christians murdering the non-Christians but lately the Muslims are taking up the slack. Bill Baka
Again, atheist despots and atheist regimes have murdered and killed far more people than any other group throughout history.
Do the research and you will be quite surprised.
ed
I think if you add up the grand total religion will be the victor in number of people killed. Whether [censored] counts for murdering Jews for their religion or just their race is kind of a toss-up. I hate history so don't ask me to do the research. If you want research on something technical, ask me. Bill Baka
Since you "hate history" and refuse to research it, your proclamations in regards to it have about as much veracity as a braying donkey.
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I think if you add up the grand total religion will be the victor in number of people killed. Whether [censored] counts for murdering Jews for their religion or just their race is kind of a toss-up. I hate history so don't ask me to do the research. If you want research on something technical, ask me. Bill Baka
Since you "hate history" and refuse to research it, your proclamations in regards to it have about as much veracity as a braying donkey.
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I didn't say I was ignorant on the subject since I did actually pay attention in high school. I avoided history in college since I felt I had had enough in high school. Still, what I did learn has not changed and I find it interesting that you would challenge me to waste my time looking up the obvious. What is painfully obvious to anyone with a functional brain is that we are 1,000 years behind where we should be because of a Christian infrastructure that persecuted any inventors or scientists for heresy. The Earth is flat. The universe revolves around the Earth, home of the supreme human race. Our God is better than your God, and if you don't agree we will kill you. Get the point? The history of religion makes me want to lose my lunch. Bill Baka
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"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ed Chait wrote: >> "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> [email hidden] wrote: >>>> Bill Sornson writes: >>>> >>>>>> You mean, like, the Inquisition? The Crusades? Burning >>>>>> "heretics?" Tormenting people falsely accused of witchcraft? >>>>>> Murdering people in the name of God? Christianity has a 2000 >>>>>> year history of twisting the teachings of Jesus for political >>>>>> reasons and out of sheer perverse self-righteousness. >>>>> You seem to have more problems with horrible acts carried out >>>>> hundreds if not thousands of years ago than with current, >>>>> present-day atrocities like beheadings, homicide bombings, >>>>> ethnic cleansing, rape rooms, torture chambers, etc. If the >>>>> actors are (or see themselves as) /oppressed/, that makes it >>>>> OK? >>>> Read "End of Faith" by Harris if you need the more recent crimes >>>> listed that are performed in the name of God. >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/2o9oju >>>> >>>> I notice you claim not to be a member of a religion, but shy >>>> away from >>>> declaring you are an atheist. Where do you stand. >>>> >>>> Jobst Brandt >>> Geesh, >>> More harm and war crimes and outright torture and injustice can >>> be attributed to religion than anything else in all of history. >>> The crimes committed by the catholic church make [censored] and >>> Stalin look like fairly decent people. As long as we have >>> religious wars and killing then religion is more of a force for >>> evil than for good. Hence, I will state, before anyone can >>> accuse me of something, that I am 100% Atheist. No caring and >>> loving 'God' would tolerate all this [censored] in his/her name. >>> Bill Baka >> >> Actually, if you do a little research, you will discover that >> *far* more people have been killed throughout history by atheist >> despots than by the RC church. The numbers aren't even close. >> >> ed > I know that there were the Romans, Ghengis Khan, Spanish > Conquistadors, Napoleon, Stalin, [censored], Bush, Bush.... > Then there were the religious murders committed in the name of the > church for over 1,000 years. > If I did the research, religion would lose. Historically it has > been the Christians murdering the non-Christians but lately the > Muslims are taking up the slack. > Bill Baka
Again, atheist despots and atheist regimes have murdered and killed far more people than any other group throughout history.
Do the research and you will be quite surprised.
ed
I think if you add up the grand total religion will be the victor in number of people killed. Whether [censored] counts for murdering Jews for their religion or just their race is kind of a toss-up. I hate history so don't ask me to do the research. If you want research on something technical, ask me. Bill Baka
Since you "hate history" and refuse to research it, your proclamations in regards to it have about as much veracity as a braying donkey.
You, sir, have insulted donkeys in a VERY vile way!
> Bill Sornson wrote: >> Bill wrote: >> >>> We aren't ready for a black, even half black, that much is true. >>> We better never be ready for a Hispanic or we are doomed. >>> A woman will get in sooner or later, as will a half-black. >> Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you... BILL BAKA. >> >> Bill "someone save that quote" S. >> >> > Sore Knee, > What do you find to be disingenuous about that? > A Hillary/Obama ticket would probably do the trick, but if they > start attacking each other to be top dog, then I doubt that either > will win. As for a Mexican president of the United States, I don't > see that happening, or do you know something I don't? Not likely. It's interesting how you are avoiding clarifying the "doomed" part.
> Bill (laughing at Sore Knee now) Baka > "We better never be ready for a Hispanic or we are doomed." How are we doomed if we are ready for a Hispanic president?
Bill hates Mexicans, and is not /bright/ enough to know the difference between an Hispanic politician and his own bigoted, deplorable stereotypes. HTH
Sore Knee, Once again you are so delusional. I live in California and the last 2 elections for governor have brought out the prime examples. When Gray Davis was ousted we had Cruz 'sleaze' Bustamante trying to weasel his way in and virtually guaranteed defeat for both Davis and himself. Last year we had Phil Angelides trying to grab the governorship from Arnold with the hispanic vote and he got put down. A Mexican governor in a heavily Mexican state would not be good for immigration control. A Mexican president would just open the floodgates. I am an engineer and have worked with very intelligent blacks, Asians, East Indians, and zero Mexicans. Janitors don't count. Bill Baka
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you yet again: Bill "Bigot" Baka
"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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I think if you add up the grand total religion will be the victor in number of people killed. Whether [censored] counts for murdering Jews for their religion or just their race is kind of a toss-up. I hate history so don't ask me to do the research. If you want research on something technical, ask me. Bill Baka
Since you "hate history" and refuse to research it, your proclamations in regards to it have about as much veracity as a braying donkey.
You, sir, have insulted donkeys in a VERY vile way!
LOL
Sore Knee, You insult anything that reeks of any intelligence, all the way down to the Chimps at the zoo, maybe even down to Amoeba. Parse that any way you like. Bill Baka
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Bill hates Mexicans, and is not /bright/ enough to know the difference between an Hispanic politician and his own bigoted, deplorable stereotypes.
HTH
Sornson, I'm inclined to give Baka more credit than you.
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Sore Knee, Once again you are so delusional. I live in California and the last 2 elections for governor have brought out the prime examples. When Gray Davis was ousted we had Cruz 'sleaze' Bustamante trying to weasel his way in and virtually guaranteed defeat for both Davis and himself. Last year we had Phil Angelides trying to grab the governorship from Arnold with the hispanic vote and he got put down. A Mexican governor in a heavily Mexican state would not be good for immigration control. A Mexican president would just open the floodgates. I am an engineer and have worked with very intelligent blacks, Asians, East Indians, and zero Mexicans. Janitors don't count. Bill Baka
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Bill hates Mexicans, and is not /bright/ enough to know the difference between an Hispanic politician and his own bigoted, deplorable stereotypes.
HTH
Sornson, I'm inclined to give Baka more credit than you.
You must be new, Yu. (Sorry 🙂 )
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Sore Knee, Once again you are so delusional. I live in California and the last 2 elections for governor have brought out the prime examples. When Gray Davis was ousted we had Cruz 'sleaze' Bustamante trying to weasel his way in and virtually guaranteed defeat for both Davis and himself. Last year we had Phil Angelides trying to grab the governorship from Arnold with the hispanic vote and he got put down. A Mexican governor in a heavily Mexican state would not be good for immigration control. A Mexican president would just open the floodgates. I am an engineer and have worked with very intelligent blacks, Asians, East Indians, and zero Mexicans. Janitors don't count. Bill Baka
T. Ling Yu wrote: > Bill <[email hidden]> wrote in news:LGbZh.2014$tp5.572 > @newssvr23.news.prodigy.net: > >> Bill Sornson wrote: >>> Bill wrote: >>> >>>> We aren't ready for a black, even half black, that much is true. >>>> We better never be ready for a Hispanic or we are doomed. >>>> A woman will get in sooner or later, as will a half-black. >>> Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you... BILL BAKA. >>> >>> Bill "someone save that quote" S. >>> >>> >> Sore Knee, >> What do you find to be disingenuous about that? >> A Hillary/Obama ticket would probably do the trick, but if they >> start attacking each other to be top dog, then I doubt that either >> will win. As for a Mexican president of the United States, I don't >> see that happening, or do you know something I don't? Not likely. > It's interesting how you are avoiding clarifying the "doomed" > part. > >> Bill (laughing at Sore Knee now) Baka >> > "We better never be ready for a Hispanic or we are doomed." > How are we doomed if we are ready for a Hispanic president? Bill hates Mexicans, and is not /bright/ enough to know the difference between an Hispanic politician and his own bigoted, deplorable stereotypes. HTH
Sore Knee, Once again you are so delusional. I live in California and the last 2 elections for governor have brought out the prime examples. When Gray Davis was ousted we had Cruz 'sleaze' Bustamante trying to weasel his way in and virtually guaranteed defeat for both Davis and himself. Last year we had Phil Angelides trying to grab the governorship from Arnold with the hispanic vote and he got put down. A Mexican governor in a heavily Mexican state would not be good for immigration control. A Mexican president would just open the floodgates. I am an engineer and have worked with very intelligent blacks, Asians, East Indians, and zero Mexicans. Janitors don't count. Bill Baka
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you yet again: Bill "Bigot" Baka
Keep on going, MENSA! LOL
What Bigot? I seriously have not worked with or even known of a Hispanic electronics engineer. They don't seem to exist. I worked at H.P. for a year and the only Mexican with any kind of job other than janitor was a kid who worked in the financial department. He was my go-between for getting large dollar purchases approved. Nice kid, but not an engineer. Bill Baka
Seriously, what keeps Vandespammer out of here? He cross-posts to a whole bunch of newsgroups; why not these?
Don't tempt 'im.
Bill
__o |Weaning our nation from fossil fuels should be understood as _`\(,_ |the most patriotic policy to which we can commit ourselves. (_)/ (_) | -Robert Redford
If you want white trash, try BS, not me. Bill Baka Trying to preserve what's left of a once great country.
KEEP GOING, MENSA! LOL
It was a great country when I was a kid in the 50's. Cold war? Big deal. I think we peaked socially back then and peaked technologically in 1969 when we actually did put men on the moon. Now Bush has a 'vision' to put men on the moon by 2020? If I did join MENSA I sure wouldn't have to worry about meeting that moron. I hate having to attend meetings. So sorry. Bill Baka
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Bill hates Mexicans, and is not /bright/ enough to know the difference between an Hispanic politician and his own bigoted, deplorable stereotypes.
HTH
Sornson, I'm inclined to give Baka more credit than you.
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Sore Knee, Once again you are so delusional. I live in California and the last 2 elections for governor have brought out the prime examples. When Gray Davis was ousted we had Cruz 'sleaze' Bustamante trying to weasel his way in and virtually guaranteed defeat for both Davis and himself. Last year we had Phil Angelides trying to grab the governorship from Arnold with the hispanic vote and he got put down. A Mexican governor in a heavily Mexican state would not be good for immigration control. A Mexican president would just open the floodgates. I am an engineer and have worked with very intelligent blacks, Asians, East Indians, and zero Mexicans. Janitors don't count. Bill Baka
Ok, Sornson, I was wrong.
I only stated facts about my co-workers, and to tell the truth the Japanese and Chinese seem to be more intelligent than even the East Indians. There may be some cultural reason for this but I don't want to go there. Bill Baka
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Bill Sornson wrote: > T. Ling Yu wrote: >> Bill <[email hidden]> wrote in news:LGbZh.2014$tp5.572 >> @newssvr23.news.prodigy.net: >> >>> Bill Sornson wrote: >>>> Bill wrote: >>>> >>>>> We aren't ready for a black, even half black, that much is true. >>>>> We better never be ready for a Hispanic or we are doomed. >>>>> A woman will get in sooner or later, as will a half-black. >>>> Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you... BILL BAKA. >>>> >>>> Bill "someone save that quote" S. >>>> >>>> >>> Sore Knee, >>> What do you find to be disingenuous about that? >>> A Hillary/Obama ticket would probably do the trick, but if they >>> start attacking each other to be top dog, then I doubt that either >>> will win. As for a Mexican president of the United States, I don't >>> see that happening, or do you know something I don't? Not likely. >> It's interesting how you are avoiding clarifying the "doomed" >> part. >> >>> Bill (laughing at Sore Knee now) Baka >>> >> "We better never be ready for a Hispanic or we are doomed." >> How are we doomed if we are ready for a Hispanic president? > Bill hates Mexicans, and is not /bright/ enough to know the > difference between an Hispanic politician and his own bigoted, > deplorable stereotypes. HTH > > Sore Knee, Once again you are so delusional. I live in California and the last 2 elections for governor have brought out the prime examples. When Gray Davis was ousted we had Cruz 'sleaze' Bustamante trying to weasel his way in and virtually guaranteed defeat for both Davis and himself. Last year we had Phil Angelides trying to grab the governorship from Arnold with the hispanic vote and he got put down. A Mexican governor in a heavily Mexican state would not be good for immigration control. A Mexican president would just open the floodgates. I am an engineer and have worked with very intelligent blacks, Asians, East Indians, and zero Mexicans. Janitors don't count. Bill Baka
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you yet again: Bill "Bigot" Baka
Keep on going, MENSA! LOL
What Bigot? I seriously have not worked with or even known of a Hispanic electronics engineer. They don't seem to exist. I worked at H.P. for a year and the only Mexican with any kind of job other than janitor was a kid who worked in the financial department. He was my go-between for getting large dollar purchases approved. Nice kid, but not an engineer. Bill Baka
Wow. Baka Induction in action. 1. "I have not worked with Hispanic engineers, so Mexicans must not be intelligent." 2. "Mexicans are not intelligent, so if we have a Hispanic president, we are doomed."
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> Bill hates Mexicans, and is not /bright/ enough to know the > difference between an Hispanic politician and his own bigoted, > deplorable stereotypes. > > HTH >
Sornson, I'm inclined to give Baka more credit than you.
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Sore Knee, Once again you are so delusional. I live in California and the last 2 elections for governor have brought out the prime examples. When Gray Davis was ousted we had Cruz 'sleaze' Bustamante trying to weasel his way in and virtually guaranteed defeat for both Davis and himself. Last year we had Phil Angelides trying to grab the governorship from Arnold with the hispanic vote and he got put down. A Mexican governor in a heavily Mexican state would not be good for immigration control. A Mexican president would just open the floodgates. I am an engineer and have worked with very intelligent blacks, Asians, East Indians, and zero Mexicans. Janitors don't count. Bill Baka
Ok, Sornson, I was wrong.
I only stated facts about my co-workers, and to tell the truth the Japanese and Chinese seem to be more intelligent than even the East Indians. There may be some cultural reason for this but I don't want to go there.
Oh... that train has already left and you were the engineer.
