Goodbye

Bill wrote:
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Quoted message said:

my French/"American" grandfather's grandfather was an "American"
princess, daughter of the chief of the Huron nation.

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Quoted message said:

Bill Baka

I'm sorry, that sounds horrible.
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Ed Chait said:

Again, atheist despots and atheist regimes have murdered and killed far more
people than any other group throughout history.

Do the research and you will be quite surprised.

Surprised that the entire history of mankind is replete with war,
killing, murder, genocide, torture, violence, etc., whether by
"atheist" tyrants, secular despots, religious leaders, religions,
cults, sects, psychopaths, ordinary people, etc.?

I'm shocked; shocked!

The point is that it is the human norm, and that religions and
religious leaders are absolutely normal in that respect.

DI said:

"Moreover, the right wing has more systemic control of mass media about
politics in the US than people of any other political persuasion." there
goes all your credibility.

So for my information, what do you think the political inclinations of
corporate media boards of directors are? 'Cause from here they look
pretty dang right-wing/reactionary/fascist. And so does their "fair
and balanced" content, if you ask me. Why else would all of the major
networks call mercenaries "U.S. contractors" (to note just one tiny
example)?

But what do I know? I'm a treasonous terrorist-loving America-hating
extremist by some people's measures. Like wily Hamas, Taliban, and
AQ, I have won the misguided loyalty of the neighborhood children with
my no-cost bicycle repair!

Chalo

A Muzi said:

Bill wrote:
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Quoted message said:

my French/"American" grandfather's grandfather was an "American"
princess, daughter of the chief of the Huron nation.

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Quoted message said:

Bill Baka

I'm sorry, that sounds horrible.

The weird thing is that it is true. My great^4 grandfather was one of
the French who fought with the 'Real' Americans against the rather
brutal English colonists. His reward was to marry into the family.
Most of my long lost relatives are in Canada where they get along much
better than in the states. My family tree has a lot of branches.
Bill Baka

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Bill said:

My father was discriminated against for being Polish when he went
outside of his neighborhood into the Italian or other ethnic parts of
town. There was white on white discrimination too,

Gee, that kinda undermines your thesis about the late 1950s being so
great, huh?

Just saying...

In the 1920's Chicago had the ethnic neighborhood thing going on. Kind
of shoots down your sniping, huh? He, and most kids in Chicago back then
knew Al Capone as a kind of folk hero. I think he was the inventor of
the drive by shooting.
Different times, way different.
Bill Baka

Bill said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Bill said:

My father was discriminated against for being Polish when he went
outside of his neighborhood into the Italian or other ethnic parts of
town. There was white on white discrimination too,

Gee, that kinda undermines your thesis about the late 1950s being so
great, huh?

Just saying...

In the 1920's Chicago had the ethnic neighborhood thing going on. Kind
of shoots down your sniping, huh? He, and most kids in Chicago back then
knew Al Capone as a kind of folk hero. I think he was the inventor of
the drive by shooting.

Could you please try to write more clearly. If I write that there was
discrimination against blacks in the 1950s and then you respond by
saying that there was white-on-white discrimination, any normal reader
will assume you are talking about the same time period and not 30
years earlier.

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Bill said:

My family tree has a lot of branches.
Bill Baka

And seems to have borne at least a few nuts.
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zk

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Bill said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Tue, 01 May 2007 11:10:07 -0700, Bill <[email hidden]> wrote:

> My father was discriminated against for being Polish when he went
> outside of his neighborhood into the Italian or other ethnic parts of
> town. There was white on white discrimination too,
Gee, that kinda undermines your thesis about the late 1950s being so
great, huh?

Just saying...

In the 1920's Chicago had the ethnic neighborhood thing going on. Kind
of shoots down your sniping, huh? He, and most kids in Chicago back then
knew Al Capone as a kind of folk hero. I think he was the inventor of
the drive by shooting.

Could you please try to write more clearly. If I write that there was
discrimination against blacks in the 1950s and then you respond by
saying that there was white-on-white discrimination, any normal reader
will assume you are talking about the same time period and not 30
years earlier.

Please try to read more carefully what I actually said and not try to
bend it to your 'persecuted black' point of view. I'm 58, my dad, gone 5
years now, was born in Chicago in 1918 and grew up there in the roaring
20's, right in the middle of it all. Whatever bug you have up your ass
about being black don't bother me with it. I was never part of it. I
never even met a black person until high school when I shared a locker
with the only black kid in the school. He was a nice guy and a friend
for which I got endless [censored], even by prejudiced Mexicans. Figure that
one out, Mexicans prejudiced against blacks. Kind of strange.
I was born in Chicago in 1948 and moved to the sticks in 1950 so I never
got into that part of town.
Damn,
Do I owe you something for your blackness?
Bill Baka

Zoot Katz said:

Bill said:

My family tree has a lot of branches.
Bill Baka

And seems to have borne at least a few nuts.

Zoot,
I am NOT related to you.
Bill

Bill said:

Please try to read more carefully what I actually said and not try to
bend it to your 'persecuted black' point of view. I'm 58, my dad, gone 5
years now, was born in Chicago in 1918 and grew up there in the roaring
20's, right in the middle of it all. Whatever bug you have up your ass
about being black don't bother me with it.

I don't have a problem with being black. I do have a problem with
people saying because they or their relatives had it worse than me or
people of my ethnicity (on average) I can't point out racism in the
US.

I simply pointed out that your statement about society being better in
the late 1950s is not true for black people. That's a simple and true
comment that you needn't get defensive about. But for some reason that
sets you off talking about how persecuted relatives of yours were and
all sorts of stuff that is irrevelvant to my critique of your comment.

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"Chalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

DI said:

"Moreover, the right wing has more systemic control of mass media about
politics in the US than people of any other political persuasion."
there
goes all your credibility.

So for my information, what do you think the political inclinations of
corporate media boards of directors are? 'Cause from here they look
pretty dang right-wing/reactionary/fascist. And so does their "fair
and balanced" content, if you ask me. Why else would all of the major
networks call mercenaries "U.S. contractors" (to note just one tiny
example)?

The American Media have became to think they are the 4th branch of
government, and since the Vet Nam War they have did everything within their
power to destroy their percieved enemies. It's just now with talk radio
and media like Fox we have at least 2 sides, although both are probably
biased. At least with 2 opposite biased opinions you can decide who you
want to believe. They can't stand that, but their popularity is starting
to take hits. Also they are closely linked to Hollywood and TV, knowing
that someday the American People will start insisting the entertainment
programming be cleaned up, conservatives are the only ones who will be
willing to do that.

Quoted message said:

But what do I know? I'm a treasonous terrorist-loving America-hating
extremist by some people's measures. Like wily Hamas, Taliban, and
AQ, I have won the misguided loyalty of the neighborhood children with
my no-cost bicycle repair!

Most likely something you are proud of.

Quoted message said:

Chalo

Quoted message said:

It was a great country when I was a kid in the 50's. Cold war?
Big deal. I think we peaked socially back then and peaked
technologically in 1969 when we actually did put men on the moon.
Now Bush has a 'vision' to put men on the moon by 2020?
If I did join MENSA I sure wouldn't have to worry about meeting that moron.
I hate having to attend meetings.
So sorry.
Bill Baka

Heh. Peaked socially in the 50's? Blacks, gays, Japanese might disagree
with that assessment.

Your fear of "Mexicans" taking over the US of A fits right in with that.

--
Ted Bennett

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Bill said:

It was a great country when I was a kid in the 50's. Cold war?
Big deal. I think we peaked socially back then

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Certainly not for black people.

Depends on your measure. Afro Am business ownership peaked in 1958.

How about voting rights? Or who could marry whom?

--
Ted Bennett

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Bill said:

Quoted message said:

I simply pointed out that your statement about society being better in
the late 1950s is not true for black people. That's a simple and true
comment that you needn't get defensive about. But for some reason that
sets you off talking about how persecuted relatives of yours were and
all sorts of stuff that is irrevelvant to my critique of your comment.

--
JT

I was in High School and College in the late 1950's, you are absolutely
correct about the discrimination of Blacks. I've seen the "White Only"
facilities, even to the point of going to the back door of a local coffee
shop with a couple of Black Students who lived on my dorm floor. However I
don't think actual public opinion has changed much. Back then it was
discrimination because they were just simply black, today it's both
discrimination and distrust due to the actions of the young black males.
This condition has been brought on by 50+ years of the government trying to
fix the problem. Until the black community starts trying to help
themselves and stop listening to the likes of J.J, & A.S. they will never
climb out of their gutter.

BTW, I work for a black business owner who has became a multi-millionaire by
hard work and ambition, not government actions.

Bill <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

T. Ling Yu said:

Bill <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I only stated facts about my co-workers, and to tell the truth the
Japanese and Chinese seem to be more intelligent than even the East
Indians. There may be some cultural reason for this but I don't want
to go there.

Oh... that train has already left and you were the engineer.

Was that an insult or something? I didn't intend it as that, but an
observation and agreement with me in many magazine articles.
The Incas and Mayans were great at building things but not so good at
figuring out the intentions of the Spaniards. Good or bad?

I don't know.
There's a train of thought somewhere there, but not all the
cars got hooked up when it was posted.

Bill <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

T. Ling Yu said:

Bill <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

What Bigot?
I seriously have not worked with or even known of a Hispanic
electronics engineer. They don't seem to exist. I worked at H.P. for
a year and the only Mexican with any kind of job other than janitor
was a kid who worked in the financial department. He was my
go-between for getting large dollar purchases approved. Nice kid,
but not an engineer. Bill Baka

Wow. Baka Induction in action.
1. "I have not worked with Hispanic engineers, so Mexicans must not
be
intelligent."

They were cross breeds between the Spanish (soldiers were more like
mercenaries), and the native population, which may have been years
ahead of Spain (except weapons), or years behind.
I don't know the outcome of that equation.

I guess this clarifies why you have not worked with Mexican engineers.
(Although it doesn't explain the Mexican engineers I know who work at
IBM, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Sun and numerous smaller companies.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

2. "Mexicans are not intelligent, so if we have a Hispanic president,
we are doomed."

You did not even understand the point I was trying to get into your
thick (bulletproof thick?) skull. I meant they would be handing out
more favors and privileges based on ethnics.

Ahhhh...

So:
2. "Mexicans are not intelligent, so if we have a Hispanic president,
he or she would hand out favors and privileges."

Oh yeah. Much better.

Quoted message said:

Bill (cutting Sore Knee some slack) Baka

Quoted message said:

I love it! LOL!

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Bill said:

Please try to read more carefully what I actually said and not try to
bend it to your 'persecuted black' point of view. I'm 58, my dad, gone 5
years now, was born in Chicago in 1918 and grew up there in the roaring
20's, right in the middle of it all. Whatever bug you have up your ass
about being black don't bother me with it.

I don't have a problem with being black. I do have a problem with
people saying because they or their relatives had it worse than me or
people of my ethnicity (on average) I can't point out racism in the
US.

I simply pointed out that your statement about society being better in
the late 1950s is not true for black people. That's a simple and true
comment that you needn't get defensive about. But for some reason that
sets you off talking about how persecuted relatives of yours were and
all sorts of stuff that is irrevelvant to my critique of your comment.

Accept this then. In the 50's I, as a youth, was unaware of the problem.
My dad never was persecuted for being Polish, but there were some turf
battles over whose neighborhood it was, among the scruffy 1920's kids.
Nothing like the real turf wars that Capone had going on, but sort of a
friendly Whop, Deigo, Polack, Kyke, or whatever slur they used for
another part of town. The major drawback was that everyone wanted to
keep their own language alive and their were Jewish delis that you had
to be able to speak some Jewish just to order. Go around the block and
you had to speak Italian to order. People just had to settle in to the
idea of speaking English and then they all got along. Regardless of
differences in ethnicity, when Pearl Harbor got attacked they all
unanimously decided they were Americans first and foremost and flocked
to join up. After the war, it was a whole different country.
'nuff said.
Bill Baka

Ted Bennett said:

Quoted message said:

It was a great country when I was a kid in the 50's. Cold war?
Big deal. I think we peaked socially back then and peaked
technologically in 1969 when we actually did put men on the moon.
Now Bush has a 'vision' to put men on the moon by 2020?
If I did join MENSA I sure wouldn't have to worry about meeting that moron.
I hate having to attend meetings.
So sorry.
Bill Baka

Heh. Peaked socially in the 50's? Blacks, gays, Japanese might disagree
with that assessment.

Your fear of "Mexicans" taking over the US of A fits right in with that.

I hate illegal human trash that refuses to learn our language or customs.
Why the hell do we celebrate Cinco De Mayo but Mexico ignores the 4th of
July?
Do you have the smarts to figure out this is wrong?
Try to immigrate to Mexico and demand welfare and literature printed in
English and you will find yourself in a Mexican prison in a hurry.
If you can't figure out the injustice there then don't bother to reply.
Bill Baka

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bill wrote:
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Quoted message said:

my French/"American" grandfather's grandfather was an "American"
princess, daughter of the chief of the Huron nation.

-snip-

Quoted message said:

A Muzi said:

I'm sorry, that sounds horrible.

Bill said:

The weird thing is that it is true. My great^4 grandfather was one of
the French who fought with the 'Real' Americans against the rather
brutal English colonists. His reward was to marry into the family.
Most of my long lost relatives are in Canada where they get along much
better than in the states. My family tree has a lot of branches.

You're _clarifying_ that your grandfather's grandfather was a princess????
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