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Aren't they bloody uncomfortable?

Not for me

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I wore mine for tonight's time trial - first time in ages - and I'd
forgotten. It's a good one and it fits properly,

then it should not be uncomfortable!

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but... Crikey, people
really ride in these things? Voluntarily? They need their heads
examined.

No, just that everyone has their own opinon. You can choose to not wear one
and I can choose to wear one and we should respect each other's choice
rather than have a go at those who don't agree with yours.

Well said. We should let it rest there...

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

Let me repeat - mine is not uncomfortable. YMMV :-)

Let me re-emphasise, comfort is a relative thing and one where context
must be taken into account. Note how it's seen as perfectly reasonable
to hear something like, "after breaking both legs he was airlifted to
hospital, where his condition is described as 'comfortable'"!

I wore a cycle helmet on pretty much every trip I made between late '89
and sometime in 2003. I've got a lot of experience riding in one, and I
always maintained /exactly/ what you are saying now: "my helmet is not
uncomfortable". Before that, I'd ridden for years without one, so I had
plenty of experience of that as well, and with that in mind I was
/still/ saying "my helmet is not uncomfortable".

But now I typically don't wear one and am not feeling as if I /should/
wear one, I can say quite honestly that I am *more* comfortable now than
I was before. My helmet is only actively uncomfortable if I'm sweating
(and if you ride up a 150m climb on a hot day, and I do because that's
how high the passes through the Sidlaws /are/, then you /will/ be
sweating), but even if I'm not sweating it's a box with a chin strap,
and I'd sooner not be wearing a box with a chin strap.

My helmet is not uncomfortable. Check.
My cycling cap is /more/ comfortable than my helmet. Check.

Pete.
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Let me re-emphasise, comfort is a relative thing and one where context
must be taken into account. Note how it's seen as perfectly reasonable
to hear something like, "after breaking both legs he was airlifted to
hospital, where his condition is described as 'comfortable'"!

Let me re-emphasise. My helmet is not uncomfortable. Having broken a leg, gone
through childbirth with complications, had a hysterectomy with complications,
suffered chronic migraines where I was virtually bedridden with pain for almost
a year, I well understand the medical definition of "comfortable". I don't mind
wearing a helmet when cycling in any way - it is not uncomfortable on my head:
it is comfortable on my head (and not the medical definition of comfortable
either). YMMV - choose to wear one or not, but at least don't treat those of us
who choose to wear one and don't find it uncomfortable as if we are in some way
mentally deficient and just need to be enlightened about levels of comfort ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

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helmets are still optional
(for now) for time trials run under CTT rules & regs.

For adults, yes, but for the under 18s they are compulsory.

But looking at today's start sheets its almost only those of advancing
hairlines who ride TTs ;-)

John B

I find a bra uncomfortable, especially for extended periods.

I wear one when I go out, sometimes.
I didn't previously find it uncomfortable.
I've had professional fitting and still find it uncomfortable.

Thankfully nobody is trying to mandate I should wear one. (Or to push
the 'One or two sizes/shapes fit all' dogma everywhere)

YMMV

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

either). YMMV - choose to wear one or not, but at least don't treat those of us
who choose to wear one and don't find it uncomfortable as if we are in some way
mentally deficient and just need to be enlightened about levels of comfort ;-)

Compare and contrast the matter of cycling shorts. Lots of people say
they're not uncomfortable cycling in normal trousers, and there's no
reason to doubt they're being truthful, yet you always change into
padded shorts because you find them /more/ comfortable. Are people with
no experience of padded shorts are in a good position to decide whether
or not they might be /more/ comfortable in them? How much cycling have
you done in a cotton cap or bare headed to compare it with a lid since
you got serious about cycling, and is that a good position to be sure from?

"Not uncomfortable" is not "as comfortable as reasonably possible", as
cycling shorts clearly demonstrate, and so too the case with helmets, if
only because of the snug chinstrap.

Pete.
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Gonzalez said:

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:05:04 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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Aren't they bloody uncomfortable?

I wore mine for tonight's time trial - first time in ages - and I'd
forgotten. It's a good one and it fits properly, but... Crikey, people
really ride in these things? Voluntarily? They need their heads
examined.

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I bought my helmet when I started teaching - and wore it religiously
for five years commuting to and from school to set a good example to
the children.

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However, having read this NG for the last three years and the
arguments concerning helmets, I have stopped using mine. This is to
promote cycling to the children as a safe healthy activity which needs
no special safety equipment commonly used by rock climbers, miners,
racing car drivers and motorcyclists.

Just as a major reason for needing a helmet while rock climbing is
stones dislodged by other climbers falling on your head, so a major
cause of bike accidents is tangling with other bikes. Stay well away
from other cyclists and rock climbers and you'll be a lot safer. The
same goes for racing car drivers, now I come to think of it. It's the
other racing car drivers that are the main problem.

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JohnB <[email hidden]>typed

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But looking at today's start sheets its almost only those of advancing
hairlines who ride TTs ;-)

_Advancing_ or receding?
ITWMBT!

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Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>typed

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"Not uncomfortable" is not "as comfortable as reasonably possible", as
cycling shorts clearly demonstrate, and so too the case with helmets, if
only because of the snug chinstrap.

Lots of people don't have their chinstaps 'snug'.
Less discomfort but much less protection...

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Peter Clinch said:

"Not uncomfortable" is not "as comfortable as reasonably possible", as
cycling shorts clearly demonstrate, and so too the case with helmets, if
only because of the snug chinstrap.

Come on, what's the problem with someone saying that they personally
don't find a helmet uncomfortable...? Live and let live and save your
bullets for the really bad guys 🙂

Roos

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But looking at today's start sheets its almost only those of advancing
hairlines who ride TTs ;-)

John B

140 youngsters in the GHS final. A healthy line-up. :-)

But certainly on local open events there is a shortage of youngsters, which is
a shame.

Cheers, helen s

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Tony Raven said:

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:

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He's happy to use lights,
flourescent/reflectives, and wear a helmet.

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Thread running on the Cambridge Cycling Campaign newsgroup at the moment
triggered by an anecdotal observation by a cyclist who found he had far
more close calls wearing a fluorescent jacket than not. Response has
been overwhelmingly to confirm that experience. Lots of speculation as
to why that might be.

As a new motorycyclist afflicted by SMIDSY car drivers I went the
usual route of ever more garish clothing, more powerful lights, etc.,
but it didn't seem to make any difference. Then I discovered the
research on attentional blindness, and the research showing that the
only kind of clothing that made you safer was clothing that made you
look like a policeman. So I completely gave up on trying to look
conspicuous, and reverted to the old practical grubby greasy black
look of bike and me, and riding as though I were invisible to car
drivers.

To my surprise I seemed to collect a lot less near-incidents. I
decided that a sufficient minority of car drivers were hostile to
bikers that *not* being noticed was actually a positive safety factor
-- you have to have *good* silencers and be careful with the throttle
to make this work, by the way. Stealth biking.

If you're part of a despised minority, inconspicuous is safer.

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Come on, what's the problem with someone saying that they personally
don't find a helmet uncomfortable...? Live and let live and save your
bullets for the really bad guys 🙂

Roos

Quite. I choose to wear one, I don't find it uncomfortable in any way. If
someone else is different, so be it. Their head, their choice. I'm not forcing
anyone to wear one and I don't think that if someone does find one
uncomfortable, then they are lacking in mental ability to understand comfort
:-)

Cheers, helen s

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Compare and contrast the matter of cycling shorts. Lots of people say
they're not uncomfortable cycling in normal trousers, and there's no
reason to doubt they're being truthful, yet you always change into
padded shorts because you find them /more/ comfortable. Are people with
no experience of padded shorts are in a good position to decide whether
or not they might be /more/ comfortable in them? How much cycling have
you done in a cotton cap or bare headed to compare it with a lid since
you got serious about cycling, and is that a good position to be sure from?

"Not uncomfortable" is not "as comfortable as reasonably possible", as
cycling shorts clearly demonstrate, and so too the case with helmets, if
only because of the snug chinstrap.

Pete.

Pete, sweetie...

Just because I find wearing a helmet, cycling shorts, fluorescent Lycra,
comfortable/not uncomfortable, I'm not going to make out that someone else
should have exactly the same experience as me. Nor am I going to try to make
out that they are somehow mentally deficient if they happen to have that
different experience. Nor am I going to niggle & wheedle about my definition of
comfort being better than theirs and if only they'd agree with me, they'd know
I'm right ;-)

Let me reiterate, I am comfortable wearing a cycle helmet. I am not
uncomfortable wearing a cycle helmet. YMMV and I respect that, now can I ask
that you simply respect that I understand whether or not *I* am comfortable?

Cheers, helen s

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

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But looking at today's start sheets its almost only those of advancing
hairlines who ride TTs ;-)

John B

140 youngsters in the GHS final. A healthy line-up. :-)

But certainly on local open events there is a shortage of youngsters,
which is
a shame.

It's happening in a lot of sports. I both fell race and orienteer and both
of those sports have an aging population. A recent local fell race with 60
entrants had one male under 40. He didn't even win. It would seem that its
not an image problem with the individual sports but just that there are
many more things to do these days if you are young and active.

Colin

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It's happening in a lot of sports. I both fell race and orienteer and both
of those sports have an aging population. A recent local fell race with 60
entrants had one male under 40. He didn't even win. It would seem that its
not an image problem with the individual sports but just that there are
many more things to do these days if you are young and active.

Colin

I agree. Lots of other things such as TV, computer games, homework (it's
frightening the amount Nathan is getting so early in his A-level courses!),
other sports... That and a seasoning of parents who are totally overprotective
about their offspring doing any sort of outside activity, as life outside is
Far Too Dangerous these days. I know, I could easily be such a parent myself -
motherhood has a strong instinct to wrap the offspring in cottonwool - but I
also know it means letting them grow up and gain the skills to be confident
adults with the skills to deal with what life throws at anyone on a daily
basis. Sigh... parents, who'd be one ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

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But looking at today's start sheets its almost only those of advancing
hairlines who ride TTs ;-)

John B

140 youngsters in the GHS final. A healthy line-up. :-)

Do you know many entered the competition?

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But certainly on local open events there is a shortage of youngsters, which is
a shame.

Or sensible depending on POV.

John B

"dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Let me reiterate, I am comfortable wearing a cycle helmet. I am not
uncomfortable wearing a cycle helmet. YMMV and I respect that, now can I

ask

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that you simply respect that I understand whether or not *I* am

comfortable?

Helen - Just a wee question - how much helmetless riding have you done in
recent years?

cheers,
clive

Roos Eisma said:

Come on, what's the problem with someone saying that they personally
don't find a helmet uncomfortable...?

Nothing at all, I'm not disputing it, I'm trying to clarify terminology.
That's it.

I'm saying (or trying...) one should realise that the term "not
uncomfortable" is not an absolute term that means the same thing to
everyone reading it or saying it. So I think Helen is getting upset at
reading her difinition into other people's words that are not meant to
be the same thing.

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Live and let live and save your bullets for the really bad guys 🙂

No bullets here, though!

Pete.
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Roos Eisma said:

Live and let live and save your
bullets for the really bad guys 🙂

^^^^^^^

ITYM paving slabs ;-)

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