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"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Aren't they bloody uncomfortable?

I wore mine for tonight's time trial - first time in ages - and I'd
forgotten. It's a good one and it fits properly, but... Crikey, people
really ride in these things? Voluntarily? They need their heads
examined.

Hate them myself. I do a thousand miles a quarter and haven't needed one
yet. Occasionaly I turn off my headphones 😉

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Aren't they bloody uncomfortable?

Not for me

Quoted message said:

I wore mine for tonight's time trial - first time in ages - and I'd
forgotten. It's a good one and it fits properly,

then it should not be uncomfortable!

Quoted message said:

but... Crikey, people
really ride in these things? Voluntarily? They need their heads
examined.

No, just that everyone has their own opinon. You can choose to not wear one
and I can choose to wear one and we should respect each other's choice
rather than have a go at those who don't agree with yours.

I choose to wear a helmet but I totally oppose any compulsion to make anyone
else wear one.

Woody

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:05:04 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Aren't they bloody uncomfortable?

I thought these bu**ers were compulsory. It's a Trek Vapor2, very
light. So when I bought a bike, I bought a helmet. Went 1/2 mile. then
cycled back home to put it back in box before proceeding any further.

Not impressed. When I have fallen, it's been my shins, knees and
elbows that have copped it. Pads in these regions would have been a
better investment.

Quoted message said:

Aren't they bloody uncomfortable?

I wore mine for tonight's time trial - first time in ages - and I'd
forgotten. It's a good one and it fits properly, but... Crikey, people
really ride in these things? Voluntarily? They need their heads
examined.

Okay Simon - you don't like them, but I like mine. No, it's not uncomfortable
either and it's not too hot. Funnily enough, Vernon doesn't find his
uncomfortable and Nathan finds his Louis Garneau TT and his Met Stradivaruis
positively *kewl*. Not everyone finds them uncomfortable. If yours is, I
suggest it isn't actually the correct one for you.

Cheers, helen s

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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:05:04 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Aren't they bloody uncomfortable?

I wore mine for tonight's time trial - first time in ages - and I'd
forgotten. It's a good one and it fits properly, but... Crikey, people
really ride in these things? Voluntarily? They need their heads
examined.

I bought my helmet when I started teaching - and wore it religiously
for five years commuting to and from school to set a good example to
the children.

However, having read this NG for the last three years and the
arguments concerning helmets, I have stopped using mine. This is to
promote cycling to the children as a safe healthy activity which needs
no special safety equipment commonly used by rock climbers, miners,
racing car drivers and motorcyclists.

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This is to
promote cycling to the children as a safe healthy activity which needs
no special safety equipment commonly used by rock climbers, miners,
racing car drivers and motorcyclists.

And on the other hand, the wearing of a helmet has not put off my son from
cycling, nor has it made him view cycling as a particularly dangerous activity.
He cycles for leisure, to commute to college & back and competitively in local
time trials. He *knows* his Met Stradivarius and his Louis Garneau helmets are
*kewl*. He knows the risks and the benefits of cycling and he loves cycling. He
knows that the wearing of a helmet does not render him invincible as he has
been taught to cycle safely and assertively by his parents and by encouragement
from members of the club we belong to. He's happy to use lights,
flourescent/reflectives, and wear a helmet. He even stops at red lights and he
doesn't cycle on the pavement as that's for little kids and he has a quite
stunning look of disdain for any adults he sees cycling on a footpath.

Cheers, helen s

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers [email hidden] opined the
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Okay Simon - you don't like them, but I like mine. No, it's not uncomfortable
either and it's not too hot.

Without wishing to drag this one into another h*lm*t flame war, how far
had you ridden without a helmet before you started wearing one?

I strongly suspect that those who have "always" worn one will consider
the discomfort to be normal and thus not register it. Those who
habitually cycle without one will notice the difference when forced to
wear one.

Quoted message said:

Funnily enough, Vernon doesn't find his
uncomfortable and Nathan finds his Louis Garneau TT and his Met Stradivaruis
positively *kewl*. Not everyone finds them uncomfortable. If yours is, I
suggest it isn't actually the correct one for you.

The correct one for me (From past experience) would basically consist of
a polystyrene hairnet. I overheat rapidly otherwise. The (already
arguable) benefits would then be so small as to make it a public gesture
rather than a practical consideration.

We seem to have a problem in this country where an individual is not
able to take full legal responsibility for their actions. It is a
problem that the climbing centres have suffered from as well. You are
asked to sign a document that shows that you understand the risks and
take responsibility for your actions and their consequences. Despite
this, people who have hurt themselves while climbing (Through no fault
of the centres) have successfully sued the centres with the aid of the
ambulance chasers. The result? Increased insurance premiums and thus
increased entry fees.

I would like to see a legal waiver that would hold up in court that
would allow a rider to opt out of helmet wearing and accept that
responsibility themselves. Until this is possible, I fail to see how
race events can allow competitors any choice.

Jon

elyob said:

Occasionaly I turn off my headphones 😉

Presumably worn to protect your ears if you fall off ;-)

Tony

"Woody" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I choose to wear a helmet but I totally oppose any compulsion to make anyone
else wear one.

Couldn't agree more - I choose to wear a helmet, but that's not
everybody's choice and nor should it be; 'each to his/her own' is the
best policy here (as opposed to one of compulsory helmets).

David E. Belcher

Ian <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:05:04 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>
wrote:

I thought these bu**ers were compulsory.

Nope. Not even for racing, in some cases; helmets are still optional
(for now) for time trials run under CTT rules & regs.

David E. Belcher

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

He's happy to use lights,
flourescent/reflectives, and wear a helmet.

Thread running on the Cambridge Cycling Campaign newsgroup at the moment
triggered by an anecdotal observation by a cyclist who found he had far
more close calls wearing a fluorescent jacket than not. Response has
been overwhelmingly to confirm that experience. Lots of speculation as
to why that might be.

Tony

Quoted message said:

Without wishing to drag this one into another h*lm*t flame war, how far
had you ridden without a helmet before you started wearing one?

The above has nothing whatsoever to do with my choice to wear a helmet.

Quoted message said:

I strongly suspect that those who have "always" worn one will consider
the discomfort to be normal and thus not register it. Those who
habitually cycle without one will notice the difference when forced to
wear one.

Suspect all you like. As far as my bonce is concerned, I know if something on
it is uncomfortable. Let me repeat, when I wear a helmet when cycling it is
*not* uncomfortable. Let me repeat, neither Vernon nor Nathan find it
uncomfortable.

Quoted message said:

The correct one for me (From past experience) would basically consist of
a polystyrene hairnet. I overheat rapidly otherwise. The (already
arguable) benefits would then be so small as to make it a public gesture
rather than a practical consideration.

If you choose not to wear one, that is entirely your choice. What I find mildly
amusing to mildy irritating is the view along the lines of "how can *anyone*
wear one of these hot and uncomfortable things? They must be out of their
minds!" especially when it clearly isn't being said in a funny way.

Cheers, helen s

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Couldn't agree more - I choose to wear a helmet, but that's not
everybody's choice and nor should it be; 'each to his/her own' is the
best policy here (as opposed to one of compulsory helmets).

Quite and a bit less of the patronising [censored] towards those of us who do
choose to wear a helmet wouldn't go amiss either :-)

Cheers, helen s

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helmets are still optional
(for now) for time trials run under CTT rules & regs.

For adults, yes, but for the under 18s they are compulsory.

Cheers, helen s

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Tony Raven said:

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

He's happy to use lights,
flourescent/reflectives, and wear a helmet.

Thread running on the Cambridge Cycling Campaign newsgroup at the moment
triggered by an anecdotal observation by a cyclist who found he had far
more close calls wearing a fluorescent jacket than not. Response has
been overwhelmingly to confirm that experience. Lots of speculation as
to why that might be.

Hmm.. seeing as I normally ride into work in a fluo bike jacket, I'm
beginning to wonder..

I had some dozy *** start to pull out on me this morning. I'm doing about 25
down hill, middle of the lane and the road is damp. He looks through me, I
recognise the vacant look and start to brake, he moves when I am about 10m
away, I brake hard, shout loud enough for most of Dundee to hear (Pete, that
was the loud shout at just gone 8am) and manage to slide the back wheel a
bit as the front takes most of the braking load. Fortunately the driver
stopped before I could make up my mind whether to hit him sideways or head
on so I went round the front.

Was he dazzled by my dirty yellow coat on a drizzly day, or was it a
SMIWL...

...d

Jon Senior jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk said:

I strongly suspect that those who have "always" worn one will consider
the discomfort to be normal and thus not register it. Those who
habitually cycle without one will notice the difference when forced to
wear one.

I wore one last Sunday when we were mountainbiking in Glentress. I had the
same problem as with my kayaking helmet, that when I get sweaty I get
incredibly itchy in my hair and then find myself riding with one hand
while the other hand tries to find the right hole in the helmet to scratch
the itchy spot 🙂

And I didn't fall off.

Roos

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

Okay Simon - you don't like them, but I like mine. No, it's not uncomfortable
either and it's not too hot. Funnily enough, Vernon doesn't find his
uncomfortable and Nathan finds his Louis Garneau TT and his Met Stradivaruis
positively *kewl*.

Levels of discomfort are relative. Does Nathan think his is so cool he
wears it around the house? If it's "not uncomfortable", period, then by
my reckoning one shouldn't notice it at all. "Not uncomfortable" and
"not /too/ uncomfortable" strike me as different things.

Mine isn't too uncomfortable that I didn't wear it zooming around
Glentress on the MTB last Sunday, or indeed for every trip I made on a
bike up until the not too distant past, but it's still less comfortable
than when it isn't there, so I hung it off the bars for the ride back
into Peebles, and usually have a cotton Bianchi cap as my usual cycling
headwear (and I'm sure you'll agree that that's a /much/ cooler colour
than your lid!).

Pete.
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Levels of discomfort are relative. Does Nathan think his is so cool he
wears it around the house?

Actually yes. He acquired the Met Strad last night - a present for doing well
in his GCSEs - it had to be prised from his head before going to bed. It was on
top of his bonce as he set off this morning to cycle to college, complete with
him wearing CSC long-sleeved jersey with CSC short-sleeved jersey underneath.
No doubt he can dream about being in the peloton as he cycles along. Teenagers
are a strange breed, aren't they;-.

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If it's "not uncomfortable", period, then by
my reckoning one shouldn't notice it at all.

Quite. It's *not* uncomfortable.Why should it appear to be strange to find that
some people actually don't find the wearing of a helmet uncomfortable, too hot,
too sweaty??

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"Not uncomfortable" and
"not /too/ uncomfortable" strike me as different things.

Let me repeat - mine is not uncomfortable. YMMV :-)

Cheers, helen s

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Woody said:

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Aren't they bloody uncomfortable?

Not for me

I used to think so too until I started riding without one more of the time.
And then I realised that actually they are bloody uncomfortable ;-)

Guy
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