HAC4 Problems

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When I got home, in order to ensure that the software
worked I did a download. So I am again back at square one
since I started into problems. As soon as I finished the
download from the head unit to my PC the HACTronic
software hung. So, I lost the data, but a bigger issue is
the hang. I went out to the Veltec website and followed
the link to the downloadable stuff. I unistalled all of
the older versions (1.5 build 40) and installed v1.51
build 50 I also unstalled the drivers and downloaded and
reinstalled the "newer" drivers from the download site, to
no avail. It now hangs up with Trainer, Tour and
HACTronic. I am running XP.

Paul: Are you using the serial interface for downloading, or
the newer USB? The reason I ask is because you mentioned
newer "drivers" and, as far as I know, there are no
"drivers" involved with serial-port operation.

And when you say the software "hung", what did it take to
recover? Were you able to safely kill the application from
the control-alt-delete (task manager) box?

I use the HAC-4 with Windows XP, using a serial port, and
have had no downloading issues or software hangs... at least
not yet! And my computer is so loaded with software &
drivers dating all the way back to Win 3.1 that it's amazing
anything works.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
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"Paul Hartigan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I need some big time help with my HAC4. I got it back in
early Feb and had nothing but problems. First it was the
software (returned it to Veltec for a new set), then the
head unit read 168 degrees F, then on the next head unit
the stopwatch button did not work. I am on my third head
unit and I just went out for my first ride with everything
reconnected and what I thought was working.

When I got home, in order to ensure that the software
worked I did a download. So I am again back at square one
since I started into problems. As soon as I finished the
download from the head unit to my PC the HACTronic
software hung. So, I lost the data, but a bigger issue is
the hang. I went out to the Veltec website and followed
the link to the downloadable stuff. I unistalled all of
the older versions (1.5 build 40) and installed v1.51
build 50 I also unstalled the drivers and downloaded and
reinstalled the "newer" drivers from the download site, to
no avail. It now hangs up with Trainer, Tour and
HACTronic. I am running XP.

Can anybody help me???

Thanks,

Paul

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I use the HAC-4 with Windows XP, using a serial port,
and have had no

downloading issues or software hangs... at least not yet!
And my computer is so loaded with software & drivers
dating all the way back to Win 3.1

that

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it's amazing anything works.

Let me make sure that I am reading this correctly. You are
running XP on a computer that originally shipped with
Windows 3.1? Or you running applications designed in the Win
3.1 era on an XP machine?

Bomb

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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I use the HAC-4 with Windows XP, using a serial port,
> and have had no

downloading issues or software hangs... at least not yet!
And my computer is so loaded with software & drivers
dating all the way back to Win 3.1

that

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it's amazing anything works.

Let me make sure that I am reading this correctly. You are
running XP on a computer that originally shipped with
Windows 3.1? Or you running applications designed in the
Win 3.1 era on an XP machine?

I think he's implying that his serial migrations along the
way have not been accomplished by system replacement that
involved package reinstallation and data file restoration,
but rather by complete disk contents preservation at each
upgrade. I have seen systems like that, which have Win3.x
legacy stuff lurking on them despite the absence of whatever
the file used to support. There is a system on the house
network here which is among them. It's more amusing to
discover such anachronisms on an XP system, of course, since
3.x-native code won't run there.

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e-mail. Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature. Words
processed in a facility that contains nuts.

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I think he's implying that his serial migrations along the
way have not been accomplished by system replacement that
involved package reinstallation and data file restoration,
but rather by complete disk contents preservation at each
upgrade. I have seen systems like that, which have Win3.x
legacy stuff lurking on them despite the absence of
whatever the file used to support. There is a system on
the house network here which is among them. It's more
amusing to discover such anachronisms on an XP system, of
course, since 3.x-native code won't run there.

You are essentially correct. It's actually worse than I
originally stated; my windows directory is actually
c:/winword. You have to have been around for a very long
time to understand what *that* means! And for those who
haven't, it means that my original copy of Microsoft Word
installed a windows runtime in that directory. That's
prior to Windows 3.1 by a fair amount. My first "real"
copy of Windows was 3.0 (I never messed with the stuff
prior to that).

So, I started with a very-expensive 10meg hard drive, which
had its contents cloned to a successive drive, which begat
yet another, and another, and another... a long, unbroken
line of succession. Assuming I clone the current drive prior
to failure, it will continue yet again.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
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have said:

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> > I use the HAC-4 with Windows XP, using a serial
> > port, and have had

no

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downloading issues or software hangs... at least not
yet! And my

computer

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is so loaded with software & drivers dating all the way
back to Win 3.1

that

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it's amazing anything works.

Let me make sure that I am reading this correctly. You
are running XP on

a

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computer that originally shipped with Windows 3.1? Or you
running applications designed in the Win 3.1 era on an XP
machine?

I think he's implying that his serial migrations along the
way have not been accomplished by system replacement that
involved package reinstallation and data file restoration,
but rather by complete disk contents preservation at each
upgrade. I have seen systems like that, which have Win3.x
legacy stuff lurking on them despite the absence of
whatever the file used to support. There is a system on
the house network here which is among them. It's more
amusing to discover such anachronisms on an XP system, of
course, since 3.x-native code won't run there.

--
My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying
via e-mail. Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature. Words
processed in a facility that contains nuts.

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computer that originally shipped with Windows 3.1? Or you
running applications designed in the Win 3.1 era on an XP
machine?

Like someone said some times ago, windows=shimano. You like
Campy, get Linux!

(but don't ask me where to download the next free Record or
Chorus upgrade)

:-)

Francesco

On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:36:16 +0200, Francesco Devittori

frenkatfrenkdtcm may have said:

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>computer that originally shipped with Windows 3.1? Or
>you running applications designed in the Win 3.1 era on
>an XP machine?

Like someone said some times ago, windows=shimano. You like
Campy, get Linux!

If Windows really equalled Shimano, at least the high-end
versions would work properly.

Windows = Walmart bikes. Linux = LBS. I won't try to find a
corresponding match for Mac, because it would be a matter of
religious opinion.

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e-mail. Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature. Words
processed in a facility that contains nuts.

Werehatrack said:

... Windows = Walmart bikes. Linux = LBS. I won't try to
find a corresponding match for Mac, because it would be a
matter of religious opinion.

Campagnolo is a religion for certain rec.bicycles.tech
regulars. 😉

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

David Reuteler said:

John Dacey said:

Thanks to the experience with my Kaypro, I was blissfully
unencumbered by the temptation to own a computer of any
kind for the period of 1986 to 1996.

i consider it a blessing you weren't introduced to
computing w/ a TRS-80 Model 1 or you surely wouldn't be
gracing us with your presence now.

Actually, the first computer I ever used was a "Trash 80"
Model 1 that my middle school purchased c 1981.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Tom Sherman said:

Actually, the first computer I ever used was a "Trash 80"
Model 1 that my middle school purchased c 1981.

colour me impressed. mine was an imsai 8080

obsoletecomputermuseum.orgimsaiOpen ↗

all those blinky lights (as featured in War Games) couldn't
help but draw you in.
--
david reuteler [email hidden]

David Reuteler said:

Tom Sherman said:

Actually, the first computer I ever used was a "Trash
80" Model 1 that my middle school purchased c 1981.

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colour me impressed. mine was an imsai 8080

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obsoletecomputermuseum.orgimsaiOpen ↗

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all those blinky lights (as featured in War Games)
couldn't help but draw you in.

Hah. I was once _paid_ to program an Apple Lisa. Running a
MacOS emulator, mind you. In a language that was basically
object oriented Forth.

That was like the Cambio Corsa derailleur of computing
weenieness. They just do not make anything that weird
anymore. The world is a more sensible, but arguably poorer,
place for it.

Benjamin Weiner said:

That was like the Cambio Corsa derailleur of computing
weenieness. They just do not make anything that weird
anymore. The world is a more sensible, but arguably
poorer, place for it.

books.cambridge.org0521524083.htmOpen ↗

i lost my cookies on that one.
--
david reuteler [email hidden]

Captain's log. On StarDate Mon, 24 May 2004 14:48:46 GMT received comm from
Werehatrack <[email hidden]> on channel rec.bicycles.tech:

[ snip on a very interesting and long lived system ]

: network here which is among them. It's more amusing to
: discover such anachronisms on an XP system, of course,
: since 3.x-native code won't run there.

Most Win 3.x applications runs just fine on XP, and even a
lot of smaller Win
1.x and Win 2.x applications runs just fine.

What your thinking about is probably the IA-64 version of XP
(64-bit Windows systems doesn't support the WoW - Windows on
Windows 16-32 bit emulation and thinking layer).

Normal IA-32 (32-bit Intel) versions however is no problem
(generally; you can always come across exceptions to the
rules as normal).

For some amusement (and perhaps nostalgia for some) I bring
you screen dumps of the "fantastic" calc.exe from Windows
1.0 and 2.0 executing on my normal XP (IA-32) system. :-)

Win 1.x: www10.brinkster.comWindows%201.0%20CalOpen ↗
culator.JPG www10.brinkster.comAbout%20Windows%Open ↗
201.0%20Calculator.JPG Win 2.x: www10.brinkster.comwww10.brinkster.comOpen ↗
mnx/Windows%202.0%20Calculator.JPG www10.brinkster.c-www10.brinkster.c-Open ↗
om/mnx/About%20Windows%202.0%20Calculator.JPG

Best regards,

martin törnsten

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Martin Törnsten said:

Most Win 3.x applications runs just fine on XP, and even a
lot of smaller Win
1.x and Win 2.x applications runs just fine.

My venerable old WordPerfect 4.2 (DOS, 5.25 floppy originals
since converted to 3.5) didn't work in XP; ran fine in 98.

Bill "dragged kicking and screaming into the '90s" S.

PS: Dot-matrix printer still going strong, at least

Martin Törnsten said:

Win 1.x: www10.brinkster.comAbout%20Windows%20Open ↗
1.0%20Calculator.JPG

Wow...the dialog box looks the same as they do now.

Oldest version of Windows I ever dealt with was a 2.x...it
came as a shell for an early CD-ROM encyclopedia program.
--
Rick Onanian

S o r n i said:

Martin Törnsten said:

Most Win 3.x applications runs just fine on XP, and even
a lot of smaller Win 1.x and Win 2.x applications runs
just fine.

My venerable old WordPerfect 4.2 (DOS, 5.25 floppy
originals since converted to 3.5) didn't work in XP; ran
fine in 98.

DOS programs, for some reason, have lots of trouble. I have
a client who has been hanging on to an old DOS program off
of which he runs his business...

Try dosbox: sourceforge.netdosboxOpen ↗ . It
takes some tweaking; runs either too slow or too fast
depending on settings, and has some screen refresh
weirdness.

Quoted message said:

PS: Dot-matrix printer still going strong, at least

Dot-matrix printers won't disappear as long as multi-part
forms are necessary. I believe they're still being produced
[by Okidata?].
--
Rick Onanian

Rick Onanian said:

On Sat, 29 May 2004 02:45:35 GMT, "S o r n i" <sorni@bite-

me.san.rr.com said:

Martin Törnsten said:

Most Win 3.x applications runs just fine on XP, and even
a lot of smaller Win 1.x and Win 2.x applications runs
just fine.

My venerable old WordPerfect 4.2 (DOS, 5.25 floppy
originals since converted to 3.5) didn't work in XP; ran
fine in 98.

DOS programs, for some reason, have lots of trouble. I
have a client who has been hanging on to an old DOS
program off of which he runs his business...

Unfortunately, my entire life fit on one freaking floppy
disk! All the WP program files, scripts, invoices,
labels, etc.

Quoted message said:

Try dosbox: sourceforge.netdosboxOpen ↗ . It
takes some tweaking; runs either too slow or too fast
depending on settings, and has some screen refresh
weirdness.

Thanks, but too late. When I bought the new machine I
finally bit the mouse pad and started from scratch with
Word. (Ironically, I ordered the computer with a new version
of WordPrefect {sic}, but it wouldn't recognize/convert my
old WP files, so I dug out an old copy of Office that I'd
never used before.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

PS: Dot-matrix printer still going strong, at least

Dot-matrix printers won't disappear as long as multi-part
forms are necessary. I believe they're still being
produced [by Okidata?].

Old Epson FX died a few years ago; some guy just GAVE me a
dusty Panasonic he wasn't using, and so far it's worked well
(albeit SLOW!).

Wouldn't kill me to switch to a cheap ink- or bubble-jet, I
suppose, as I don't /really/ need to use tractor-fed paper.

Bill "anyone still awake out there?" S.

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Rick Onanian said:

On Sat, 29 May 2004 02:45:35 GMT, "S o r n i" <sorni@bite-

me.san.rr.com said:

Martin Törnsten wrote:
> Most Win 3.x applications runs just fine on XP, and
> even a lot of smaller Win 1.x and Win 2.x applications
> runs just fine.

My venerable old WordPerfect 4.2 (DOS, 5.25 floppy
originals since converted to 3.5) didn't work in XP;
ran fine in 98.

DOS programs, for some reason, have lots of trouble. I
have a client who has been hanging on to an old DOS
program off of which he runs his business...

Unfortunately, my entire life fit on one freaking floppy
disk! All the WP program files, scripts, invoices,
labels, etc.

Quoted message said:

Try dosbox: sourceforge.netdosboxOpen ↗ . It
takes some tweaking; runs either too slow or too fast
depending on settings, and has some screen refresh
weirdness.

Thanks, but too late. When I bought the new machine I
finally bit the

mouse

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pad and started from scratch with Word. (Ironically, I
ordered the

computer

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with a new version of WordPrefect {sic}, but it wouldn't
recognize/convert my old WP files, so I dug out an old
copy of Office that I'd never used before.)

When I was in Vegas the other week we were using rented
computers and we were having a problem running WordPerfect
5.0 which our writers love. We forced the guys to use Word
and one of the guys would call me over every 20 minutes
because he would do some key stroke from WordPerfect that
would turn on some bizarre feature of Word. It got easier as
the week progressed but each time he did a new one it would
take me awhile to figure out how to turn off the feature. It
was particularly stressful when he needed to print out a
joke for rehearsal, like NOW. I think my IT cohort at the
show upgraded them to the latest Windows version of WP after
we got back.

Greg

Rick Onanian said:

On Sat, 29 May 2004 02:45:35 GMT, "S o r n i" <sorni@bite-

me.san.rr.com said:

Martin Törnsten said:

Most Win 3.x applications runs just fine on XP, and even
a lot of smaller Win 1.x and Win 2.x applications runs
just fine.

My venerable old WordPerfect 4.2 (DOS, 5.25 floppy
originals since converted to 3.5) didn't work in XP; ran
fine in 98.

DOS programs, for some reason, have lots of trouble. I have
a client who has been hanging on to an old DOS program off
of which he runs his business...

Try dosbox: sourceforge.netdosboxOpen ↗ . It
takes some tweaking; runs either too slow or too fast
depending on settings, and has some screen refresh
weirdness.

Quoted message said:

PS: Dot-matrix printer still going strong, at least

Dot-matrix printers won't disappear as long as multi-part
forms are necessary. I believe they're still being produced
[by Okidata?].

Dear Rick,

About a dozen models at www.okidata.com if you click on
products and then impact printers.

Darned useful for spitting out mailing labels a few at a
time, too, with information to paste onto file folders.

Carl Fogel

Captain's log. On StarDate Sat, 29 May 2004 04:37:11 +0200 received comm from
Martin Törnsten <[email hidden]> on channel rec.bicycles.tech:

: systems doesn't support the WoW - Windows on Windows 16-32
: bit emulation and thinking layer).

Should have been "thunking"...

Best regards,

martin törnsten

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