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  1. Pete Biggs <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : ps. In any case, a lot of bike theives have been quite ignorant. They
    : normally home in on weaker locks and use brute force. Frankly, I'd rather
    : lock picking information wasn't publicised. Most locks can be picked one
    : way or another.

    The old "security through obscurity" argument.

    At least in Computer Security this argument has been had, and firmly decided
    on the idea that it's better to release the information so that things
    actually get fixed.

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  2. On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:51:47 +0100, "Pete Biggs"
    <[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:
    Paul M said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I may be shooting myself in the foot by posting this here as I have
    > 2 kryptonite locks, but I figure the bike thieves are probably
    > likely to know how to do this anyway so it's better that us honest
    > folk do too.

    There are plenty of people between the categories of regular bicycle
    thieves and honest folk. Mr Slightly Bent and Mischievous Kid are
    the ones we have to be worried about *now* the Krypto info is being
    widely publicised. I've probably got to buy a new lock because of
    this (if Kryptonite-4 is vulnerable?).


    No, if you have to replace the lock it's because the lock is
    vulnerable to being picked, not because you know about it. Do you
    think this is the only way that this knowledge could spread?

    I think it's the way knowledge spreads to the masses and it's the masses
    I'm most worried about. Only a few knew of the method before, now many
    more people do, hence the increased risk.

    Quoted message said:

    That
    'Mischievous Kids' never share information amongst themselves that
    they keep from adults?

    I don't think enough mischievous kids come into contact with hardcore
    bicycle theives for that knowledge to get a hold. Mischevious = "playful
    or naughty". I'm not referring to more serious trouble makers, merely the
    average kid on the street.

    Quoted message said:

    Remember its alleged that Kryptonite have known about this since 1993.
    If this is true then that is 11 years when bikes could and have been
    stolen because this

    Exactly. Kryptonite locks were not picked in large numbers, indicating
    the knowledge was only held by a select few. I've used my lock for over
    fifteen years without getting it picked. Now I think I shoud change it
    because every Tom, [censored] and Harry knows how to pick it, or soon will, if
    the information is correct.....

    In 1992, it was broadcast on BBC1.

    This time round, it's been shown on a personal web-site, and discussed
    in cycling news groups.

    I'm not sure that this time it is reaching more yoof.

    Quoted message said:

    I do accept the other explaination as to why the knowledge wasn't
    wide-spread might be valid: that the method doesn't work! Or that only
    very few pens on the market work. (I haven't found one that fits my lock
    yet).

    ~PB

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  3. Arthur Clune [email hidden] opined the following...

    Quoted message said:

    The old "security through obscurity" argument.

    At least in Computer Security this argument has been had, and firmly decided
    on the idea that it's better to release the information so that things
    actually get fixed.

    But that couldn't possibly work. I mean, Microsoft don't release any
    information at all and it's not like they've had many security issues
    recently... er...

    Jon

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