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  1. http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/AAA_CAS%20Decision%20-%20Hamilton.pdf

    Crit Poser

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    http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/AAA_CAS%20Decision%20-%20Hamilton.pdf

    After reading the proceedings, I whole-heartedly agree with the arbitrator
    who dissented.

    Andy Coggan

  3. Please elaborate on your specific objections. Personally, I thought the
    discussion around the quantitative nature of the test, the lower limits
    of detection, and the data on which the lower levels was determined
    were suspect.

  4. I'd have to say, it looks to have failed the 'smell' test.

    Considering the "I'll know it when I see it" standard of pass/fail, I'm
    surprised they even bothered to hear the case, much less rule against
    Tyler.

    When you consider that they'd been in contact w/Tyler all summer and
    had warned him of blood irregularities, it seems so unlikely that he'd
    actually flaunt it by going ahead w/ monthly 100cc booster transfusions
    (as one expert alleged it looked like he must have done).

    Looks like he got screwed.

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    I'd have to say, it looks to have failed the 'smell' test.

    Considering the "I'll know it when I see it" standard of pass/fail, I'm
    surprised they even bothered to hear the case, much less rule against
    Tyler.

    When you consider that they'd been in contact w/Tyler all summer and
    had warned him of blood irregularities, it seems so unlikely that he'd
    actually flaunt it by going ahead w/ monthly 100cc booster transfusions
    (as one expert alleged it looked like he must have done).

    Unless he was doing autologous along with Santi and they got the bags mixed
    up.

  6. The following statement on page 8 seems objectionable:

    "There is no risk of a false positive and no need to do so called
    validation studies."

    Quoted message said:

    Please elaborate on your specific objections. Personally, I thought


    the

    Quoted message said:

    discussion around the quantitative nature of the test, the lower


    limits

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    of detection, and the data on which the lower levels was determined
    were suspect.

  7. "MagillaGorilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    WRONG. The parties agreed that the test confirmed that RBC's camed from
    mixed populations of RBC,s but disagreed on >the source of that population.

    Not quite. The claim that he was/is a chimera admits to a human source for
    the mixed RBC population.

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    b. His own blood tests before and after the Vuelta showed an absence of
    homologous transfusion.
    CORRECT. This could be interpreted as proof that the UCI/WADA test can
    yield a false positive.

    No. It's about identification above "noise" level.

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    c. The claim that he is a chimera fell apart when it became clear how few
    human chimeras there are (1 chimera out of millions of Red Cross blood
    donor
    blood typing).
    CORRECT but MISLEADING. Tyler has no idea why he tested positive. His
    experts and legal team told him that his best >bet was to go for the
    chimera argument. But the dissenting opinion by Chris Campbell clearly
    shows that Campbell did not >limit his opposition to USADA's case by the
    chimera argument.

    Tyler knows exactly why he tested positive. Catagorize Campbell's decision
    any way you like.

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    d. Claiming to be an on again, off again chimera was so far fetched as to
    be
    ludicrous.

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    Tyler and his counsel made a mistake in that they should not have felt
    obligated to explain why the test yields a false >positive. In using the
    chimera argument, they painted themselves into a corner. However
    arbitrator Campbell did the right >thing by not limiting his dissent to
    that explanation. All the chimera defense proves is Hamilton's defense
    appears to have >made a strategic mistake in trying to explain something
    they cannot explain. This does not mean the test is valid.

    A mistake--no. Jacobs did a very good job of erecting smoke and mirrors.
    Hats off to him for getting one arbitrator to bite. Now it's on to
    Switzerland. Does Tyler know how to yodel?

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,
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    http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/AAA_CAS%20Decision
    %20-%20Hamilton.pdf

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    After reading the proceedings, I whole-heartedly agree with the arbitrator
    who dissented.

    Me three. 🙂
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    Alex

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