hand pump recommendation

bobdobbs said:

seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

Topeak make a range of nice little pumps and have stellar customer
service if you need small parts or warranty replacement.

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bobdobbs said:

seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

There are no good pumps like that. There is a range from poor to awful
to choose from. Keep your frame pump.

bobdobbs said:

seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

I agree with both other responders, in that Topeak's pumps have been
fine for me (I've got a Mountain Morph), and also that the small pumps
are never as good as frame pumps from the perspective of pumping
performance. If it's size or weight that you want to reduce, you might
consider a pump that's "in between" a frame pump and one of the small,
light, but poor-functioning models. The Topeak Mini Morph might be
worth considering. It's not clear what you mean by "rear pack", but
the Mini Morph should fit if you use a traditional saddlebag rather
than a tiny "seat wedge" that barely holds a wallet and patch kit, let
alone food, clothing, and camera. (If you don't already use a
saddlebag, I highly recommend them. To me, the extra weight is well
worth the carrying capacity, and since mine is narrower than my body I
doubt it contributes significant drag.)

Stephen Greenwood

On Jan 13, 4:39 pm, Stephen Greenwood <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

bobdobbs said:

seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

I agree with both other responders, in that Topeak's pumps have been
fine for me (I've got a Mountain Morph), and also that the small pumps
are never as good as frame pumps from the perspective of pumping
performance.

Nope, but they're small! I've not had a single flat since I sold a
city bike that had those terrible WTB Slickasaurus tires a year and a
half ago. I only use my tiny Topeak to top up the city bike's Schrader
valves as the floor pump is presta only. If and when I do flat, an
extra couple minutes churning away with the Topeak isn't the end of
the world. If you actually do get a good number of flats, indeed stick
with a frame pump like a classic Zefal HP series

bobdobbs said:

seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

Topeak Pocket Rocket + a CO2 inflator.

~PB

Tim McNamara said:

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bobdobbs said:

seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

There are no good pumps like that. There is a range from poor to awful
to choose from. Keep your frame pump.

I wouldn't say they're "terrible." Slower maybe. My Barbieri CarbOne
works to over 120psi, if you want to keep pumping that long. Otherwise, a
couple hundred strokes does the job just fine.

Matt O.

bobdobbs said:

seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

I use a Topeak Road Morph (with inline gauge) as a spare pump, which I
keep at work. Here is a link to 21 reviews, which are generally
favorable http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Pump/product_86619.shtml .

My primary (floor) pump is at home, which I use 99% of the time. I
would not even think about giving up my floor pump. If it were to
break, I would buy another one right away.

I inflate 20" tires to 90psi. The first 70lbs is not too bad, but the
last 20lbs is not easy or quick. If the alternative is walking, I
would use the pump. I am thinking about buying another floor pump for
the office, so I never need to use the Topeak.

I have never used any other mini pump, but it sounds like Topeak is
the best of the bunch. So I guess the others are real junk.

The inline gauge is not very accurate, and you need to have eagle
vision to read it at all.

This pump might be too big - here are the specs:

http://www.topeak.com/t8/products/minipumps/roadmorphg.php

I rarely get flats on the road, since I have been using Schwalbe
Marathon Plus tires.

J.

bobdobbs said:

seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

My recommendation is to stay with the frame pump.
FP's way better than a minipump.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:35:24 -0800 (PST), Jay <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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Quoted message said:

I have never used any other mini pump, but it sounds like Topeak is
the best of the bunch. So I guess the others are real junk.

Topeak pumps are good, but there are others. SKS also have a range of
excellent pumps. This one, for example:

<http://www.sks-germany.com/sks.php?l=en&a=product&i=1371259900>

is designed for road bikes and will pump to 10 bars (144psi).

Tim McNamara said:

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<[email hidden]>,

bobdobbs said:

seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

There are no good pumps like that. There is a range from poor to awful
to choose from. Keep your frame pump.

Not so. Topeak Road Morph is much better than any frame pump. Even
includes a gauge. Use it like a floor pump, and it is easy to pump
tires to 120psi or more.

--

David L. Johnson

What is objectionable, and what is dangerous about extremists is not
that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant.
--Robert F. Kennedy

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Tim McNamara said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

bobdobbs said:

seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

There are no good pumps like that. There is a range from poor to awful
to choose from. Keep your frame pump.

Not so. Topeak Road Morph is much better than any frame pump. Even
includes a gauge. Use it like a floor pump, and it is easy to pump tires
to 120psi or more.

--

David L. Johnson

What is objectionable, and what is dangerous about extremists is not
that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant.
--Robert F. Kennedy

In a previous life, I was pretty good at physics / math word problems. If I
had not devolved into such a lazy slug, I believe I could 'prove' that a
well-designed floor pump provides a significant mechanical advantage, over
even the best mini pumps. Even if one uses the TRM in 'floor pump mode'. It
has to do with the volume of air being compressed per stroke. A
well-designed handle on a floor pump allows greater pressure to be applied.
The puny handle on the TRM is painful to use, at high pressures. A mini pump
needs to be both light weight and very compact. A

I do not need more than 90psi on my current bike.

The TRM is fine for what it is intended - emergency repairs on the road. Not
as a replacement for a proper floor pump.

I really think this issue is beyond rational debate.

J.

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Tim McNamara said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

bobdobbs said:

seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

There are no good pumps like that. There is a range from poor to awful
to choose from. Keep your frame pump.

Not so. Topeak Road Morph is much better than any frame pump. Even
includes a gauge. Use it like a floor pump, and it is easy to pump tires
to 120psi or more.

--

David L. Johnson

What is objectionable, and what is dangerous about extremists is not
that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant.
--Robert F. Kennedy

In a previous life, I was pretty good at physics / math word problems. If I
had not devolved into such a lazy slug, I believe I could 'prove' that a
well-designed floor pump provides a significant mechanical advantage, over
even the best mini pumps. Even if one uses the TRM in 'floor pump mode'. It
has to do with the volume of air being compressed per stroke. A
well-designed handle on a floor pump allows greater pressure to be applied.
The puny handle on the TRM is painful to use, at high pressures. A mini pump
needs to be both light weight and very compact. A floor pump does not have
these constraints.

The TRM is fine for what it is intended - emergency repairs on the road. Not
as a replacement for a proper floor pump.

I really think this issue is beyond rational debate.

J.

Jay Bollyn said:

"David L. Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Tim McNamara said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,
bobdobbs <[email hidden]> wrote:

> seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
> pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
> rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?
There are no good pumps like that. There is a range from poor to awful
to choose from. Keep your frame pump.

Not so. Topeak Road Morph is much better than any frame pump. Even
includes a gauge. Use it like a floor pump, and it is easy to pump tires
to 120psi or more.

In a previous life, I was pretty good at physics / math word problems. If I
had not devolved into such a lazy slug, I believe I could 'prove' that a
well-designed floor pump provides a significant mechanical advantage, over
even the best mini pumps. Even if one uses the TRM in 'floor pump mode'. It
has to do with the volume of air being compressed per stroke. A
well-designed handle on a floor pump allows greater pressure to be applied.
The puny handle on the TRM is painful to use, at high pressures. A mini pump
needs to be both light weight and very compact. A

I do not need more than 90psi on my current bike.

The TRM is fine for what it is intended - emergency repairs on the road. Not
as a replacement for a proper floor pump.

I really think this issue is beyond rational debate.

I interpreted David Johnson's post to mean that the Topeak Road Morph is
USED like a floor pump when inflating tires on the road, and not a
replacement for the floor pump at home - a statement I would be in full
agreement with. I would rather use a Topeak "Morph" pump than a
traditional full-size frame pump. Many others on rec.bicycle.*,
including of course, David Johnson, agree.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

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Jay Bollyn said:

"David L. Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I interpreted David Johnson's post to mean that the Topeak Road Morph is
USED like a floor pump when inflating tires on the road, and not a
replacement for the floor pump at home - a statement I would be in full
agreement with. I would rather use a Topeak "Morph" pump than a
traditional full-size frame pump. Many others on rec.bicycle.*, including
of course, David Johnson, agree.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

(please note: I am trying to snip, to maintain rec.bicycles.* harmony)

I thought our OP was thinking of going with only a mini-pump, and no floor
pump at all.

I prefer to use a floor pump. I think tires are inflated more easily with
floor pumps.

(Have I dozed off, and woken up in the bizarro world?)

J.

Jay Bollyn said:

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Jay Bollyn said:

"David L. Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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(snipped)

I interpreted David Johnson's post to mean that the Topeak Road Morph is
USED like a floor pump when inflating tires on the road, and not a
replacement for the floor pump at home - a statement I would be in full
agreement with. I would rather use a Topeak "Morph" pump than a
traditional full-size frame pump. Many others on rec.bicycle.*, including
of course, David Johnson, agree.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

(please note: I am trying to snip, to maintain rec.bicycles.* harmony)

You need to snip my signature then, as the "-- " line indicates. In
fact, a proper newsreader does that automatically.

Quoted message said:

I thought our OP was thinking of going with only a mini-pump, and no floor
pump at all.

I prefer to use a floor pump. I think tires are inflated more easily with
floor pumps.

Yes, but the floor pump is awkward to carry on the bicycle.

Quoted message said:

(Have I dozed off, and woken up in the bizarro world?)

You are posting to rec.bicycle.tech, which certainly qualifies! 😉

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

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Jay said:

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Tim McNamara said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,
bobdobbs <[email hidden]> wrote:

> seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
> pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
> rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?

There are no good pumps like that. There is a range from poor to awful
to choose from. Keep your frame pump.

Not so. Topeak Road Morph is much better than any frame pump. Even
includes a gauge. Use it like a floor pump, and it is easy to pump tires
to 120psi or more.

Quoted message said:

In a previous life, I was pretty good at physics / math word problems. If I
had not devolved into such a lazy slug, I believe I could 'prove' that a
well-designed floor pump provides a significant mechanical advantage, over
even the best mini pumps. Even if one uses the TRM in 'floor pump mode'. It
has to do with the volume of air being compressed per stroke. A
well-designed handle on a floor pump allows greater pressure to be applied.
The puny handle on the TRM is painful to use, at high pressures. A mini pump
needs to be both light weight and very compact. A

In this life, I have turned out to be pretty good at reading
comprehension tests. If I had not devolved into a lazy slug, I would
diagram the sentence where Mr. Dobbs (perhaps not "the" Bob Dobbs) says
he is looking to replace a frame pump, not a floor pump.

Quoted message said:

The TRM is fine for what it is intended - emergency repairs on the road. Not
as a replacement for a proper floor pump.

Huzzah!

Quoted message said:

I really think this issue is beyond rational debate.

I agree with you.

My own feeling has been, for some time, that with too many bikes and not
enough frame mounts for pumps, I would prefer to carry a
functional-but-slow pump that can get to 70 pounds or so at the side of
the road. The Road Morph is good and clever, though slightly larger than
the actual ridiculously tiny pump I tuck into my back pocket, or into my
saddlebag or backpack when called for.

Every 6-12 months, I curse myself to an extra five minutes at the side
of the road fixing a flat. Between those moments, I'm carrying a pump
that doesn't fall out of my back pocket, and more to the point, I'm
always carrying that pump, because it is part of my three-piece repair
kit: bag with tube, bag with patch kit and multi-tool, bike pump. All
three fit in one pocket, leaving the other two free for food and
personal effects.

It's not the only system: Jobst has only one bicycle, thus solving the
move-the-pump problem. It wouldn't be entirely crazy to commit to a pump
for each bike (though I have stuff like my CX bike where a frame pump
would cause trouble and annoyance). A road morph is a great solution for
some people.

But I know why I do what I do.

(Okay, the evil answer is that I get most of my flats on the club ride,
and my friend Kenny has a great frame pump, so my micro-pump meets the
requirement to carry such a beast, while letting me rely on Kenny's pump
for any actual reinflation.)

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Jay said:

"David L. Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Tim McNamara wrote:
> In article
> <[email hidden]>,
> bobdobbs <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> seeking recommendation for a hand pump to replace the full-size frame
>> pump I've been using, would need something that fits into a smallist
>> rear pack. recommendations/experiences/alternatives?
> There are no good pumps like that. There is a range from poor to awful
> to choose from. Keep your frame pump.
Not so. Topeak Road Morph is much better than any frame pump. Even
includes a gauge. Use it like a floor pump, and it is easy to pump tires
to 120psi or more.

Quoted message said:

In a previous life, I was pretty good at physics / math word problems. If I
had not devolved into such a lazy slug, I believe I could 'prove' that a
well-designed floor pump provides a significant mechanical advantage, over
even the best mini pumps. Even if one uses the TRM in 'floor pump mode'. It
has to do with the volume of air being compressed per stroke. A
well-designed handle on a floor pump allows greater pressure to be applied.
The puny handle on the TRM is painful to use, at high pressures. A mini pump
needs to be both light weight and very compact. A

In this life, I have turned out to be pretty good at reading
comprehension tests. If I had not devolved into a lazy slug, I would
diagram the sentence where Mr. Dobbs (perhaps not "the" Bob Dobbs) says
he is looking to replace a frame pump, not a floor pump.

Quoted message said:

The TRM is fine for what it is intended - emergency repairs on the road. Not
as a replacement for a proper floor pump.

Huzzah!

Quoted message said:

I really think this issue is beyond rational debate.

I agree with you.

My own feeling has been, for some time, that with too many bikes and not
enough frame mounts for pumps, I would prefer to carry a
functional-but-slow pump that can get to 70 pounds or so at the side of
the road. The Road Morph is good and clever, though slightly larger than
the actual ridiculously tiny pump I tuck into my back pocket, or into my
saddlebag or backpack when called for.

Every 6-12 months, I curse myself to an extra five minutes at the side
of the road fixing a flat. Between those moments, I'm carrying a pump
that doesn't fall out of my back pocket, and more to the point, I'm
always carrying that pump, because it is part of my three-piece repair
kit: bag with tube, bag with patch kit and multi-tool, bike pump. All
three fit in one pocket, leaving the other two free for food and
personal effects.

It's not the only system: Jobst has only one bicycle, thus solving the
move-the-pump problem. It wouldn't be entirely crazy to commit to a pump
for each bike (though I have stuff like my CX bike where a frame pump
would cause trouble and annoyance). A road morph is a great solution for
some people.

But I know why I do what I do.

(Okay, the evil answer is that I get most of my flats on the club ride,
and my friend Kenny has a great frame pump, so my micro-pump meets the
requirement to carry such a beast, while letting me rely on Kenny's pump
for any actual reinflation.)

I love it when the truth comes out!

I have an Genuine Innovations Road Air and a Wrench Force Mini Road on
my two road bikes that I ride. I couldn't find the Road Air when I
needed another good pump, but I see that G.I. now offers a Road Air 2,
which looks like the same thing, perhaps slightly shorter. At any rate,
both of these pumps are right at 13" (maybe 325 cm?) long, and have the
same diameter barrel (maybe 21 cm?). They'll both let me pump up to 100
psi (7+ bar) fairly quickly. Both mount under a water bottle cage.
Both cost around $20 - maybe less on the Internet.

I feel it is a good thing to have a good pump on the bike, since I ride
nearly every day, and half or more of the time, alone. Another strategy
I'm trying is not to let my tires wear all the way down before I replace
them; I hope this reduces the incidence of flats.

I feel it is a good thing for you to have Kenny!

Colin Campbell said:

Ryan Cousineau wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(Okay, the evil answer is that I get most of my flats on the club ride,
and my friend Kenny has a great frame pump, so my micro-pump meets the
requirement to carry such a beast, while letting me rely on Kenny's pump
for any actual reinflation.)

[snip]

Quoted message said:

I feel it is a good thing for you to have Kenny!

Dear Ryan & Colin,

You [censored]!

en.wikipedia.orgCartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000Open ↗

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_McCormick

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

Ryan Cousineau wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(Okay, the evil answer is that I get most of my flats on the club ride,
and my friend Kenny has a great frame pump, so my micro-pump meets the
requirement to carry such a beast, while letting me rely on Kenny's pump
for any actual reinflation.)

[snip]

Quoted message said:

I feel it is a good thing for you to have Kenny!

Dear Ryan & Colin,

You [censored]!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartman's_Silly_Hate_Crime_2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_McCormick

As far as I know, our Kenny has never been killed. He does not mumble,
although his South African accent is detectable.

Being slightly more serious, I commute to work every day, occasionally
get flats (maybe one per year on my commute?) and do use whatever crappy
mini-pump (I draw the line at micro-pumps) I have most recently failed
to lose.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing