Handlebar selection

With Shimano STI's only the brake cable housings are routed along the bars. The shifter cable
housings go out the inner side of either shifter like old-style brake cable housings, and aren't
routed via the bars. Thus, you only need single-groove bars. Double-groove bars are for shifters
that route both sets of cable housings along the bars, like Campy Ergos, and even those can be made
to work with single-groove bars if you route both sets of cable housings along the single groove.

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I'm building a modern touring bike from an old lugged trek touring frame. I'm trying to decide on
a handlebar. I'm going to use Ultegra STI combo shifters. Does it matter if I use a single groove
handlebar, a double, or

no

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groove?

I've seen several bars I like, but they seem to be either no groove or single groove. Any input
would be appreciated.

insure-<< I'm building a modern touring bike from an old lugged trek touring frame. I'm trying to
decide on a handlebar. I'm going to use Ultegra STI combo shifters. Does it matter if I use a single
groove handlebar, a double, or no groove? >><BR><BR>

Does not matter...

Get the ones that suit you and your riding style, in other words, the ones that fit you, in all hand
positions.

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Jonathan Kaplan said:

I'm building a modern touring bike from an old lugged trek touring frame. I'm trying to decide on
a handlebar. I'm going to use Ultegra STI combo shifters. Does it matter if I use a single groove
handlebar, a double, or no groove?

I've seen several bars I like, but they seem to be either no groove or single groove. Any input
would be appreciated.

I have used aero brake levers on bars that predate aero brake levers and therefor have no grooves,
just makes it a little harder to warp the tape around the cable housing thats all

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Jonathan Kaplan said:

I'm building a modern touring bike from an old lugged trek touring frame. I'm trying to decide on
a handlebar. I'm going to use Ultegra STI combo shifters. Does it matter if I use a single groove
handlebar, a double, or

no

Quoted message said:

groove?

I've seen several bars I like, but they seem to be either no groove or single groove.

Doesn't really matter. Ideally, with STI you'd want a single groove. But, I use STI on two bikes:
One has no groove, and one has two grooves.

Art Harris

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have said:

I'm building a modern touring bike from an old lugged trek touring frame. I'm trying to decide on a
handlebar. I'm going to use Ultegra STI combo shifters. Does it matter if I use a single groove
handlebar, a double, or no groove?

I've seen several bars I like, but they seem to be either no groove or single groove. Any input
would be appreciated.

Grooves are not the important consideration.

Pick the one that is most comfortable for you to use; the one with the right drop depth, width,
angles, etc. If those are not right for you, then nothing else about the bar is relevant.

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Thanks for your assistance. I'm making progress. I found cantilever brakes that work with 700c
wheels on the frame (it was designed for 27"😉, I was able to get a deal on a closeout touring 700c
wheelset, I have a crankset on order, purchased a used Ritchie Road seatpost and used Brooks
saddle on ebay.

I found a sale on the Ultegra STI levers, and purchased my XT rear derraileur and Ultegra front
derailleur.

I hope that I can re-assemble a bicycle by the time I'm done with this project.

Jonathan Kaplan said:

I found a sale on the Ultegra STI levers, and purchased my XT rear derraileur and Ultegra front
derailleur.

You'll have difficulty using STI with just any cantilever brake.

I was told by several sources that cantilever brakes work with any road levers, but V brakes would
not. Why would the cantilevers work with shimano regular levers and not the brake/shifter combo?
Isn't the brake lever section of the STI similar to the separate brake levers?

Jonathan Kaplan said:

I'm building a modern touring bike from an old lugged trek touring frame. I'm trying to decide on
a handlebar. I'm going to use Ultegra STI combo shifters. Does it matter if I use a single groove
handlebar, a double, or no groove?

I've seen several bars I like, but they seem to be either no groove or single groove. Any input
would be appreciated.

If you are using STI, then you can only take advantage of one groove, anyway. Two-groove models are
for Ergo. Personally, I don't think the grooves are necessary, but I do use some padding under the
bar tape, which deals with the cable better, anyway.

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Jonathan Kaplan said:

I found a sale on the Ultegra STI levers, and purchased my XT rear derraileur and Ultegra front
derailleur.

Paul Kopit said:

You'll have difficulty using STI with just any cantilever brake.

But it is not impossible to get a useful setup. You need to pay attention to the transverse wire
angles. Cantilevers are often a better choice than linear brakes, which have inherently close
clearances.

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I was told by several sources that cantilever brakes work with any road levers, but V brakes would
not. Why would the cantilevers work with shimano regular levers and not the brake/shifter combo?
Isn't the brake lever section of the STI similar to the separate brake levers?

I've got Tiagra STI's, and they work fine with my Avid Short Canti's.

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Jonathan Kaplan said:

I was told by several sources that cantilever brakes work with any road levers, but V brakes would
not. Why would the cantilevers work with shimano regular levers and not the brake/shifter combo?
Isn't the brake lever section of the STI similar to the separate brake levers?

You're right. I think this stems from Shimano's Link Wire system and its copies. That's a good
design, especially for fronts, where mechanics often forget to include a safety under the transverse
of a traditional system. But the link wire comes in several lengths. Any given Link Wire may not be
the appropriate length for any given brake and lever. With separate transverse wires and carriers,
one may adjust to optimal cable travel.

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Quoted message said:

I was told by several sources that cantilever brakes work with any road levers, but V brakes
would not. Why would the cantilevers work with shimano regular levers and not the brake/shifter
combo? Isn't the brake lever section of the STI similar to the separate brake levers?

I've got Tiagra STI's, and they work fine with my Avid Short Canti's.

That's the point; those are made for use with road levers. The ones the OP has may or may not work;
worth a try. If not, get "travel agents".

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Jonathan Kaplan said:

I'm building a modern touring bike from an old lugged trek touring frame. I'm trying to decide on a
handlebar. I'm going to use Ultegra STI combo shifters. Does it matter if I use a single groove
handlebar, a double, or no groove?

I've seen several bars I like, but they seem to be either no groove or single groove. Any input
would be appreciated.

Kovie said:

With Shimano STI's only the brake cable housings are routed along the bars. The shifter cable
housings go out the inner side of either shifter like old-style brake cable housings, and aren't
routed via the bars. Thus, you only need single-groove bars. Double-groove bars are for shifters
that route both sets of cable housings along the bars, like Campy Ergos, and even those can be made
to work with single-groove bars if you route both sets of cable housings along the single groove.

TTT bars are double groove. The 2 grooves are for Campy systems, but they also have a little rubber
piece to fill in one of the grooves if you don't use Campy. I personally like the TTT ergo bend and
have been using it for years with Ultegra STI shifters.

Paul Kopit said:

Jonathan Kaplan said:

I found a sale on the Ultegra STI levers, and purchased my XT rear derraileur and Ultegra front
derailleur.

You'll have difficulty using STI with just any cantilever brake.

I don't see a problem with using cantilever brakes with Shimano road levers. I do that on my touring
bike and it works fine. The brakes are XT cantis and the pads are Koolstop salmon. You do need to
set them up properly and the instructions for that can be found at

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