Handlebar tape?

Quoted message said:

Along equally practical lines, the late Ross Thomas
described a garrotte in "The Backup Men", made from a length
of piano wire threaded through holes on two short sections
of pipe, neatly covered with plastic bicycle handlebar grips
to prevent the assassin from hurting his hands.

Is the idea of a garrotte to strangle the lucky recipient, or to
separate him from his head, or somewhere in between?

B.B. said:

I had a silly idea to use handlebar tape to add handles to a few
select tools, such as a long ratchet and my Whammer. Would anyone
happen to know how well different varieties of handlebar tape will hold
up to grease and oil?
Anyone know a good place to get a good amount of it cheaply? Even if
it's funky colors and oddball lengths. My favorite LBS just closed up
shop Friday, so that's out.

Dear B.B.,

Not to throw cold water on an obviously sensible idea with
strong commercial possibilities, but how do you propose to
secure the ends of the handlebar tape on solid metal
handles?

Along equally practical lines, the late Ross Thomas
described a garrotte in "The Backup Men", made from a length
of piano wire threaded through holes on two short sections
of pipe, neatly covered with plastic bicycle handlebar grips
to prevent the assassin from hurting his hands.

"I use this variant technique because I have thin-skinned,
delicate hands . . ."
--Sheldon Brown

Hmmm . . .

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

B.B. said:

I had a silly idea to use handlebar tape to add handles to a few
select tools, such as a long ratchet and my Whammer. Would anyone
happen to know how well different varieties of handlebar tape will
hold up to grease and oil?
Anyone know a good place to get a good amount of it cheaply? Even
if it's funky colors and oddball lengths. My favorite LBS just
closed up shop Friday, so that's out.

Dear B.B.,

Not to throw cold water on an obviously sensible idea with
strong commercial possibilities, but how do you propose to
secure the ends of the handlebar tape on solid metal
handles?

Electrical tape, of course!

Small-diameter handles will adhere poorly (especially with thick foamy/cork
tape), as the torque around the tape will twist it off.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

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Quoted message said:

Dear B.B.,

Not to throw cold water on an obviously sensible idea with
strong commercial possibilities, but how do you propose to
secure the ends of the handlebar tape on solid metal
handles?

The Esteemed Carl:

I plan to wrap the extremities of the taped section in twine and rely
on friction to keep the mass from sliding around excessively. I'll
probably cover up the twine with electrical tape to keep it from getting
abraded.
For your next internet research project search for a "constrictor
knot." Neat things, and quite handy for such tasks. While you're at
it, look for a "tauntline hitch." I used 'em to strap equipment to my
bicycle rack; and in a previous career I used them to restrain 1,200
pound carts full of laundry.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

Jim Smith said:

Quoted message said:

Along equally practical lines, the late Ross Thomas
described a garrotte in "The Backup Men", made from a length
of piano wire threaded through holes on two short sections
of pipe, neatly covered with plastic bicycle handlebar grips
to prevent the assassin from hurting his hands.

Is the idea of a garrotte to strangle the lucky recipient, or to
separate him from his head, or somewhere in between?

Dear Jim,

In fiction, it depends on whether you're reading Ross Thomas
(strangler), or Robert Ruark (head removal).

In real life, the result depends on the thickness of the
ligature employed and other unpleasant details. A thin rope
will not cut through the skin of the neck, piano-wire can do
so with considerable effort, and cheese-wire doesn't stop
unless it snags on one of your vertebrae.

Originally, the garrotte was just a Spanish method of
execution by strangling, which means compressing the neck
arteries, as opposed to choking, which means compressing the
windpipe.

To return our ostensible subject, even something as weak and
broad as plastic handlebar tape can serve as a garrotte,
since compressing the carotid arteries usually leads to loss
of consciousness in less than ten seconds, despite the
wonders of the verterbral arteries and the Circle of Willis,
which is one of those annoyingly inconsistent features of
anatomy:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9145

Whether your more professional garrotters stress-relieve
their stainless-steel wires before important assassinations
is unknown, but it couldn't--

Er, I was about to say that it couldn't hurt, which in this
case is obviously a poorly chosen phrase, but you know what
I meant.

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

Jim Smith said:

Quoted message said:

Along equally practical lines, the late Ross Thomas
described a garrotte in "The Backup Men", made from a length
of piano wire threaded through holes on two short sections
of pipe, neatly covered with plastic bicycle handlebar grips
to prevent the assassin from hurting his hands.

Is the idea of a garrotte to strangle the lucky recipient, or to
separate him from his head, or somewhere in between?

Dear Jim,

In fiction, it depends on whether you're reading Ross Thomas
(strangler), or Robert Ruark (head removal).

In real life, the result depends on the thickness of the
ligature employed and other unpleasant details. A thin rope
will not cut through the skin of the neck, piano-wire can do
so with considerable effort, and cheese-wire doesn't stop
unless it snags on one of your vertebrae.

Ah, that makes perfect sense. The idea of using wire always seemed to
me to be potentialy rather messy, but I suppose it has the advantage
of frustrating prying fingers more effectively.

Quoted message said:

Originally, the garrotte was just a Spanish method of
execution by strangling, which means compressing the neck
arteries, as opposed to choking, which means compressing the
windpipe.

I found this which seems to relate to the spanish method you mention:

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b10000/3b14000/3b14100/3b14178r.jpg

Seems a bit perverse to me.

Quoted message said:

To return our ostensible subject, even something as weak and
broad as plastic handlebar tape can serve as a garrotte,
since compressing the carotid arteries usually leads to loss
of consciousness in less than ten seconds, despite the
wonders of the verterbral arteries and the Circle of Willis,
which is one of those annoyingly inconsistent features of
anatomy:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9145

I am currious what you mean by "annoyingly inconsistent?"

Quoted message said:

Whether your more professional garrotters stress-relieve
their stainless-steel wires before important assassinations
is unknown, but it couldn't--

Er, I was about to say that it couldn't hurt, which in this
case is obviously a poorly chosen phrase, but you know what
I meant.

Yes.

B.B. said:

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[email hidden] wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Dear B.B.,

Not to throw cold water on an obviously sensible idea with
strong commercial possibilities, but how do you propose to
secure the ends of the handlebar tape on solid metal
handles?

The Esteemed Carl:

I plan to wrap the extremities of the taped section in twine and rely
on friction to keep the mass from sliding around excessively. I'll
probably cover up the twine with electrical tape to keep it from getting
abraded.
For your next internet research project search for a "constrictor
knot." Neat things, and quite handy for such tasks. While you're at
it, look for a "tauntline hitch." I used 'em to strap equipment to my
bicycle rack; and in a previous career I used them to restrain 1,200
pound carts full of laundry.

Dear B.B.,

No taunt intended, but those interested in knotty questions
or merit badges may have better luck looking for the
"tautline" hitch.

I'm a little dubious about wrapping bicycle tape around
electrical tape around knotted twine around a tool handle,
but have fun.

Given the tendency for twine to come loose, you might
consider a running line of simple knots for each loop of the
twine around the handle, instead of just a tautline at
either end.

Or snug the whole length up inside a greatly extended
hangman's noose with the loop knotted at one end around the
handle and a tautline at the other.

Carl Fogel

Jim Smith said:

Quoted message said:

Jim Smith said:

[email hidden] writes:

> Along equally practical lines, the late Ross Thomas
> described a garrotte in "The Backup Men", made from a length
> of piano wire threaded through holes on two short sections
> of pipe, neatly covered with plastic bicycle handlebar grips
> to prevent the assassin from hurting his hands.

Is the idea of a garrotte to strangle the lucky recipient, or to
separate him from his head, or somewhere in between?

Dear Jim,

In fiction, it depends on whether you're reading Ross Thomas
(strangler), or Robert Ruark (head removal).

In real life, the result depends on the thickness of the
ligature employed and other unpleasant details. A thin rope
will not cut through the skin of the neck, piano-wire can do
so with considerable effort, and cheese-wire doesn't stop
unless it snags on one of your vertebrae.

Ah, that makes perfect sense. The idea of using wire always seemed to
me to be potentialy rather messy, but I suppose it has the advantage
of frustrating prying fingers more effectively.

Quoted message said:

Originally, the garrotte was just a Spanish method of
execution by strangling, which means compressing the neck
arteries, as opposed to choking, which means compressing the
windpipe.

I found this which seems to relate to the spanish method you mention:

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b10000/3b14000/3b14100/3b14178r.jpg

Seems a bit perverse to me.

Quoted message said:

To return our ostensible subject, even something as weak and
broad as plastic handlebar tape can serve as a garrotte,
since compressing the carotid arteries usually leads to loss
of consciousness in less than ten seconds, despite the
wonders of the verterbral arteries and the Circle of Willis,
which is one of those annoyingly inconsistent features of
anatomy:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9145

I am currious what you mean by "annoyingly inconsistent?"

Quoted message said:

Whether your more professional garrotters stress-relieve
their stainless-steel wires before important assassinations
is unknown, but it couldn't--

Er, I was about to say that it couldn't hurt, which in this
case is obviously a poorly chosen phrase, but you know what
I meant.

Yes.

Dear Jim,

Our ear-lobes are not the only parts of our anatomies that
are annoyingly inconsistent in terms of their presence or
absence:

"The circle of Willis is often not complete. Maximally, only
a third of people enjoy a complete circle of Willis."

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9145

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

Jim Smith said:

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 30 May 2005 22:59:21 -0500, Jim Smith
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>[email hidden] writes:
>
>> Along equally practical lines, the late Ross Thomas
>> described a garrotte in "The Backup Men", made from a length
>> of piano wire threaded through holes on two short sections
>> of pipe, neatly covered with plastic bicycle handlebar grips
>> to prevent the assassin from hurting his hands.
>
>Is the idea of a garrotte to strangle the lucky recipient, or to
>separate him from his head, or somewhere in between?

Dear Jim,

In fiction, it depends on whether you're reading Ross Thomas
(strangler), or Robert Ruark (head removal).

In real life, the result depends on the thickness of the
ligature employed and other unpleasant details. A thin rope
will not cut through the skin of the neck, piano-wire can do
so with considerable effort, and cheese-wire doesn't stop
unless it snags on one of your vertebrae.

Ah, that makes perfect sense. The idea of using wire always seemed to
me to be potentialy rather messy, but I suppose it has the advantage
of frustrating prying fingers more effectively.

Quoted message said:

Originally, the garrotte was just a Spanish method of
execution by strangling, which means compressing the neck
arteries, as opposed to choking, which means compressing the
windpipe.

I found this which seems to relate to the spanish method you mention:

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b10000/3b14000/3b14100/3b14178r.jpg

Seems a bit perverse to me.

Quoted message said:

To return our ostensible subject, even something as weak and
broad as plastic handlebar tape can serve as a garrotte,
since compressing the carotid arteries usually leads to loss
of consciousness in less than ten seconds, despite the
wonders of the verterbral arteries and the Circle of Willis,
which is one of those annoyingly inconsistent features of
anatomy:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9145

I am currious what you mean by "annoyingly inconsistent?"

Quoted message said:

Whether your more professional garrotters stress-relieve
their stainless-steel wires before important assassinations
is unknown, but it couldn't--

Er, I was about to say that it couldn't hurt, which in this
case is obviously a poorly chosen phrase, but you know what
I meant.

Yes.

Dear Jim,

Our ear-lobes are not the only parts of our anatomies that
are annoyingly inconsistent in terms of their presence or
absence:

"The circle of Willis is often not complete. Maximally, only
a third of people enjoy a complete circle of Willis."

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9145

Aha. You might enjoy slogging through:

http://www.vh.org/adult/provider/anatomy/AnatomicVariants/AnatomyHP.html

Anatomical variation has prompted some to build tools such as these:

http://www.vh.org/adult/provider/anatomy/AnatomicVariants/Images/0216.html

Prompting some to exclaim: "What you talkin' 'bout Willis?"

Which brings us full circle.

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Quoted message said:

Dear B.B.,

No taunt intended, but those interested in knotty questions
or merit badges may have better luck looking for the
"tautline" hitch.

I'm a little dubious about wrapping bicycle tape around
electrical tape around knotted twine around a tool handle,
but have fun.

Out of order. Handlebar tape around tool. Twine around ends of
handlebar tape. Electrical tape over twine.
I actually have an old Estwing hammer with such an arrangement on it.
I don't know hoe the original handle came off, however the
tape/twine/tape arrangement has held fine for close to a decade. But
without exposure to oil. Hence the original question, what sadly has
not been answered.

Quoted message said:

Given the tendency for twine to come loose, you might
consider a running line of simple knots for each loop of the
twine around the handle, instead of just a tautline at
either end.

Or snug the whole length up inside a greatly extended
hangman's noose with the loop knotted at one end around the
handle and a tautline at the other.

That's why I chose a constrictor knot. It won't come loose.
Actually, I plan on little series of three at each end plus a square
knot to contain the loose ends. Looks better that way, though I don;'t
suppose that matters too much if I cover it in tape.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

Why don't you just wear gloves?

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Quoted message said:

Why don't you just wear gloves?

Has anyone tried this Aztec Vibe Wrap?
http://www.supergo.com/profile.cfm?LPROD_ID=26324&new=true
-tom

Quoted message said:

Not to throw cold water on an obviously sensible idea with
strong commercial possibilities, but how do you propose to
secure the ends of the handlebar tape on solid metal
handles?

How do you secure your handlebar tape to your handlebars? (Assuming you
wrap from the ends of the bars towards the stem)

--
Benjamin Lewis

Although the moon is smaller than the earth, it is farther away.

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Quoted message said:

An excellent idea - I have several tool handles I've wrapped with
inexpensive handlebar tape. When I need tape I buy whatever's on sale at
one of the LBS. I use the closed cell foam tape, the cork tape falls to
pieces very quickly.

Exactly what I needed to know. Thanks!

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

B.B. said:

Handlebar tape around tool.

Family newsgroup, buddy.

<[email hidden]> wrote about garrotting.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Carl, your attention to detail has extended far past my comfort zone.

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Bill Sornson said:

B.B. said:

[bleep] t[bleep] around [bleep]ol.

Family newsgroup, buddy.

Fixed. (:

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

You can buy adhesive-backed foam tape that is used as weatherstripping. No
string or electrical tape needed to hold it.

B.B. said:

I had a silly idea to use handlebar tape to add handles to a few
select tools, such as a long ratchet and my Whammer. Would anyone
happen to know how well different varieties of handlebar tape will hold
up to grease and oil?
Anyone know a good place to get a good amount of it cheaply? Even if
it's funky colors and oddball lengths. My favorite LBS just closed up
shop Friday, so that's out.

I think this is more appropriate, and probably easier to install:

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32183&cat=1,110,43466

In fact, I've considered it for my bike.