Hands off steering

Tom Kunich said:

Remember when that Japanese kid on Discovery had his stem come off?
Remember when he allowed himself to slowly steer out of the group
before he crashed so that everyone else got away clean?

That's precisely what George did yesterday. He couldn't steer so he sat
up and held his arms out to balance the bike and steered it out of the
group and so crashed alone. It demonstrated a level of expertise far
away from most piddling players like those here.

Too bad so many professionals nitwits here, who don't spend more time
riding than posting, couldn't see that.

You actually believe that Hincapie "steered" his bike to the side of
the road so as to not crash any other riders???

MUCH more likely that he sat up in surprise, and the bike turned to the
left as that's the way his wheel deflected after hitting the first
cobble AFTER the steerer tube broke. On a smooth road he MAY have been
able to influence the trajectory of his bike, but on the cobbles he was
at the mercy of the stones. It was sheer dumb luck that he fell to the
left and didn't crash anyone else.

Fred

Quoted message said:

Tom Kunich said:

Remember when that Japanese kid on Discovery had his stem come off?
Remember when he allowed himself to slowly steer out of the group
before he crashed so that everyone else got away clean?

That's precisely what George did yesterday. He couldn't steer so he sat
up and held his arms out to balance the bike and steered it out of the
group and so crashed alone. It demonstrated a level of expertise far
away from most piddling players like those here.

Too bad so many professionals nitwits here, who don't spend more time
riding than posting, couldn't see that.

You actually believe that Hincapie "steered" his bike to the side of
the road so as to not crash any other riders???

MUCH more likely that he sat up in surprise, and the bike turned to the
left as that's the way his wheel deflected after hitting the first
cobble AFTER the steerer tube broke. On a smooth road he MAY have been
able to influence the trajectory of his bike, but on the cobbles he was
at the mercy of the stones. It was sheer dumb luck that he fell to the
left and didn't crash anyone else.

You can see his head (behind the front riders) drop just as the steerer
snapped - quite a feat not to lose it right there and surprising that he
was able to sit up. It did look like he was trying to aim for the ditch
after that (whether for a somewhat softer landing or to get out of the
way or both) but it was probably just luck that he sort of got there
without taking anyone else down.

MagillaGorilla said:

Hincapie looked gay when he fell.

An observation:
- you mention homosexuals in pretty much every post. A different sort
might try to point out that such behavior is almost always indicative
of latent and frustrated desires...not that there's anything wrong with
that.

A question:
- when did you start awarding style points for crashing? A different
sort might point out that such concern for all things stylistic is
indicative of latent and frustrated desires.

R

Geraard Spergen said:

Quoted message said:

Tom Kunich said:

Remember when that Japanese kid on Discovery had his stem come off?
Remember when he allowed himself to slowly steer out of the group
before he crashed so that everyone else got away clean?

That's precisely what George did yesterday. He couldn't steer so he sat
up and held his arms out to balance the bike and steered it out of the
group and so crashed alone. It demonstrated a level of expertise far
away from most piddling players like those here.

Too bad so many professionals nitwits here, who don't spend more time
riding than posting, couldn't see that.

You actually believe that Hincapie "steered" his bike to the side of
the road so as to not crash any other riders???

MUCH more likely that he sat up in surprise, and the bike turned to the
left as that's the way his wheel deflected after hitting the first
cobble AFTER the steerer tube broke. On a smooth road he MAY have been
able to influence the trajectory of his bike, but on the cobbles he was
at the mercy of the stones. It was sheer dumb luck that he fell to the
left and didn't crash anyone else.

You can see his head (behind the front riders) drop just as the steerer
snapped - quite a feat not to lose it right there and surprising that he
was able to sit up. It did look like he was trying to aim for the ditch
after that (whether for a somewhat softer landing or to get out of the
way or both) but it was probably just luck that he sort of got there
without taking anyone else down.

I wouldn't confuse veering toward the ditch with steering toward the
ditch. The cobbles sent Hincapie that way, not any miraculous bike
handling skill he may or not possess.

Funny thing about the situation as Kunich describes it, you'd think
that by virtue of putting in lot's of miles that Hincapie, or pros in
general, would have some inate ability to deal with a broken steerer
tube that the typical rider wouldn't have. Nonsense. Unless Hincapie
as been specifically practicing falling off a bike with a broken
steerer tube, he's no more experienced at it than you or I would be.
15,000 miles of riding every year does NOT prepare you for your first
broken steerer tube. Hell, he barely had time to [censored] his pants before
he was in the ditch, much less have time to influence the outcome of
the crash.

Fred

On 10 Apr 2006 12:17:35 -0700, "RicodJour" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

A question:
- when did you start awarding style points for crashing? A different
sort might point out that such concern for all things stylistic is
indicative of latent and frustrated desires.

When you crash a lot, you start to appreciate the little things. That
and his latent desire to hold up cards.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Don't demonstrate just what sort of Fred you really are. Pro riders
fall off dozens of times a year. After falling for the last 13 years or
more Hincapie has a hell of a lot more "inate ability" to remain calm
and collected in a crash than some thinks-he-can. No names mentioned of
course.

Tom Kunich said:

Don't demonstrate just what sort of Fred you really are. Pro riders
fall off dozens of times a year. After falling for the last 13 years or
more Hincapie has a hell of a lot more "inate ability" to remain calm
and collected in a crash than some thinks-he-can. No names mentioned of
course.

If he's such a good rider, how come he falls off so often? BTW, where
do you get your stats that pro riders (I'm assuming you mean ALL pro
riders) fall off dozens of times per year?

You're still an idiot if you think he inately steered his bike to the
left side of the road to avoid crashing others. He had just about
enough time to think "oh, [censored]" then he hit the deck. Period. The
cobbles sent him to the left, although they could've just as easily
sent him to the right.

But, hey, if you think someone who falls off a lot is a better bike
handler than someone who falls off maybe once every couple of years
(while riding in excess of 10,000 miles a year) then so be it.

Fred

p.s. I'm not a fred. My name's not even Fred, dumbass.

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:40:02 -0400, Curtis L. Russell <[email hidden]>

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On 10 Apr 2006 12:17:35 -0700, "RicodJour" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

A question:
- when did you start awarding style points for crashing? A different
sort might point out that such concern for all things stylistic is
indicative of latent and frustrated desires.

When you crash a lot, you start to appreciate the little things. That
and his latent desire to hold up cards.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Ron

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p.s. I'm not a fred. My name's not even Fred, dumbass.

After comments like those not only did you prove you're a fred but you also
proved you're a henry.

Tom Kunich said:

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p.s. I'm not a fred. My name's not even Fred, dumbass.

After comments like those not only did you prove you're a fred but you also
proved you're a henry.

You just can't stand it, can you? Being wrong, that is.

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Funny thing about the situation as Kunich describes it, you'd think
that by virtue of putting in lot's of miles that Hincapie, or pros in
general, would have some inate ability to deal with a broken steerer
tube that the typical rider wouldn't have. Nonsense. Unless Hincapie
as been specifically practicing falling off a bike with a broken
steerer tube, he's no more experienced at it than you or I would be.
15,000 miles of riding every year does NOT prepare you for your first
broken steerer tube. Hell, he barely had time to [censored] his pants before
he was in the ditch, much less have time to influence the outcome of
the crash.

Fred

Agreed. If Hincapie had been practicing this, he'd have already
learned, the hard way, that he shouldn't have let go of the bars. I
think they ended up in his front wheel causing the endo at the end of
his crash. If he'd held on to the bars, he would have fallen on his hip
instead of his shoulder. I wonder what was running though his mind at
the time, "What the ... ?! Guess I don't need these any more".

Bret

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Tom Kunich said:

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p.s. I'm not a fred. My name's not even Fred, dumbass.

After comments like those not only did you prove you're a fred but you also
proved you're a henry.

You just can't stand it, can you? Being wrong, that is.

Nah, he just can't acknowledge it. Ever.

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tanx,
Howard

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Boys must whistle, girls must sing

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Bret said:

Quoted message said:

Funny thing about the situation as Kunich describes it, you'd think
that by virtue of putting in lot's of miles that Hincapie, or pros in
general, would have some inate ability to deal with a broken steerer
tube that the typical rider wouldn't have. Nonsense. Unless Hincapie
as been specifically practicing falling off a bike with a broken
steerer tube, he's no more experienced at it than you or I would be.
15,000 miles of riding every year does NOT prepare you for your first
broken steerer tube. Hell, he barely had time to [censored] his pants before
he was in the ditch, much less have time to influence the outcome of
the crash.

Fred

Agreed. If Hincapie had been practicing this, he'd have already
learned, the hard way, that he shouldn't have let go of the bars. I
think they ended up in his front wheel causing the endo at the end of
his crash. If he'd held on to the bars, he would have fallen on his hip
instead of his shoulder. I wonder what was running though his mind at
the time, "What the ... ?! Guess I don't need these any more".

Bret

If I remember, he had his hands on the tops when it broke, so it could be
that the bars went rocketing away from him before he had a chance to grab on to
'em.

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tanx,
Howard

Grandma Smith said a curious thing
Boys must whistle, girls must sing

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