Hanging Basket

Tom Crispin wrote on 11/07/2006 07:23 +0100:

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I agree, throw the helmet away or it might look like he sometimes wears
it ;-)

She's a girl.

I was using "he" in the modern gender neutral sense ;-^)

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

PhilD said:

I think a bigger concern is the boy on the left carrying his glasses in
his mouth.

I think that's a strap from his rucksack.

Graeme

P said:

Regardless of your view on helmets, there are only two places for them; on a
head, or left at home.

Not so. Last time I used my lid was on the MTB trails at Glen Tress.
Lots of overhanging branches and "unplanned dismount" potential
(especially as I'm not much of an MTBer) so I wanted to wear my hat for
the sort of low speed, no other vehicles graze-saving I think I can
reasonably expect of it.

But cycling back to my brother's house when we'd done I certainly didn't
want to wear the damn thing, with mucho heat and sweat about by then.
Pannier was too small/full, didn't have a rack bungy, so I clipped it
over the bars. Nobody died.

Pete.
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Tony Raven said the following on 11/07/2006 09:11:

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Remember many schools have imposed mandatory helmet rules on their pupils.

Do they have a right to do that? Without getting into the rights and
wrongs of helmet-wearing, surely what a child does outside the school
premises is up to the parent.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:24:18 +0100 someone who may be Paul Boyd
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Remember many schools have imposed mandatory helmet rules on their pupils.

Do they have a right to do that? Without getting into the rights and
wrongs of helmet-wearing, surely what a child does outside the school
premises is up to the parent.

That is debatable. However in New Britain petty officials are being
encouraged to take over more and more of out lives and this is just
one small aspect of that process.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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(') said:

You forgot the third. Dangling on the bars so they it can be put on as
they get close to keep the helmet zealots at the school gate happy.
Remember many schools have imposed mandatory helmet rules on their
pupils.

And that which gives them the power to do so is?

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not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
-- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair

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P wrote:

..so I clipped it over the bars. Nobody died.

this time.

Paul Boyd said:

Tony Raven said the following on 11/07/2006 09:11:

Quoted message said:

Remember many schools have imposed mandatory helmet rules on their
pupils.

Do they have a right to do that? Without getting into the rights and
wrongs of helmet-wearing, surely what a child does outside the school
premises is up to the parent.

When I asked my school that very question and if they do have that right
where it is stated, they failed to answer it and the mandatory policy
evaporated.

I don't think they do have any right to dictate how a child gets to school.

--chris

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:56:01 +0100, Rob Morley <[email hidden]>

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What helmet?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/error404/40a.jpg

The one indicated by her shadow....

Don't let the best be the enemy of the good enuf.

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Paul Boyd said:

Tony Raven said the following on 11/07/2006 09:11:

Quoted message said:

Remember many schools have imposed mandatory helmet rules on their
pupils.

Do they have a right to do that? Without getting into the rights and
wrongs of helmet-wearing, surely what a child does outside the school
premises is up to the parent.

When I asked my school that very question and if they do have that right
where it is stated, they failed to answer it and the mandatory policy
evaporated.

I don't think they do have any right to dictate how a child gets to

school.

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--chris

I guess that they don't. But they can insist that the child does not ride
the cycle on school property unless they are dressed in a manner that the
school approves.

DaveB

Paul Boyd said:

Tony Raven said the following on 11/07/2006 09:11:

Quoted message said:

Remember many schools have imposed mandatory helmet rules on their pupils.

Do they have a right to do that? Without getting into the rights and
wrongs of helmet-wearing, surely what a child does outside the school
premises is up to the parent.

Regrettably many schools do try it on.
When questioned they usually fall back on their right to allow (or not allow)
cycles on to their premises.
Some issue permits for this.
To obtain a permit the cyclist may need to agree to wear a helmet.

One school I came across recently has a 'hemet-monitor' who stands at the
school gate and reports riders arriving without their lids.
Permits are then cancelled.

There doesn't seem to be one who checks seat belt wearing by the staff.

John B

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..so I clipped it over the bars. Nobody died.

this time.

He wears sandals, not boots, when he goes hill walking too. The man
obviously has a death wish.

--
Contains traces of irony.

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What helmet?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/error404/40a.jpg

The one indicated by her shadow....

What shadow?

<http://www.flickr.com/photos/86862441@N00/187196632/>

Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What helmet?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/error404/40a.jpg

The one indicated by her shadow....

What shadow?

<http://www.flickr.com/photos/86862441@N00/187196632/>

That is scary.
Just what powers does this young lady hold to be shadowless on such a
sunny day?

John B

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:20:50 +0100 someone who may be Simon Brooke
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You forgot the third. Dangling on the bars so they it can be put on as
they get close to keep the helmet zealots at the school gate happy.
Remember many schools have imposed mandatory helmet rules on their
pupils.

And that which gives them the power to do so is?

Helmet zealots assume that they can do anything they like. After all
they are "saving children's lives". "If just one life is saved."
Anyone who disagrees with the zealot is at best misinformed and at
worst a child molester, at least according to the zealot.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:54:36 +0100 someone who may be "Dave"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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I guess that they don't. But they can insist that the child does not ride
the cycle on school property unless they are dressed in a manner that the
school approves.

Can they?

Provided that the child is complying with any uniform requirement I
don't see that the school can legally pick on some children just
because of the method of transport they are using. I have yet to
hear of a school uniform that includes a helmet.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

David Hansen said:

Provided that the child is complying with any uniform requirement I
don't see that the school can legally pick on some children just
because of the method of transport they are using.

But if you're *In Charge* then the basic assumption is that what is
merely /legal/ is not necessarily an issue... ;-/

Pete.
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John B said the following on 11/07/2006 11:06:

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Regrettably many schools do try it on.
When questioned they usually fall back on their right to allow (or not allow)
cycles on to their premises.
Some issue permits for this.
To obtain a permit the cyclist may need to agree to wear a helmet.

You need a permit to cycle to school? That's appalling - surely, given
the general state of children's health, the permits should be for those
who are driven to school. I thought "we" were supposed to be
encouraging a healthier lifestyle, not restricting it by having to have
a permit. I can understand the school's insistence on wearing a helmet
on the premises, sort of. (Doesn't mean I necessarily agree or disagree
though!)

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There doesn't seem to be one who checks seat belt wearing by the staff.

I bet there isn't one who checks on appalling driving and parking by
many parents either!

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Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

David Hansen said the following on 11/07/2006 12:14:

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Provided that the child is complying with any uniform requirement I
don't see that the school can legally pick on some children just
because of the method of transport they are using.

"pick on" - that's exactly what they're doing. I thought singling out
certain groups of people for different treatment wasn't politically
correct these days :-)

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Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Paul Boyd said:

"pick on" - that's exactly what they're doing. I thought singling out
certain groups of people for different treatment wasn't politically
correct these days :-)

But you have a conflict of PC interest. It isn't PC to have Young
People(TM) ride around without helmets either, and since we've got to
Think Of The Children (continued at http://www.p94.org)

Pete.
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