Hanging Basket

David Hansen wrote on 11/07/2006 09:41 +0100:

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:24:18 +0100 someone who may be Paul Boyd
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Remember many schools have imposed mandatory helmet rules on their pupils.

Do they have a right to do that? Without getting into the rights and
wrongs of helmet-wearing, surely what a child does outside the school
premises is up to the parent.

That is debatable. However in New Britain petty officials are being
encouraged to take over more and more of out lives and this is just
one small aspect of that process.

Especially if Fat Eric and the Cookie Monster have their way when they
will definitely be responsible for what they do after leaving school.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Paul Boyd wrote on 11/07/2006 12:42 +0100:

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David Hansen said the following on 11/07/2006 12:14:

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Provided that the child is complying with any uniform requirement I
don't see that the school can legally pick on some children just
because of the method of transport they are using.

"pick on" - that's exactly what they're doing. I thought singling out
certain groups of people for different treatment wasn't politically
correct these days :-)

Not true. As certain groups (race, gender, gender preference, religion,
age etc) have been removed from being able to be singled out without
repercussions, new groups have been singled out by the medya for attack,
"lycra louts" being a popular one.

Nothing sells newspapers like a good lynching.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Paul Boyd wrote on 11/07/2006 12:38 +0100:

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I bet there isn't one who checks on appalling driving and parking by
many parents either!

I think you have to accept that amongst the spectrum of head teachers
out there, some of them will be JNugent and S Firth clones who will use
any excuse to get back at cyclists for some perceived slight.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Tony Raven said:

P wrote on 10/07/2006 23:15 +0100:

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Regardless of your view on helmets, there are only two places for
them; on a head, or left at home. Showing one being dangled from a
bike encourages other children to do it, and there is more potential
for it to get tangled up or cause a distraction.

You forgot the third. Dangling on the bars so they it can be put on
as they get close to keep the helmet zealots at the school gate happy.
Remember many schools have imposed mandatory helmet rules on their
pupils.

Or indeed dangling on the bars so they can keep the leader of the
opposition's hounding press gang happy.

A

David Hansen said:

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I guess that they don't. But they can insist that the child does not
ride the cycle on school property unless they are dressed in a
manner that the school approves.

Can they?

Provided that the child is complying with any uniform requirement I
don't see that the school can legally pick on some children just
because of the method of transport they are using. I have yet to
hear of a school uniform that includes a helmet.

'tis a shame. How many people here suffered a minor head injury on school
premises?

A

David Hansen said:

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:20:50 +0100 someone who may be Simon Brooke
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You forgot the third. Dangling on the bars so they it can be put
on as they get close to keep the helmet zealots at the school gate
happy. Remember many schools have imposed mandatory helmet rules on
their pupils.

And that which gives them the power to do so is?

Helmet zealots assume that they can do anything they like. After all
they are "saving children's lives". "If just one life is saved."
Anyone who disagrees with the zealot is at best misinformed and at
worst a child molester, at least according to the zealot.

As insinuated in the uk.transport cross-posted thread against Tom Crispin
when he was talking about the number of children cycling to his school.

A

Mark Thompson said:

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..so I clipped it over the bars. Nobody died.

this time.

He wears sandals, not boots, when he goes hill walking too. The man
obviously has a death wish.

I know. I got gangrene after a scratch I incurred while hill-walking in
sandals. Fortunately I survived, although I had to have 5 limbs amputated.

A

John B said:

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> What helmet?
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/error404/40a.jpg

The one indicated by her shadow....

What shadow?

<http://www.flickr.com/photos/86862441@N00/187196632/>

That is scary.
Just what powers does this young lady hold to be shadowless on such a
sunny day?

Also, what powers does Mark Thompson hold to be doing so much photoshopping
on such a sunny day? 😉

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'tis a shame. How many people here suffered a minor head injury on school
premises?

Compulsory helmets for playing hockey, I say..

cheers,
clive

Clive George said the following on 11/07/2006 14:52:

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Compulsory helmets for playing hockey, I say..

....and conkers - just imagine the injury potential there!!!

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Paul Boyd
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:42:10 +0100 someone who may be Paul Boyd
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"pick on" - that's exactly what they're doing.

I'm glad you liked the phrase.

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I thought singling out
certain groups of people for different treatment wasn't politically
correct these days :-)

It depends who the group is. If it is a group considered to be
small and powerless then this is exactly the sort of group bullies
like to pick on. That is why none of the bullies are advocating
pedestrian and car occupant helmets.

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David Hansen, Edinburgh
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:38:58 +0100 someone who may be Paul Boyd
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You need a permit to cycle to school? That's appalling - surely, given
the general state of children's health, the permits should be for those
who are driven to school.

That is a very good idea, which is why the petty officials will
never countenance it.

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David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:46:12 +0100 someone who may be "Ambrose
Nankivell" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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Anyone who disagrees with the zealot is at best misinformed and at
worst a child molester, at least according to the zealot.

As insinuated in the uk.transport cross-posted thread against Tom Crispin
when he was talking about the number of children cycling to his school.

Indeed. I wasn't thinking of that example, but it is a very good
one.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Clive George said:

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'tis a shame. How many people here suffered a minor head injury on school
premises?

Compulsory helmets for playing hockey, I say..

Do you reckon I can sue my old school for the trauma caused by ducking the
flying blackboard rubber when talking in class?
Had I been forced to wear a helmet I could have just smiled back and let it
bounce off my head.

John B

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..so I clipped it over the bars. Nobody died.

this time.

He wears sandals, not boots, when he goes hill walking too. The man
obviously has a death wish.

I think you are exaggerating!

I don't know about a death wish, but if he is happy with the risk he is
taking that's fine - not everyone assesses risk in the same way though. I
may ride with something dangling from my handle bars from time to time
because the risk is small, but if my kids done the same I would tell them
not too because although the risk of an accident is small I wouldn't want to
see the result. I know you shouldn't wrap them in cotton wool but....

"Ambrose Nankivell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Mark Thompson said:

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> ..so I clipped it over the bars. Nobody died.

this time.

He wears sandals, not boots, when he goes hill walking too. The man
obviously has a death wish.

I know. I got gangrene after a scratch I incurred while hill-walking in
sandals. Fortunately I survived, although I had to have 5 limbs amputated.

A

I know scratches can be dangerous - a local man scratched himself on a
building site and 10 days later he was dead from blood poisoning as a result
of the infection.

John B said the following on 11/07/2006 15:19:

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Do you reckon I can sue my old school for the trauma caused by ducking the
flying blackboard rubber when talking in class?

Shhh - you're not allowed to call it a blackboard rubber any more!

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Paul Boyd
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erics said:

I think you are exaggerating!

I think you need to check the wiring on your irony-o-meter, or replace
it with a non US version...

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I don't know about a death wish, but if he is happy with the risk he is
taking that's fine - not everyone assesses risk in the same way though. I
may ride with something dangling from my handle bars from time to time
because the risk is small, but if my kids done the same I would tell them
not too because although the risk of an accident is small I wouldn't want to
see the result. I know you shouldn't wrap them in cotton wool but....

It will depend a lot on the bike and what is hung from the bars and also
the speed while travelling that way. Otherwise if you want to remove
the chances of a not-particularly risky accident, better ban them from
MTBing in the rough at all, which is rather more likely IMHO to cause a
graze than hanging a lid off your bars.

Having said that, it certainly isn't a bad idea to say why hanging stuff
off the bars /can/ be a bad idea (and for those with an anecdote of how
they got really hurt, my mum has been trundling about with a string bag
dangling from the bars on her wee wheel shopper for a good 50 years now
without any upset I'm aware of: it's just silly to be absolute about it).

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:19:46 +0100 someone who may be John B
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Do you reckon I can sue my old school for the trauma caused by ducking the
flying blackboard rubber when talking in class?
Had I been forced to wear a helmet I could have just smiled back and let it
bounce off my head.

What speed do the things travel at when thrown, what is their mass?
Are helmets able to absorb all the energy?

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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erics said:

I think you are exaggerating!

I think you need to check the wiring on your irony-o-meter, or replace it
with a non US version...

Mine is in tact, but you may wish to check yours.