he's got guile

John Tezel said:

Phil Liggett commenting on what a silly move that was, and
Paul Sherwin saying it must be his inexperience showing.

Hmm, but immediately called right by Danny Nelissen (Dutch
language Eurosport comm.).

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Hmm, but immediately called right by Danny Nelissen (Dutch
language Eurosport comm.).

And Jones/Maloney:

16:27 CEST 198km/19km to go
The Alessio/De Nardi chase has brought back Cunego's group to 2'50, which means they trail the leader Aebersold by 6'00. Wegmann is still working hard in the chase group, and has just blown himself up completely. He'll probably get his reward in the next few days. No Saeco riders are going to chase him for the mountains jersey.

"John Tezel" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

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Gerolsteiner's Fabian Wegmann is getting closer to
finishing in Milan with the green mountains jersey on his
shoulders. The 23 year old picked up more valuable
climber's points in yesterday's 16th stage, and now leads
Damiano Cunego by 45 points to 38. Cunego probably has a
different jersey in mind in Milan, and Wegmann did his
green jersey chances no harm by helping Saeco's Eddy
Mazzoleni and Andrea Tonti pull Cunego up to the front of
the race in the finale yesterday. He may find that favour
returned in the coming days. "Fabian is my friend. I will
help him keep the jersey until Milan," race leader Cunego
was quoted by DPA as saying.

Nice godfather talk from the boy, but Cunego is in no
position to do that (help Wegmann). Just how is he supposed
to go about it? Tow Wegmann up the first climbs and then
take off in the finale? If Saeco's cards remain with Cunego,
he'll have to put keep putting time into the Ukrainians,
just to play it safe. Given the profiles of the remaining
stages, that pretty much precludes final KOM honors for
anyone but him.

Wegmann may *physically* keep the jersey, though (maybe
that's what sly ole Cunego meant anyway).

Alexander

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Fabian Wegmann was in the breakaway at the Giro yesterday,
and after picking up some easy mountain points, was caught
by Cunego and 2 other Saeco riders. For some reason he
worked to carry them up a mountain pass before cracking,
with Phil Liggett commenting on what a silly move that
was, and Paul Sherwin saying it must be his inexperience
showing.

Turns out he knew what he was doing... (from
cyclingnews.com)

Gerolsteiner's Fabian Wegmann is getting closer to
finishing in Milan with the green mountains jersey on his
shoulders. The 23 year old picked up more valuable
climber's points in yesterday's 16th stage, and now leads
Damiano Cunego by 45 points to 38. Cunego probably has a
different jersey in mind in Milan, and Wegmann did his
green jersey chances no harm by helping Saeco's Eddy
Mazzoleni and Andrea Tonti pull Cunego up to the front of
the race in the finale yesterday. He may find that favour
returned in the coming days. "Fabian is my friend. I will
help him keep the jersey until Milan," race leader Cunego
was quoted by DPA as saying.

The problem is that Cunego might take the jersey himself,
even tough he has no intention to do it. And by working,
Wegmann ensured that Cunego got another 10 points at the
last mountain of the day, and he is now only 7 points behind
Wegmann, and Cunego might very well win a few more high
points mountains, in his hunt for GC glory.

I question if Wegmann has the climbing legs to take point at
climbs like Gavia and Mortirolo. If not, then I think the
green jersey will be Cunegos

Alexander Lackner said:

Nice godfather talk from the boy, but Cunego is in no
position to do that (help Wegmann). Just how is he
supposed to go about it? Tow Wegmann up the first climbs
and then take off in the finale? If Saeco's cards remain
with Cunego, he'll have to put keep putting time into the
Ukrainians, just to play it safe. Given the profiles of
the remaining stages, that pretty much precludes final KOM
honors for anyone but him.

I think he means that he won't ask Saeco to chase down a
break with Wegmann in it until the last climb. Jalabert
didn't win his last mountain jersey by taking points on
mountain top finishes either.

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"John Tezel" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

Quoted message said:

Gerolsteiner's Fabian Wegmann is getting closer to
finishing in Milan with the green mountains jersey on
his shoulders. The 23 year old picked up more valuable
climber's points in yesterday's 16th stage, and now
leads Damiano Cunego by 45 points to 38. Cunego probably
has a different jersey in mind in Milan, and Wegmann did
his green jersey chances no harm by helping Saeco's Eddy
Mazzoleni and Andrea Tonti pull Cunego up to the front
of the race in the finale yesterday. He may find that
favour returned in the coming days. "Fabian is my
friend. I will help him keep the jersey until Milan,"
race leader Cunego was quoted by DPA as saying.

Nice godfather talk from the boy, but Cunego is in no
position to do that (help Wegmann). Just how is he
supposed to go about it?

Send a teammate into the break with him. He will serve
himself, Simoni and Wegmann simultaneously.

-Sonarrat.

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Alexander Lackner said:

Nice godfather talk from the boy, but Cunego is in no
position to do that (help Wegmann). Just how is he
supposed to go about it? Tow Wegmann up the first climbs
and then take off in the finale? If Saeco's cards remain
with Cunego, he'll have to put keep putting time into
the Ukrainians, just to play it safe. Given the profiles
of the remaining stages, that pretty much precludes
final KOM honors for anyone but him.

I think he means that he won't ask Saeco to chase down a
break with

Wegmann

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in it until the last climb. Jalabert didn't win his last
mountain jersey

by

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taking points on mountain top finishes either.

but now, mountain top finishes award double KOM points.
Stage 18 has one.

I think that if the anti-Saeco front wants to try something
at all, true hostilities may well develop that don't confine
themselves to the waning moments of the respective stages
(look where Cunego attacked yesterday). The ensuing scenario
would likely crush Wegmann's prospects. It just seems such a
romantic consideration for the (potential) circumstances.

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but now, mountain top finishes award double KOM points.
Stage 18 has one.

Is this true of the Giro? or was this just done by ASO
for the Tour?

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Fabian Wegmann was in the breakaway at the Giro yesterday,
and after picking up some easy mountain points, was caught
by Cunego and 2 other Saeco riders. For some reason he
worked to carry them up a mountain pass before cracking,
with Phil Liggett commenting on what a silly move that
was, and Paul Sherwin saying it must be his inexperience
showing.

Was that Paul or Phil? I thought it was only Phil with the
silly remarks.

Perhaps we should ask if Phil is getting too faint to
comment. He's been saying a few things each day that makes
one wonder if he's just slowing down.

Bruce

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Bruce Frech said:

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Fabian Wegmann was in the breakaway at the Giro
yesterday, and after picking up some easy mountain
points, was caught by Cunego and 2 other Saeco riders.
For some reason he worked to carry them up a mountain
pass before cracking, with Phil Liggett commenting on
what a silly move that was, and Paul Sherwin saying it
must be his inexperience showing.

Was that Paul or Phil? I thought it was only Phil with the
silly remarks.

Perhaps we should ask if Phil is getting too faint to
comment. He's been saying a few things each day that makes
one wonder if he's just slowing down.

Who could take his place? Bob Roll is a funny guy, but to
fill an hour and a half every day with just one other
person, covering a kind of event where maybe a half-dozen
important things happen on the way to the finish line in an
average day, Phil & Paul are unparalleled. I can think of a
few current riders who might make for great English-language
commentators though, like Robbie McEwen, Magnus Backstedt,
Bobby Julich...

Paul slipped and said "Alessandro Popovych" yesterday. He's
not perfect either. And the rest of the family always knows
I'm watching a race when they hear that distinctive South
African accent...

-Sonarrat.

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Paul slipped and said "Alessandro Popovych" yesterday.
He's not perfect either. And the rest of the family always
knows I'm watching a race when they hear that distinctive
South African accent...

He must have picked it up on a trip, then.

On 05/26/2004 09:14 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Sonarrat"

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And the rest of the family always knows I'm watching a
race when they hear that distinctive South African
accent...

How would Paul pick up a South African accent growing up in
England and Kenya?

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Steven L. Sheffield said:

On 05/26/2004 09:14 PM, in article sonarrat-
[email hidden], "Sonarrat"

Quoted message said:

And the rest of the family always knows I'm watching a
race when they hear that distinctive South African
accent...

How would Paul pick up a South African accent growing up
in England and Kenya?

I don't know, but it's either that or a particularly sing-
songy English accent with some very unusual inflections.
Kenya... I don't know what an English accent picked up there
would sound like.

Oh dear, I'm in another linguistical trap.

-Sonarrat.

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Quoted message said:

but now, mountain top finishes award double KOM points.
Stage 18 has

one.

Quoted message said:

Is this true of the Giro? or was this just done by ASO for
the Tour?

you're right, that may be Tour only. Anybody know for sure?
if this clause does not apply to the Giro, it would increase
Wegmann's chances ever so slightly.

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Perhaps we should ask if Phil is getting too faint to
comment. He's been saying a few things each day that makes
one wonder if he's just slowing down.

Don't touch the third rail of cycling!

Seriously, I could not imagine cycling coverage without him.
Let him confuse some names or miss interpret the fricken KOM
'chess game', who cares? When push comes to shove he has a
genuine love of the sport and a smooth deliver without an
attitude. Case closed.

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posted by Steven L. Sheff How would Paul pick up a South African accent growing up inEngland and Kenya?

Probably from his time managing a diamond mine there.😎

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Quoted message said:

Perhaps we should ask if Phil is getting too faint to
comment. He's been saying a few things each day that
makes one wonder if he's just slowing down.

Don't touch the third rail of cycling!

Seriously, I could not imagine cycling coverage without
him. Let him confuse some names or miss interpret the
fricken KOM 'chess game', who cares? When push comes to
shove he has a genuine love of the sport and a smooth
deliver without an attitude. Case closed.

Yeah, fer chrissake, look how forgiving football fans are
of John Madden and he's daft as a badger living in a pile
of manure.

derby said:

Quoted message said:

posted by Steven L. Sheff How would Paul pick up a
South African accent growing up inEngland and Kenya?

Probably from his time managing a diamond mine there.😎

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hate them! Don't you just hate them too? Well I do.

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Quoted message said:

From: "TM" [email hidden] Date: 5/27/2004 10:18 AM Eastern

Quoted message said:

Don't touch the third rail of cycling!

Seriously, I could not imagine cycling coverage without
him. Let him confuse some names or miss interpret the
fricken KOM 'chess game', who cares? When push comes to
shove he has a genuine love of the sport and a smooth
deliver without an attitude. Case closed.

I Hope it doesn't happen anytime soon. Our version of Phil
here in New
England, [censored] Ring retired last year and it's just amazing
what a hole

that

Quoted message said:

actually leaves. Alan Atwood, and Verheul do a good job,
but they

can't/don't

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do as many races, and [censored]'s stories and knowledge are
incredible and

pretty

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much irreplaceable. Bill C

I just read my post again and I have come to the conclusion
that I am too faint to post! Misinterpret as miss interpret
and delivery as deliver? Have I just quit caring?